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    Quote Originally Posted by Biff Mayhem View Post
    Indeed. Delmon in the 5th hole during the regular season, Boesch continuing to get ABs when the writing was already permanently etched in the wall etc...

    The only time that Leyland has managed with any sense of urgency (as I recall) was when his first contract was about to expire and then during the 2012 ALCS.
    Who else on our roster besides our 1, 3, and 4 hitters would have done better than Young in the 5 hole? Berry? No. Boesch? No. Santiago or Kelly? Hell no. You could argue Peralta or Avila would have been similar, but not better. Dirks? Maybe, but then you have two LH in a row.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrotigers View Post
    Well here's my counterpoint: If you honestly believe that Delmon Young was the best option to DH and bat fifth the entire season, that Brennan Boesch was the best option in RF for most of the season, that Quentin Berry was the best option in LF for most of the season, that Don Kelly should have batted in the world series, that Jose Valverde should have pitched in NYS etc etc

    Why isn't Dave Dombrowski being fired? If none of it was Leyland's fault, if he honestly had no other options, that's a catastrophic failure by the GM
    lolololololol

    Dombrowski is not fired because he compiled a roster that has made it to back-to-back ALCSs and won the World Series. This post is a perfect example of how your standards for perfection are far too high. You can't have all-stars at every position. Every team is going to have people that suck--even teams that win the World Series. You don't fire someone because they win pennants but do it with a hole in LF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCouga View Post
    Who else on our roster besides our 1, 3, and 4 hitters would have done better than Young in the 5 hole? Berry? No. Boesch? No. Santiago or Kelly? Hell no. You could argue Peralta or Avila would have been similar, but not better. Dirks? Maybe, but then you have two LH in a row.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCouga View Post
    Who else on our roster besides our 1, 3, and 4 hitters would have done better than Young in the 5 hole? Berry? No. Boesch? No. Santiago or Kelly? Hell no. You could argue Peralta or Avila would have been similar, but not better. Dirks? Maybe, but then you have two LH in a row.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
    Who gives a **** if there are two lefties in a row??
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    With his 8th season Leyland will be the 3rd longest tenured Tigers manager behind only Sparky Anderson and Hughie Jennings. Detroit Tigers Team History & Encyclopedia - Baseball-Reference.com

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    Jim is back for 2013. He both earned and deserves it by making the World Series. No argument from me but does anybody really think he can actually win a World Series should the Tigers return ? Thats my 2 cents. Now I am off to K Mart to stock up on some paint by number paintings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socaltiger View Post
    Jim is back for 2013. He both earned and deserves it by making the World Series. No argument from me but does anybody really think he can actually win a World Series should the Tigers return ? Thats my 2 cents. Now I am off to K Mart to stock up on some paint by number paintings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wockenfussy View Post
    With his 8th season Leyland will be the 3rd longest tenured Tigers manager
    Ee-Yah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCouga View Post
    Who else on our roster besides our 1, 3, and 4 hitters would have done better than Young in the 5 hole? Berry? No. Boesch? No. Santiago or Kelly? Hell no. You could argue Peralta or Avila would have been similar, but not better. Dirks? Maybe, but then you have two LH in a row.

    If you're going to criticize, you should have a viable alternative in mind.
    The guy had a .296 OBP. Really anyone would have been better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysthrowheat View Post
    The guy had a .296 OBP. Really anyone would have been better.
    And let's not forget the obvious fact that, not even looking at numbers, he's the easiest, most-predictable hitter in the lineup to pitch to! If I'm a pitcher, he's the one guy in the lineup I want hitting behind Cabrera and Fielder. He'll get hot for a week here and there and kill you, but the rest of the time, three breaking ball low and away and he's done. It really isn't defensible to let him hit 5th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
    Who gives a **** if there are two lefties in a row??
    It does mean something, especially because Dirks is generally not a better hitter than Young, anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biff Mayhem View Post
    Laird/Avila
    Laird batting fifth?

    I suspect manager Mayhem would get even more flack from fans than Leyland does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysthrowheat View Post
    The guy had a .296 OBP. Really anyone would have been better.
    Please state who on the Tigers would have been significantly better in that spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCouga View Post
    It does mean something, especially because Dirks is generally not a better hitter than Young, anyways.
    That is debatable. Andy had a better OBP against *lefthanders* than Delmon this year - let along against righthanders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCouga View Post
    Please state who on the Tigers would have been significantly better in that spot.
    Here is a complete list of Tigers batters with a higher OBP than Delmon Young this season:

    Alex Avila
    Prince Fielder
    Omar Infante (counting Florida stats, he drops below without them)
    Jhonny Peralta
    Andy Dirks
    Austin Jackson
    Miguel Cabrera
    Quintin Berry
    Gerald Laird
    Danny Worth
    Avisail Garcia
    Hernan Perez

    But I do understand, you can't take a .411 slugging DH out of the lineup. Going purely by OPS he was the 8th best hitter on the team this year if you count Infante's Florida stats, 7th without them. He was noticeably worse offensive player this year than Gerald Laird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCouga View Post
    It does mean something, especially because Dirks is generally not a better hitter than Young, anyways.
    Way over rated.

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    Delmon Young was third on the team in RBI.
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    According to the Freep, the Florida Marlins are reportedly considering Lloyd McClendon as a candidate for the open managers position there. There is hope yet! Please take Lloyd....pleeeease.

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    That's why they're not announcing roles yet.
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    I hope Lamont isn't the 3rd base coach. Over the past few seasons we have seen his ability to cost them runs. Leyland should stick him over at first base where he cant cause that much damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCouga View Post
    Please state who on the Tigers would have been significantly better in that spot.
    Literally anyone on the roster who wasn't a bench player or Quintin Berry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1776 View Post
    According to the Freep, the Florida Marlins are reportedly considering Lloyd McClendon as a candidate for the open managers position there. There is hope yet! Please take Lloyd....pleeeease.
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    Bummer McClendon isn't going to the Marlins. I'm not anti-Leyland as much as I'm just sick of the unwarranted loyalty to certain people on the team. I understand, I suppose no one wants to fire their friends, but surely some shuffling of the coaching staff is in order?
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