GM Winter Meetings: will they make a move?

[Yoda]

Yes or no?

[Yoda]

My vote is absolutely yes, and my shot in the dark pick is them selling high on Avi Garcia.

[Just Some Dude]

I voted No just because I want the opposite to happen. I want us to fix all of the holes early!

[Jeff6851]

I think that by 2013 one of Castellanos, Rondon or Garcia will no longer be a Tiger.

[stanpapi]

hmmm....I think it would be a huge mistake to sell on Garcia right now. The kid can run and throw extremely well. He was essentially a 21 yr. old, single A player thrust into the world series...and you know what- he did ok in some pressure situations. Better than alot of their more experienced guys. Let's face it, not everyone is ready for the show at 18 yrs. old like Miggy was. I think you hold onto a guy that has tools like that. At least see if he continues to progress. There is too much there to like to give up on him this early.

[CapitalTigers]

Tori Hunter

[PuNk42AE]

I wonder if Garcia could be a big peice of a Andrus offer? Gets them a young piece for him. Garcia+Porcello+low level guy? Would you do it?

[Jeff6851]

I wonder if Garcia could be a big peice of a Andrus offer? Gets them a young piece for him. Garcia+Porcello+low level guy? Would you do it?

Yes but Texas wouldn't.

hmmm....I think it would be a huge mistake to sell on Garcia right now. The kid can run and throw extremely well. He was essentially a 21 yr. old, single A player thrust into the world series...and you know what- he did ok in some pressure situations. Better than alot of their more experienced guys. Let's face it, not everyone is ready for the show at 18 yrs. old like Miggy was. I think you hold onto a guy that has tools like that. At least see if he continues to progress. There is too much there to like to give up on him this early.

This. Garcia could even increase his value in the future (and we may actually need him). He couldn't the centerpiece of a deal that would bring us a difference maker right now.

[Yoda]

You have to give to receive... other GM's are probably drooling over this kid right now.

[Porcelain God]

It would match the usual Tiger M.O. of selling off prospects for proven players. Garcia, Porcello, + would not get it done for Andrus?

[ewsieg]

It would match the usual Tiger M.O. of selling off prospects for proven players. Garcia, Porcello, + would not get it done for Andrus?

depends on what + is, but Garcia and Porcello alone with the idea of a + probably wouldn't get the rangers to the table, at least not quickly. I think the timing on Andrus is a year too soon. If he was one year later into his contract, with the stress the Rangers will have in trying to re-sign Hamilton, it might have worked.

[Charles Liston]

Yes, they'll do something. I'd like to keep Garcia and Castellanos but if you packaged one of them with Porcello and Peralta what could you get? Does Texas or Kansas City have anyone in the minors at short who is blocked right now, to make a deal for Andrus or Escobar feasible?

[tiger337]

If you mean this week's GM meetings, then I'd say no because nothing much usually happens there. If you mean the December meetings, then yes I think something will happen then or maybe a little sooner.

[PuNk42AE]

The stress of money isn't big on Andrus, it's because of Profar.

[STLTiger69]

If the Tigers get say, Josh Hamilton, then they may not need Garcia or Castellanos for say 5-7 years...On the other hand, if the Tigers miss out on a top tier outfielder free agent this year, The Tigers may really need both Garcia and Castellanos in the nest few years. If you want to sell high, throw Dirks name into that hat too....

[Nastradamus]

Selling on Dirks is kind of a more interesting idea. He might bring something nice over in a trade. Looking at all of our options right now, I feel like we can find a lefty OF rather easily.

[RJBBREZ]

If the Tigers get say, Josh Hamilton, then they may not need Garcia or Castellanos for say 5-7 years...On the other hand, if the Tigers miss out on a top tier outfielder free agent this year, The Tigers may really need both Garcia and Castellanos in the nest few years. If you want to sell high, throw Dirks name into that hat too....

I think they would be foolish to spend a huge amount of money on Hamilton. Would rather see 2-3 other moves which mainly include signing Sanchez.

[djhutch]

I think they'll make a move. I wonder if the supposed relationship between Garcia & Miggy would factor into any decision on whether to move him? My guess is no. I could see them moving either Garcia or Castellanos, and if it's for a SS they'd probably move Peralta too.

[Casimir]

I think that by 2013 one of Castellanos, Rondon or Garcia will no longer be a Tiger.

I would wager one of Castellanos/Garcia would be the trade chip, simply because both are currently playing RF, as well as Rondon being an option for a wide open closer role. It is intriguing to consider selling high on Garcia after a successful stint in the majors.

[Yoda]

I would wager one of Castellanos/Garcia would be the trade chip, simply because both are currently playing RF, as well as Rondon being an option for a wide open closer role. It is intriguing to consider selling high on Garcia after a successful stint in the majors.

Castellanos has been playing some LF in Arizona.

[RedRamage]

I would much prefer to see them swing some sort of deal for an upgrade in the middle infield than go all out for a big name outfielder. I would be willing to accept a down grade in offense for very good defense at short.

[Casimir]

Castellanos has been playing some LF in Arizona.

Good. I would like for he and Garcia to play a bit of each corner OF just to become acclimated in the event they get bumped from one to the other. I wouldn't mind seeing Garcia get a look at CF in spring training, just to see how he looks out there in the event Jackson needs extended time off.

[Eric Cioe]

I can't believe how many people are looking at Garcia like he's a huge trade chip. He doesn't have a good eye and his power hasn't shown up at all. Not even doubles. He hits like Edgar Renteria right now. Yes, the defense is nice, and sure, he can run a bit, but the bat just isn't there enough to put him in the same sentence as Castellanos or whomever else.

[Walt]

I can't believe how many people are looking at Garcia like he's a huge trade chip. He doesn't have a good eye and his power hasn't shown up at all. Not even doubles. He hits like Edgar Renteria right now. Yes, the defense is nice, and sure, he can run a bit, but the bat just isn't there enough to put him in the same sentence as Castellanos or whomever else.

Are you basing this on his MLB at bats? I have heard that he changed his approach upon being called up to slap the ball around rather than trying to drive it too much. I think that I heard this from Mark on one of their podcasts, but I could be remembering incorrectly since it has been sooooo long since they did one.

[benrush]

Three team blockbuster
Tigers receive Crisp and Clippard
Nats receive Cespedes, Porcello, Boesch, and Sizemore
A's receive Morse, Peralta, Espinosa, Anthony Rendon, Casey Crosby and Brian Goodwin

Tigers sign Stephen Drew 2 years 16 million

[davidsb]

Three team blockbuster
Tigers receive Crisp and Clippard
Nats receive Cespedes, Porcello, Boesch, and Sizemore
A's receive Morse, Peralta, Espinosa, Anthony Rendon, Casey Crosby and Brian Goodwin

Tigers sign Stephen Drew 2 years 16 million

Any deal involving Crisp cannot be described as a blockbuster.

[alwaysthrowheat]

Three team blockbuster
Tigers receive Crisp and Clippard
Nats receive Cespedes, Porcello, Boesch, and Sizemore
A's receive Morse, Peralta, Espinosa, Anthony Rendon, Casey Crosby and Brian Goodwin

Tigers sign Stephen Drew 2 years 16 million

Why would the Tigers trade Porcello, Peralta, and Casey Crosby for a guy they could get for free and Tyler Clippard? Go look what the A's got for Trevor Cahill; why would the Tigers get much less for Porcello?

[RJBBREZ]

I can't believe how many people are looking at Garcia like he's a huge trade chip. He doesn't have a good eye and his power hasn't shown up at all. Not even doubles. He hits like Edgar Renteria right now. Yes, the defense is nice, and sure, he can run a bit, but the bat just isn't there enough to put him in the same sentence as Castellanos or whomever else.

Maybe they look at him that way because he is 21yrs old and has plenty of potential.

[Gehringer_2]

Maybe they look at him that way because he is 21yrs old and started last season in single A and ended up playing in the world series.

I wouldn't presume to predict what kind of hitter Garcia is going to end up. But I can say that I am impressed at the way he seems to be willing to adjust his hitting approach and rebuild it as he acclimates to each new level. Seems to argue he has a lot of command of his hitting mechanics and confidence in his ability to see pitches.

[alwaysthrowheat]

I can't believe how many people are looking at Garcia like he's a huge trade chip. He doesn't have a good eye and his power hasn't shown up at all. Not even doubles. He hits like Edgar Renteria right now. Yes, the defense is nice, and sure, he can run a bit, but the bat just isn't there enough to put him in the same sentence as Castellanos or whomever else.

From what I've gathered he's anywhere between the 80th and 120th best prospect in baseball depending on who you ask. So he has a lot of value.

[Yoda]

I can't believe how many people are looking at Garcia like he's a huge trade chip. He doesn't have a good eye and his power hasn't shown up at all. Not even doubles. He hits like Edgar Renteria right now. Yes, the defense is nice, and sure, he can run a bit, but the bat just isn't there enough to put him in the same sentence as Castellanos or whomever else.

He's a guy who has a good amount of value on the trade market right now, why pretend he doesn't? He's a perfect sell high candidate, IMO.

And who here has put him in the same sentence as Castellanos?

[Casimir]

He's a guy who has a good amount of value on the trade market right now, why pretend he doesn't? He's a perfect sell high candidate, IMO.

And who here has put him in the same sentence as Castellanos?

I checked out his minor league stats yesterday, and they didn't stirke me as very impressive. Over 5 seasons his OPS is only .708, with a BB/SO ratio of 79/451. It is his possible he figured something this past season, clearly his best since he 2008 Venezuelan Summer League. But I guess I wonder how much he's really worth on the market? I guess I understand what you are saying about selling high, but at the same time, will his minor league stats really garner much in return for him?

[Yoda]

Go look up Magglio and tell me if people should have feared his minor league numbers.

Look I'm not saying he's a blue-chip prospect. He simply is not. But that the Tigers may see his value at its highest right now. If anything, the minor league numbers support that.

[Casimir]

Go look up Magglio and tell me if people should have feared his minor league numbers.

.747 with a 200/367 BB/SO split. Better than Garcia. But let's also note that Ordonez was in the minors through age 23 (with the exception of rehab assignments).

Look I'm not saying he's a blue-chip prospect. He simply is not. But that the Tigers may see his value at its highest right now. If anything, the minor league numbers support that.

Just depends on what the Tigers think. I am sure that they have an expectation of what he can accomplish in the majors. Perhaps that has been changed with his call up, perhaps not. But other teams may also see what the Tigers see if they choose to sell high now, and that is likely going to drive down the return for Garcia. They Tigers may see Garcia at his highest value right now, or they may see what he accmplished in his 2 good seasons as a more accurate barometer of what lies ahead. It might behoove them to hold onto Garcia if they expect him to repeat 2012 in Toledo next season. And it may be in the best interest for the Tigers to hold onto whatever inexpensive major league talent that they have considering the salaries that they'll be paying out in the future.

Garcia is a good poker game right now. Maybe the Tigers have a competitor at the table that plays poker poorly.

[T&P_Fan]

I am also of the belief that Garcia could be used as a good trade chip right now. His value is probably the highest its been and the Tigers need help in certain areas.

I don't expect him to get traded, I think his relationship with Cabrera is telling.

[Gehringer_2]

I checked out his minor league stats yesterday, and they didn't stirke me as very impressive. Over 5 seasons his OPS is only .708, with a BB/SO ratio of 79/451. It is his possible he figured something this past season, clearly his best since he 2008 Venezuelan Summer League. But I guess I wonder how much he's really worth on the market? I guess I understand what you are saying about selling high, but at the same time, will his minor league stats really garner much in return for him?

Of course this also goes back the question of age normalizing for minor league performance, which has already been discussed at length. Garcia was playing pro ball at 17 wasn't he?

[Nastradamus]

Garcia definitely has some value as a prospect with his tools and the fact that he came up and helped out a major league team during a pennant chase. It all depends on what you are looking to get for him though.

The thing is, you could just as easily be selling low as high.

[tiger337]

They wouldn't be selling low or high on Garcia. All MLB teams are very aware of Garcia's potential and I doubt his early recall has much bearing on his value.

[ballmich]

DD likes to move fast and set the market. So odds are that we will make a move during the winter meetings. But I think it will probably be limited to signing a couple of guys, like a middle reliever and/or a platoon corner OF.

[tiger337]

The easiest quick move would probably be signing a middle reliever. I think there is too much competition for Sanchez and corner outfielders for that to happen quickly.