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Thread: How is WAR calculated?
12-15-2012, 11:48 AM #41
Examining the records of first and even second seasons of MLB expansion teams since 1960 is also interesting with regard to "replacement player" theories, although I would presume those teams would theoretically not perform as well as a roster of MLB "replacement" players. There are some "outlier" performances though, such as the 3rd place finish in the 10 team AL, of the Angels in just their second season, in 1962.It's pronounced Canada, and no, I haven't.
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12-15-2012, 10:28 PM #45
Look up at Lee's first reply...
(8) positional adjustment
1) The use of defensive position and...
2) The extent of ballpark factor in WAR calculation.
That is it, Lee addressed both issues and I have a better understanding why those factors are included and what WAR is best suited for. Not to be rude, but your responses had little to nothing to do with what my concern over WAR was about.
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12-15-2012, 10:59 PM #46
For example, in 2010 Andre Torres had a WAR of 6.9 which was good enough for 7th overall while Cabrera was #14...no doubt Torres had a superb year but his OPS was only .823. Was his CF defense so great that it should overshadow Cabrera's 1.046 OPS and sub-par 1B defense? Or in 2009 when Ben Zobrist was #2 in WAR beating out the likes of Joe Mauer (who had a higher OPS) because he had an abnormally high defensive rating that year (22 runs above average) which he has never come close to replicating. Jacoby Ellsbury and Dustin Pedroia are similar examples in regards to 2011...both had abnormally high fielding runs above average that year which were a far cry from their 'typical' defensive years. I get these a very specific and limited examples, but they are scenarios where I personally don't think the player was quite as good as their WAR would suggest.
12-15-2012, 11:32 PM #47
Best part of this thread is referring to "war; what is it good for; absolutely nothin" as a Seinfeld quote.Trade Ajax
12-16-2012, 12:05 AM #48
12-16-2012, 12:08 AM #49
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12-16-2012, 12:22 AM #50
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12-16-2012, 12:56 PM #53
(1) Evaluating past performance for the sake of awards or Hall-of-Fame or just for ranking players historically.
(2) Projecting future performance.
Still, it's important to consider the baseline in determining how much weight you to quality versus quality. After all, there is a difference between an average 300 PA player and an average 600 PA player. I'd rather be given different choices of baselines rather than have everything be based on replacement though.
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12-16-2012, 01:23 PM #54