2012-13 Offseason Discussion

[CapitalTigers]

Sanchez signing = Porcello Traded.

[Walt]

Sanchez signing = Porcello Traded.

Hennning just tweeted about this, with a little humor even.

Lynn G. Henning ‏@Lynn_Henning
RT @evan4623 What's the odds Porcello gets traded if Anibal is indeed signed? 99%? ... Evan: Think you might be low ...

[MC24]

More from Heyman:

Probably Angels

[CapitalTigers]

Porcello could draw a nice little trade package...

Anibel I'm not trying to be too optimistic about, because Yankees or anyone unexpected could come out knowing they could offer $80/5 and probably take him. He wants a ring, but doesn't necessarily have to be with Detroit. I'd give Sanchez, within reason, what he wants... you'd have him through his prime of 28-33.

[ROMAD1]

5/80

[Walt]

Bazinga.

Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale
Agent Gene Mato Sanchez agrees to 5 year,$80 million deal w #Tigers

[MC24]

Sweet. Wouldn't be surprised if Scherzer is traded for a nice SS now. (Andrus)

[CapitalTigers]

$16,000,000 a year is fair through his prime...

[Oblong]

Yeah, but Michigan sales tax is less, so the offers are basically the same.

but how much stuff would he be actually purchasing in the two states? I suspect not that much to make a difference since even during the season he'd only be around half the time.

[CapitalTigers]

Sweet. Wouldn't be surprised if Scherzer is traded for a nice SS now. (Andrus)

Scherzer over Porcello?

[Walt]

Scherzer over Porcello?

Do you think that Porcello would get you Andrus?

[C03BRA]

Yeah, but Michigan sales tax is less, so the offers are basically the same.

I think he could venture over to Chicago and spend a few bucks when they're on the road and some in Venezuela as well (not sure what the sales tax is there)...doubt he'll spend it all $75M in Michigan

[MC24]

Scherzer over Porcello?

Scherzer will fetch you more in a trade. Porcello won't get someone like Andrus.

Tigers are looking for an upgrade at SS, Rangers could use a TORP and they have Profar.

[CapitalTigers]

I like the Sanchez signing too, makes the trade last year more validated than ever that he wasn't just a rental.

[CapitalTigers]

True, I actually don't mind trading Scherzer if we could get a guy like Elvis. Opens up more money for the big guys coming up for resigning and Porcello is a good innings eater.

[Frink]

If Scherzer nets Andrus, you've gotta do that.

[Buddha]

No way you trade Scherzer. Tigers are going for the World Series next year. You don't trade your second best starting pitcher when you're going for it.

Porcello? Sure. Scherzer? No way.

[Buddha]

The Rangers would not trade Andrus for Upton, they're not going to trade him for Scherzer or - good lord - Porcello.

[ROMAD1]

Cubs fans are a swearing bunch of potty mouths on twitter

[MC24]

The Rangers would not trade Andrus for Upton, they're not going to trade him for Scherzer or - good lord - Porcello.

We'd probably have to add a few pieces but Scherzer is a good start. TORP that isn't a FA until 2015.

I also disagree about him being our 2nd best pitcher. Fister is better.

[CapitalTigers]

Cubs fans are a swearing bunch of potty mouths on twitter

This one is funny-
Greg Brady ‏@bradyfan590

SHOW TOPIC: Did Anibal Sanchez do enough as a member of the Chicago Cubs to merit getting his # retired?

[Gehringer_2]

We'd probably have to add a few pieces but Scherzer is a good start. TORP that isn't a FA until 2015.

I also disagree about him being our 2nd best pitcher. Fister is better.

Fister looks more the artist when he is on, but I'm not sure he isn't at least as inconsistent as Scherzer.

[A.J.K.]

I think trading Porcello now would be stupid. His stock is pretty low right now.

He could easily win 15-16 games next year (for example) with a little luck, and then we could get a much nicer haul for him if we were still inclined to trade him. At the very least, hold onto him until mid-season and see if anyone overpays out of desperation.

[LineCrosser]

6/$80M is a lot, but it's still more than $8M less a year than Grienke got. And Grienke's better, but not THAT much better.

EDIT: Sorry... that's a typo. I meant 5/$80M.

[benrush]

Porcello should net a good prospect, Tevor Story from Colorado would be nice!

[Keepleyland2]

Cubs fans are a swearing bunch of potty mouths on twitter

So its like everyday that ends in "y" for them.

[Buddha]

So its like everyday that ends in "y" for them.

But...every day ends in y....oh, I get it!

[ROMAD1]

So its like everyday that ends in "y" for them.

KL2!!!! Where have you been?

[Keepleyland2]

KL2!!!! Where have you been?

I went into a Batman begins Bruce Wayne exile following 2010 and the Eddie Bonine release. (though I still checked in by lurking). But, two playoff appearances, a World Series trip for the team and KL2 -- though I wish I could have seen a run or at least a friggin extra base hit -- have brought me back to save Gotham.

[ROMAD1]

I went into a Batman begins Bruce Wayne exile following 2010 and the Eddie Bonine release. (though I still checked in by lurking). But, two playoff appearances, a World Series trip for the team and KL2 -- though I wish I could have seen a run or at least a friggin extra base hit -- have brought me back to save Gotham.

You were missed at least in my corner of Herndon. I remember that you said you enjoyed being a wrestling heel for the Leyland haters. It would have been an interesting Summer 2012 for that role.

Now we just need to get Sportz back (oh wait, that won't happen)

[ROMAD1]

This one is funny-
Greg Brady ‏@bradyfan590

SHOW TOPIC: Did Anibal Sanchez do enough as a member of the Chicago Cubs to merit getting his # retired?

well played Mr. Brady.

[Greenwit]

Sanchez+Hunter+Vmart+ who knows what's next......

I'm starting to feel all !tingly!

[MC24]

Lynn G. Henning‏@Lynn_Henning

Why Porcello likely will be dealt: Tigers won't warehouse a starter in the minors. Smyly is a LHer ready to go and has an edge on Porcello.

Jon Heyman‏@JonHeymanCBS

with anibal signing by det, rick porcello looks like trade bait

DKnobler‏@DKnobler

Will be interesting to see where the Tigers trade Porcello. Lots of interest from NL teams, but also heard Rangers as a possiblity.

[Los Gatos]

Why in the world wouldn't they warehouse a starter in the minors? That's exactly what they should do unless bowled over by a trade offer. This is wonderful rotation depth/insurance.

[Keepleyland2]

DKnobler‏@DKnobler

Porcello, Boesch, Berrry, Inge and Craig Monore for Andrus.

Rangers get a pitcher to make up for Zach, a couple OF for Hamilton, an IF for Young and someone to speak ebonics.

It's a win-win!

[Gehringer_2]

Why in the world wouldn't they warehouse a starter in the minors? That's exactly what they should do unless bowled over by a trade offer. This is wonderful rotation depth/insurance.

The other consideration is that trade chips are often worth more in deadline deals, plus you get insurance against a spring training/early season injury (which seem to be common with pitchers). You would want to make a move now *if* you thought that the need you were going to fill, shortstop in our case, was going to stop you from leading your division, but if this team can't stay ahead of KC and the Palehose with this pitching staff and Peralta at SS, something will have gone terribly wrong.

[Yoda]

Why in the world wouldn't they warehouse a starter in the minors? That's exactly what they should do unless bowled over by a trade offer. This is wonderful rotation depth/insurance.

Because the Tigers have other needs to fill and Rick will probably have more value in a trade than people here think he has.

Also, I think Smyly will be much better this than Rick and I'd hate to see him pitching in the minors.

[Keepleyland2]

Because the Tigers have other needs to fill and Rick will probably have more value in a trade than people here think he has.

Also, I think Smyly will be much better this than Rick and I'd hate to see him pitching in the minors.

not to mention. Rick in the minors is going to be pretty disgruntled. If he is called up he is likely to remain that way.

[lesgoblu02]

Lets just be silly and play a little game...


Lets pretend we trade Porcello and Fister gets hurt. Who becomes the 5th starter and are you comfortable with that for longer than 45 days?

Depth is good.

I hope they don't trade Porcello until mid-season, if at all. But I know I'm in the minority and I'm ok with that.

[Gehringer_2]

not to mention. Rick in the minors is going to be pretty disgruntled. If he is called up he is likely to remain that way.

This is a legitimate consideration so you'd rather hold Smyly at Toledo, and if Porcello doesn't look any better starting '13 that would be a waste. But along those lines, I think the Tigers will also have what Jeff Jones reports to the Tigers on Porcello's off season in the decision mix. For instance, if Porcello is finally showing evidence that he is working toward having 9 inning stamina, you might want to get a chance to showcase that lest you end up selling low. Basically I'm saying that if the internal winter reports make them think RP might give Smyly some competition for the last spot, waiting till the season has started to mave a move wouldn't be that big a waste. And I suppose the converse is also true: If they move Porcello now he probably isn't doing anything in the off-season to change anyone's mind.