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12-14-2012, 11:03 AM #1
Sanchez a Tiger 5 yrs 80M
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Source confirms: #Tigers in agreement with Anibal Sanchez - five years, $80 million. First reported by @BNightengale.
1h Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Source: #Cubs increase five-year offer to Anibal Sanchez to $77.5M. #Tigers at $75M. Negotiations continue.
12-14-2012, 11:05 AM #2
IMO - it's just too much money for this guy. I have a gut feeling the Tigers will be very sorry for this signing. I see Bobby Higginson written all over it.we only part to meet again vt BRIAN BLUHM vt
12-14-2012, 11:14 AM #3
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12-14-2012, 11:17 AM #5MotownSports Fan
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Cubs fans bitching about that dirty Sanchez. Your move now Texas and LAA.....we have the best rotation and a murderous top five in our line up. Never thought I'd see the Yankees and BosSox become so...irrelevant.
12-14-2012, 11:17 AM #6
A little "back of the envelope" analysis using a couple of examples from this year. This isn't intended to be comprehensive, as I have to do some real work today.
WAR (FanGraphs) Avg of last 3 seasons:
FA salaries (/yr):
It seems pretty reasonable in terms of $/WAR IMO.It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. -Carl Sagan http://th07.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/...yx-d41sg12.png
12-14-2012, 11:23 AM #7"Well that's it - you see what you want to see and you hear what you want to hear" - Rock Man
12-14-2012, 11:24 AM #8
yes it was overpay in many ways but def worth the risk and now we can trade porcello for another needed part for a world series wins this time around ie trade for a slick fielding shortshop and then we a re set...porcello has hit a wall and best to trade now before other teams start to see that he has reached his max potential...smiley will be fine as #5 and long man in the playoffs
12-14-2012, 11:24 AM #9
Henning tweeted that this seals Porcello's fate to be traded !!
12-14-2012, 11:25 AM #10
Decent signing considering it eliminates the concern over who he was traded for initially plus frees up the ability to trade Porcello or Smyly for another piece.
Good move and I approve.VT Sing for absolution.
12-14-2012, 11:30 AM #11
Great move. I don't think he'll end up being overpaid at all.
12-14-2012, 11:33 AM #12
I like it. I think Anibal is going to be better than expected. In today's market pretty much anything under a 4 ERA with a 1.2/1.3 WHIP will make it worth it."And that is part of the larger pattern of the appeal of a new online collectivism that is nothing less than a resurgence of the idea that the collective is all-wise, that it is desirable to have influence concentrated in a bottleneck that can channel the collective with the most verity and force."
12-14-2012, 11:36 AM #13
His deal looks like a steal in comparison to what Greinke got. And his production is not far off.
12-14-2012, 11:37 AM #14
Keeping him in Dtroit is the only way to make the trade for him justified. Giving up Turner for Omar doesn't cut it.
But, I do worry about how all these signings are going to affect a Verlander extension. I sure wish we could have extended him for several years before all this money started getting thrown around.
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12-14-2012, 11:39 AM #16MotownSports Fan
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12-14-2012, 11:41 AM #18"And that is part of the larger pattern of the appeal of a new online collectivism that is nothing less than a resurgence of the idea that the collective is all-wise, that it is desirable to have influence concentrated in a bottleneck that can channel the collective with the most verity and force."
12-14-2012, 11:41 AM #19
Compared to the Grienke signing, this is a huge value. OTOH, everything is a huge value compared to the Grienke signing.All Time AAT: Steve Sparks
12-14-2012, 11:44 AM #20"And that is part of the larger pattern of the appeal of a new online collectivism that is nothing less than a resurgence of the idea that the collective is all-wise, that it is desirable to have influence concentrated in a bottleneck that can channel the collective with the most verity and force."
12-14-2012, 11:45 AM #21
so if rick gets traded torii should ask for his money backAAT 2009 Danny Worth
AAT 2013 Tommy Brookens
12-14-2012, 11:46 AM #22
I'm not the biggest Porcello fan, but I think I'd prefer to keep him and have Smyly out of the pen, at least for one more year.
Long term, with all this money going out, I wonder if having Miggy and Verlander here long term is a realistic possibility. For now, i'm going to enjoy it though.VT
12-14-2012, 11:46 AM #23
I hope they keep Porcello for now unless they get a really good return. While I like Smyly more, the rotation is more than good enough with Porcello at #5 at Smyly starting off in Toledo if need be.
We've talked about the Tigers' lack of rotation depth - well now they have it. If everyone is healthy and pitching well by the July deadline, then the trade haul could be more appealing.
Bottom line, I hope they don't trade him simply to trade him.2015 AAT: Hernán Pérez #26
12-14-2012, 11:47 AM #24
I would hope DD would get something good in return for Porcello and not simply a "cut our losses" type of trade. As the saying goes, you can never have too much pitching. If we aren't getting good value in return, I'd like to see them keep Porcello.
1. He's still young! The kid is only 23 years old. He showed improvement last season and could still be a top 3 rotation guy filling a 4th or 5th rotation spot. Nice problem to have!
2. As we've seen in past seasons, injuries happen every year and it's the teams with depth that can ride those waves and survive. I live in Texas and can't help but follow the Rangers. Last season, fans were saying that they needed to trade Scott Feldman because they had too many starters. By June, Neftali Feliz and Colby Lewis were both on the 60 day DL and Feldman was their #4 guy.
I guess I'm saying, I'm fine if he gets traded, but only if we get good value in return. DD has the leverage in this thing. Especially with the starting pitching that remains out there.
12-14-2012, 11:50 AM #25
This might be the best pitching rotation we'll ever see in Detroit.
12-14-2012, 11:51 AM #26
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12-14-2012, 11:53 AM #29
What WOULD be good value for a 23 year old pitcher like Porcello?
What would you take?
What position would you try and shore up? Another pitching position?
12-14-2012, 11:55 AM #30
I don't think we will, I'm just making a guess about what it would take.
12-14-2012, 11:56 AM #31
Does a " What to do with Porcello/Smyly " thread need to be startedAAT 2009 Danny Worth
AAT 2013 Tommy Brookens
12-14-2012, 12:04 PM #32
This makes me feel a whole lot better about last season's trade.All praise to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
12-14-2012, 12:04 PM #33
I don't like that it's 5 years, but the money is fair.Kobernoooooous
12-14-2012, 12:13 PM #34
I like this signing, as I believe Sanchez to be a good pitcher. It's possible, it seems to me, that if this $15 mil is the last major chunk of cash to be spent, that it might have been better spent on one more better than average OF or a mediocre hitting, good fielding SS. I point that out as a possibility, not as an criticism, since I'm not all that sure of it myself, plus in 10 minutes of searching, I don't have any idea who that SS would be.
Re: Porcello - I would be far more likely to want to keep Porcello if we had signed a good to very good fielder at SS.
As it is, I would be inclined to want to get the best value for him I could in a trade, since I think he's probably more valuable to another team. Note that this does not involve "giving up on him" or "dumping him" or "thinking he sucks", but thinking that the Tigers haven't provided the fielding support a groundball inducing pitcher like him requires to be effective. All that said - I would not give him away.
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12-14-2012, 12:40 PM #39
I really didn't think he wanted to be in Detroit, or the AL for that matter, but I'm glad he's signed. Very nice, as long as he stays healthy.2014 AAT: Joba Chamberlin
12-14-2012, 12:58 PM #40
I really like the fact that the Tigers seem to be able to get anyone they want at the moment.
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