Leyland is back per Tom Gage

**TheCouga** · 10-31-2012, 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by Biff Mayhem

Indeed. Delmon in the 5th hole during the regular season, Boesch continuing to get ABs when the writing was already permanently etched in the wall etc...

The only time that Leyland has managed with any sense of urgency (as I recall) was when his first contract was about to expire and then during the 2012 ALCS.

Who else on our roster besides our 1, 3, and 4 hitters would have done better than Young in the 5 hole? Berry? No. Boesch? No. Santiago or Kelly? Hell no. You could argue Peralta or Avila would have been similar, but not better. Dirks? Maybe, but then you have two LH in a row.

If you're going to criticize, you should have a viable alternative in mind.

**TheCouga** · 10-31-2012, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by pyrotigers

Well here's my counterpoint: If you honestly believe that Delmon Young was the best option to DH and bat fifth the entire season, that Brennan Boesch was the best option in RF for most of the season, that Quentin Berry was the best option in LF for most of the season, that Don Kelly should have batted in the world series, that Jose Valverde should have pitched in NYS etc etc

Why isn't Dave Dombrowski being fired? If none of it was Leyland's fault, if he honestly had no other options, that's a catastrophic failure by the GM

lolololololol

Dombrowski is not fired because he compiled a roster that has made it to back-to-back ALCSs and won the World Series. This post is a perfect example of how your standards for perfection are far too high. You can't have all-stars at every position. Every team is going to have people that suck--even teams that win the World Series. You don't fire someone because they win pennants but do it with a hole in LF.

**Biff Mayhem** · 10-31-2012, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by TheCouga

Who else on our roster besides our 1, 3, and 4 hitters would have done better than Young in the 5 hole? Berry? No. Boesch? No. Santiago or Kelly? Hell no. You could argue Peralta or Avila would have been similar, but not better. Dirks? Maybe, but then you have two LH in a row.

If you're going to criticize, you should have a viable alternative in mind.

Laird/Avila

**Yoda** · 10-31-2012, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by TheCouga

Who else on our roster besides our 1, 3, and 4 hitters would have done better than Young in the 5 hole? Berry? No. Boesch? No. Santiago or Kelly? Hell no. You could argue Peralta or Avila would have been similar, but not better. Dirks? Maybe, but then you have two LH in a row.

If you're going to criticize, you should have a viable alternative in mind.

Who gives a **** if there are two lefties in a row??

**Charlie1** · 10-31-2012, 09:44 AM

Tigers bring back manager Jim Leyland for 2013 - Yahoo! Sports

**Biff Mayhem** · 10-31-2012, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by Yoda

Who gives a **** if there are two lefties in a row??

Jim Leyland and Mellencamp.

**wockenfussy** · 10-31-2012, 12:10 PM

With his 8th season Leyland will be the 3rd longest tenured Tigers manager behind only Sparky Anderson and Hughie Jennings. Detroit Tigers Team History & Encyclopedia - Baseball-Reference.com

**socaltiger** · 10-31-2012, 12:21 PM

Jim is back for 2013. He both earned and deserves it by making the World Series. No argument from me but does anybody really think he can actually win a World Series should the Tigers return ? Thats my 2 cents. Now I am off to K Mart to stock up on some paint by number paintings.

**tiger337** · 10-31-2012, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by socaltiger

Jim is back for 2013. He both earned and deserves it by making the World Series. No argument from me but does anybody really think he can actually win a World Series should the Tigers return ? Thats my 2 cents. Now I am off to K Mart to stock up on some paint by number paintings.

Any manager of any playoff team can win the world series. It's all a matter of getting hot at the right time.

**lordstanley** · 10-31-2012, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by wockenfussy

With his 8th season Leyland will be the 3rd longest tenured Tigers manager

Ee-Yah!

**alwaysthrowheat** · 10-31-2012, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by TheCouga

Who else on our roster besides our 1, 3, and 4 hitters would have done better than Young in the 5 hole? Berry? No. Boesch? No. Santiago or Kelly? Hell no. You could argue Peralta or Avila would have been similar, but not better. Dirks? Maybe, but then you have two LH in a row.

If you're going to criticize, you should have a viable alternative in mind.

The guy had a .296 OBP. Really anyone would have been better.

**Yoda** · 10-31-2012, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by alwaysthrowheat

The guy had a .296 OBP. Really anyone would have been better.

And let's not forget the obvious fact that, not even looking at numbers, he's the easiest, most-predictable hitter in the lineup to pitch to! If I'm a pitcher, he's the one guy in the lineup I want hitting behind Cabrera and Fielder. He'll get hot for a week here and there and kill you, but the rest of the time, three breaking ball low and away and he's done. It really isn't defensible to let him hit 5th.

**TheCouga** · 10-31-2012, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Yoda

Who gives a **** if there are two lefties in a row??

It does mean something, especially because Dirks is generally not a better hitter than Young, anyways.

**TheCouga** · 10-31-2012, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Biff Mayhem

Laird/Avila

Laird batting fifth?

I suspect manager Mayhem would get even more flack from fans than Leyland does.

**TheCouga** · 10-31-2012, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by alwaysthrowheat

The guy had a .296 OBP. Really anyone would have been better.

Please state who on the Tigers would have been significantly better in that spot.

**Walt** · 10-31-2012, 04:16 PM

Just saw this on Twitter:

JIM BOWDEN ‏@JimBowdenESPNxm
Jim Leyland just told us he made a commitment four years ago that he would manage each year for the rest of his career w/Tigers w/o a raise
Retweeted by Phil Coke's Brain

**Gehringer_2** · 10-31-2012, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by TheCouga

It does mean something, especially because Dirks is generally not a better hitter than Young, anyways.

That is debatable. Andy had a better OBP against *lefthanders* than Delmon this year - let along against righthanders.

**pyrotigers** · 10-31-2012, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by TheCouga

Please state who on the Tigers would have been significantly better in that spot.

Here is a complete list of Tigers batters with a higher OBP than Delmon Young this season:

Alex Avila
Prince Fielder
Omar Infante (counting Florida stats, he drops below without them)
Jhonny Peralta
Andy Dirks
Austin Jackson
Miguel Cabrera
Quintin Berry
Gerald Laird
Danny Worth
Avisail Garcia
Hernan Perez

But I do understand, you can't take a .411 slugging DH out of the lineup. Going purely by OPS he was the 8th best hitter on the team this year if you count Infante's Florida stats, 7th without them. He was noticeably worse offensive player this year than Gerald Laird.

**tater6** · 10-31-2012, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by TheCouga

It does mean something, especially because Dirks is generally not a better hitter than Young, anyways.

Way over rated.

**tiger337** · 10-31-2012, 06:45 PM

Delmon Young was third on the team in RBI.

**1776** · 10-31-2012, 06:53 PM

According to the Freep, the Florida Marlins are reportedly considering Lloyd McClendon as a candidate for the open managers position there. There is hope yet! Please take Lloyd....pleeeease.

**Oblong** · 10-31-2012, 09:38 PM

That's why they're not announcing roles yet.

**RJBBREZ** · 10-31-2012, 09:58 PM

I hope Lamont isn't the 3rd base coach. Over the past few seasons we have seen his ability to cost them runs. Leyland should stick him over at first base where he cant cause that much damage.

**alwaysthrowheat** · 11-01-2012, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by TheCouga

Please state who on the Tigers would have been significantly better in that spot.

Literally anyone on the roster who wasn't a bench player or Quintin Berry.

**Biff Mayhem** · 11-01-2012, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by 1776

According to the Freep, the Florida Marlins are reportedly considering Lloyd McClendon as a candidate for the open managers position there. There is hope yet! Please take Lloyd....pleeeease.

Denny Green wasn't available for an interview?

**FloridaTigers** · 11-01-2012, 12:54 PM

Bummer McClendon isn't going to the Marlins. I'm not anti-Leyland as much as I'm just sick of the unwarranted loyalty to certain people on the team. I understand, I suppose no one wants to fire their friends, but surely some shuffling of the coaching staff is in order?