Ichiro?

[Walt]

lol.

Im not clamoring for Ichiro, but to say he still dosent put up numbers is just not true. and it was 629 abs!!!

So, an empty .270 BA is valuable?

[Yoda]

lol.

Im not clamoring for Ichiro, but to say he still dosent put up numbers is just not true. and it was 629 abs!!!

700 plate appearances.

And you're right. He does put up numbers, just not enough of the right ones.

[T&P_Fan]

I guess I am in the minority group, I think Ichiros NYY numbers were more indicative of the player he can still be. I put merit in the attitude of the player relative to success.

That being said, I wouldn't sign him. I just think he can still produce above a .700-.750 OPS. His numbers were a bit inflated by Yankee Stadium, but it was obvious he was seeing the ball much better after the trade.

[slim pickens]

700 plate appearances.

And you're right. He does put up numbers, just not enough of the right ones.

for argument sake, what am I missing here? 402 abs in Sea, 227 in NY......629!!!

[T&P_Fan]

for argument sake, what am I missing here? 402 abs in Sea, 227 in NY......629!!!

Yoda is referencing plate appearances, you are referencing at bats.

[socaltiger]

I say no thanks to Ichrio.

[slim pickens]

Yoda is referencing plate appearances, you are referencing at bats.

ohhhh.....lol......I didnt know when you reference a mans batting average, you include every plate apperence, even when they dont count as one......

[Yoda]

ohhhh.....lol......I didnt know when you reference a mans batting average, you include every plate apperence, even when they dont count as one......

Nobody said it did. I'm not just discussing batting average, I'm discussing his entire value at the plate.

Even if you do only include "at-bats", 170 hits isn't that many when you consider the fact that he doesn't hit for power, he rarely ever gets on base when he doesn't get a hit, and when he does get a hit the baserunners are hardly ever able to advance more than one bease because most of his hits are infield singles and weak bloops in front of the outfielders. Don't just believe what ESPN tells you when they go on and on about how amazing 200 hits is. There's a LOT more that goes into a team scoring runs than a guy racking up a bunch of infield hits and bloop singles. Ichiro's .283 batting average is far less valuable than a player who hits .250, walks 70 times, and manages 15-20 HR's, something the Tigers should be able to find instead of just settling for Ichiro. Batting average isn't everything, I hate to break it to you.

Don't get me wrong, I won't be horribly upset if they do sign him. I just prefer to look past things like batting average and when I do, I can plainly see that Ichiro just isn't as valuable as the guys on TV tell me he is. I would rather they find more of an all-around hitter.

[Nastradamus]

Runs are a team stat. Also, despite his 170 hits, he doesn't get on base often enough.

Give me Cody Ross! Pronto.

Gomes over Ross for me.

[slim pickens]

Nobody said it did. .

You guys, 170 hits isn't all that much considering he hits leadoff and never walks. He had almost 700 plate appearances. that only produces a .283 BA. .

You're killing me man... 170 hits in 400 abs is awesome. In 700? Not so much.

hmmm..

[Yoda]

I just assumed you knew the difference between AB's and PA's.

You're pulling a classic Cecil move here of avoiding the point I'm trying to make.

[slim pickens]

I just assumed you knew the difference between AB's and PA's.

You're pulling a classic Cecil move here of avoiding the point I'm trying to make.

lol, u are pulling the classic motownsports twist move of taking what u said, and trying to make others look like they have no idea.

Im done, I could care less about Ichiro. he aint coming here anyways, so this discussion is a waste of time.

[Yoda]

I happen to think there's a decent chance that he does come here. He wants a ring.