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    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysthrowheat View Post
    I like Wells, but I don't see why they'd trade one outfielder for another. Doesn't really improve their team. They'd probably give the Tigers a reliever though.
    I just based that post upon this, which indicates they are interested in Boesch...


    •The Mariners are interested in Brennan Boesch, though to a much lesser extent than they are Hamilton, according to Danny Knobler of CBS Sports (on Twitter). Boesch is an obvious trade candidate following the Tigers' signing of Torii Hunter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ballmich View Post
    I just based that post upon this, which indicates they are interested in Boesch...




    Read more at MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com: Page Two
    I understand they're interested in Boesch. I saw that too. I'm saying it doesn't really make sense to trade an OF for an OF. If they're interested in Boesch, it means they view their OF as a weakness. Therefore, why give up a decent OF? I think the odds they give the Tigers a hard throwing reliever are more likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
    That may be but other teams will be willing to give up more than Porcello + garbage.
    Okay, I'm fine with letting another team trade for him. As I said, I think he's a great story, good pitcher, but not a good trade target. The outlier year, his age, and the fact that you have to extend him immediately makes him a poor acquisition I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysthrowheat View Post
    I understand they're interested in Boesch. I saw that too. I'm saying it doesn't really make sense to trade an OF for an OF. If they're interested in Boesch, it means they view their OF as a weakness. Therefore, why give up a decent OF? I think the odds they give the Tigers a hard throwing reliever are more likely.
    Fine, but you can say the same thing about the Tigers... trading an OF for another OF. It can make sense, in some circumstances. In this case, we need the RHB to platoon with Dirks. Perhaps they think Boesch provides better chance to develop into an every day player. You just never know how a GM will view these players. Anyway, just a thought.
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    I'm not sure what wells has done since he left, but it is possible that Seattle would prefer the lefty boesch. It's also possible they might go for a deal of boesch plus a reliever for wells. I don't see why, but you never know. They traded fister to us so maybe they are dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ballmich View Post
    Fine, but you can say the same thing about the Tigers... trading an OF for another OF. It can make sense, in some circumstances. In this case, we need the RHB to platoon with Dirks. Perhaps they think Boesch provides better chance to develop into an every day player. You just never know how a GM will view these players. Anyway, just a thought.
    The outfielders that Seattle has listed on their 40 man are Mike Carp, Franklin Gutierrez, Julio Morban, Carlos Peguero, Mike Saunders, Eric Thames, Casper Wells. Only Gutierrez and Wells hit right handed. So, yeah, I'd say they're probably interested in acquiring Boesch (and in their eyes upgrading in the OF) while dealing a reliever (a place where they're strong). I've been advocating a move for Casper, but I just don't think a trade with Brennan straight up makes sense for both teams. They'd probably want something different.

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    Wells has not been that impressive since he left. He is a platoon guy with decent defense, that's it. It really shouldn't take more than Boesch to acquire him, IF the Mariners are interested in Boesch to begin with.
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    F-Rod. I don't love the guy, but I thought I'd throw the name out there and see what kind of response it elicited.

    He's kind of in the mold of the type of closers that we have had under DD. Veteran guy who isn't the pitcher he used to be, but still fairly steady. Maybe he signs a 1-year incentive laden deal to close and help us bring along Rondon...
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    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysthrowheat View Post
    Andy Dirks has 579 major league PA for his career. He hasn't been being platooned for too long. He wasn't platooned for last year. He had an unsustainable BABIP last year. I wouldn't mind having someone like Casper Wells to platoon with him for next year.



    He's only been up since May of 2011, so that's untrue.
    In 2011, Dirks was pretty strictly platooned. He had only 13% of his PA against LHP.

    In 2012, he faced LHP 24% in of his PA, while the team had 28% percent of it's total PA against LHP. So last year he was less than 50% platooned. Basically JL last season was willing to play him against all but the toughest LHP or when he thought one of the right handers (Raburn/Garcia) had a particular match-up advantage.

    The payoff was that Andy got on base at a 354 rate against LHP. Just for comparison, last year Torii Hunter's OBP against RHP was 351. So Dirk's has held his own in terms of rolling the order over against lefties, he just doesn't bring a lot of ISO.

    And also note his OBP success in '12 against LHP was not BaBIP luck, as Dirks's BaBIP against lefties was a reasonable 274. It is more because he has a good eye against LHP - walking at a 10% rate.

    I liked what Dirks brought last year a lot. But he is 27 for the '13 season so what we see now is pretty much as much as we are going to get, and that mostly means not a lot of power.

    He is really the perfect guy to have on the roster while you are watching young OFs develop. He good enough not to hurt you if you play him, but not so good that if either Garcia or Castellanos are the real deal they are blocked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysthrowheat View Post
    Andy Dirks has 579 major league PA for his career. He hasn't been being platooned for too long. He wasn't platooned for last year. He had an unsustainable BABIP last year. I wouldn't mind having someone like Casper Wells to platoon with him for next year.



    He's only been up since May of 2011, so that's untrue.
    For some reason I thought he came up in 2010 and was a righty-only guy. Even then, he has 465 PA against righties and 114 PA against lefties. Against righties, he's at .294/.338/.457/.795 and against lefties he's at .288/.345/.442/.787. What there says he should still continue to be platooned against lefties? I realize it's not a large sample, but you would think if he were to struggle against lefties, it would be early in his career and he clearly isn't. And he might even be better against lefties considering his BABIP is .339 against RHP and only .281 against LHP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KleShreen View Post
    For some reason I thought he came up in 2010 and was a righty-only guy. Even then, he has 465 PA against righties and 114 PA against lefties. Against righties, he's at .294/.338/.457/.795 and against lefties he's at .288/.345/.442/.787. What there says he should still continue to be platooned against lefties? I realize it's not a large sample, but you would think if he were to struggle against lefties, it would be early in his career and he clearly isn't. And he might even be better against lefties considering his BABIP is .339 against RHP and only .281 against LHP.
    Wells still has a career .840 OPS against lefties, which is a modest upgrade over Dirks and would be likely better than any alternatives should Dirks falter or if an OF gets hurt and they need someone to step in and play OF everyday.

    Plus it would mean he or Dirks would likely be on the bench for a pinch hitting or pinch running role on any given day. I'd certainly like him as a 4th OF. Much more so than Berry.
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    A lot of Twitter rumblings that Kelvim Escobar is looking good in winter ball. Any interest in him with an incentive-laden one-year deal, maybe a minor league deal and see if he can take over Porcello or Smyly in the rotation?

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    Doesn't feel like the Tigers are gonna be overly active this year.

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    Mariners just signed Jason Bay, another RH OF. Could make Wells more expendable? Saw a tweet that stated - at his age, Bay is Wells without the defense or upside. Perhaps Seattle has soured on Casper for some reason. If so, would love to see us acquire him for Brennan.

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    A Boesch for Wells trade would be great from my standpoint....Wells is pretty good at everything as a platoon guy, and has enough talent where he could fill in as a full timer decently if needed, esp. because he brings a plus glove to the corner OF, and is a decent backup option in CF too.

    Seattle may prefer Boesch b/c they see him as more of an everyday player.
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    With Casper Wells and Dirks in LF, I would be feeling very good about our OF...not that it's going to necessarily be a plus hitting OF, but everybody would bring at least a decent glove and athleticism/speed (everybody would be able to field every OF position reasonably well), and everybody would have the potential to be average to plus in their respective hitting roles.

    I would like that OF a LOT more than any OF we've had in a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeedMoreLike84 View Post
    Doesn't feel like the Tigers are gonna be overly active this year.
    We were in the world series this year, and signed one of the best OF's available this winter already. Hard to please everyone I guess. I'd love Sanchez, but if we just end up with a platoon RHB to couple with Dirks, a solid RP, and some depth on minor league deals, I'd consider that a pretty successful offseason.
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    Arizona making Jason Kubel available. I know he's a LH bat, but could there be any interest there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lesgoblu02 View Post
    Arizona making Jason Kubel available. I know he's a LH bat, but could there be any interest there?
    I don't think so, he's really more of a DH.
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    Nolasco wants out of Florida. How about a package deal with Porcello, Oliver, and Castellanos for Nolasco and Stanton?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayVee View Post
    Nolasco wants out of Florida. How about a package deal with Porcello, Oliver, and Castellanos for Nolasco and Stanton?
    Better add Garcia, Rondon, and every other Tiger prospect in the top 10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lesgoblu02 View Post
    Better add Garcia, Rondon, and every other Tiger prospect in the top 10.
    And that wouldn't even be enough to get Stanton by himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayVee View Post
    Nolasco wants out of Florida. How about a package deal with Porcello, Oliver, and Castellanos for Nolasco and Stanton?

    ..seriously?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ballmich View Post
    We were in the world series this year, and signed one of the best OF's available this winter already. Hard to please everyone I guess. I'd love Sanchez, but if we just end up with a platoon RHB to couple with Dirks, a solid RP, and some depth on minor league deals, I'd consider that a pretty successful offseason.
    I don't think I said anything about being upset about it. It just doesn't feel like the Tigers are looking to make a splash this year at the winter meetings.

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    The Tigers usually strike early and late. They got Hunter. Now, I think they are waiting for the market to calm down. Then they'll probably add a couple of others pieces later - maybe middle reliever, cheap RH outfielder, back-up catcher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger337 View Post
    The Tigers usually strike early and late. They got Hunter. Now, I think they are waiting for the market to calm down. Then they'll probably add a couple of others pieces later - maybe middle reliever, cheap RH outfielder, back-up catcher.
    Yeah. i was wondering if they'd make some sort of move at SS. But I think this is likely. Maybe they surprise but I dunno if they are in the mode to do anything huge.

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    Apparently the Phillies and Diamondbacks are discussing Cliff Lee + cash for Upton. I don't think the Tigers could beat that offer, even with a "down" year from Lee last season.

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    Beck: some team(s) has asked about Ramon? Tigers save $1.6M to go with Worth instead

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    Victorino to Bos for 3/$38?

    maybe Ross gets no good offer, and DD lands him late for Gomes $$, 2/$10m
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    Quote Originally Posted by RatkoVarda View Post
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    Is Ramon tearing up the winter league or something. I'd be pretty tempted to let someone have him if they want him enough to pay his salary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KleShreen View Post
    Apparently the Phillies and Diamondbacks are discussing Cliff Lee + cash for Upton. I don't think the Tigers could beat that offer, even with a "down" year from Lee last season.
    I for one think that the fans who pushing for Upton to become a Tiger would probably be disappointed with him away from the BOB.
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    Correct. Raburn was released. Gomes has signed. Hairston wants the same deal. Victorino, Ross want 3 years.
    Moving down one level, you can get Juan Rivera or Jason Bay or Matt Diaz or Ben Francisco.
    Rivera is Venezuelan. I think Bay would be worth a look.
    Based on Dombrowski's comments...it doesnt sound like they're thinking very big as far as Dirks' platoon partner. Someone fairly cheap, and who will get about 40-60 games of playing time and 120-200 PAs max.

    Matt Diaz could be a great pickup if this is the case. NICE career # s vs. Lhps, good pinch hitter, solid defensively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gehringer_2 View Post
    Is Ramon tearing up the winter league or something. I'd be pretty tempted to let someone have him if they want him enough to pay his salary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macedonian bengal View Post
    Matt Diaz could be a great pickup if this is the case. NICE career # s vs. Lhps, good pinch hitter, solid defensively.
    Diaz is 34 years old, washed up and a poor defender in LF/RF. He hasn't even managed to OPS over 755 vs. LHP since 2010, and in the five seasons spanning 2008 - 2012 he only OPS over 755 twice vs. LHP (2009 and 2010), and he has basically zero power now. Not even a passable option.

    Reed Johnson would be anothet good platoon partner offensively, but hes kinda clumsy defensively. I m not as high on Jaun Rivera or Ben Francisco, but im prepared to be dissapointed, i guess.
    Reed Johnson is basically no different from Diaz. Older, poor defender, zero power, mediocre singles hitter against LHP at *best*....not even Delmon Young level against LHP.

    Rivera and Francisco are also part of the over-30 washed-up crowd, who like Diaz and Johnson are below average in the field, and complete non-threats hitting-wise, even against LHP.

    No, no, no...if DD signs any of these stiffs I would be quite unhappy. This doesn't seem like an important player-slot to fill, but it could become important, esp. if Dirks has performance/Achilles issues.

    Absent a signing of Cody Ross, DD needs to make a modest trade to get someone who is versatile defensively and who can hit lefties reasonably well. Casper Wells would be a very good fit.
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