The Brennan Boesch and Delmon Young Are Bad Thread VIII

[pyrotigers]

As of tonight the Detroit Tigers are starting the 10th worst wOBA among all qualifying MLB players from any position in RF and the 21st worst at DH.



Congratulations Brennan on entering the bottom 10!

[MDMAzing]

yeah they both suck, but sleepy Dave doesnt seem to mind.

[Tigers4F4]

I can see DD's dilemma. What if the Tigers go out and acquire a power bat who most likely will be a DH or play limited time in the field because of questionable defence when there is a likelihood that Victor Martinez will return within a couple of months?

[RJBBREZ]

They are both awful. So is Raburn. Not much else to say anymore. Looks like the tigers are stuck with them.

[1776]

yeah they both suck, but sleepy Dave doesnt seem to mind.

DD is a poor excuse for a GM. I still contend that signing Fielder was stupid. Too many other needs totally overlooked. This team has major problems right now and there is no easy fix.

[dadair6]

DD is a poor excuse for a GM. I still contend that signing Fielder was stupid. Too many other needs totally overlooked. This team has major problems right now and there is no easy fix.

I was against the Fielder signing from the beginning, but DD is off the hook for that one. That signing is all Ilitch's baby.

[1776]

I was against the Fielder signing from the beginning, but DD is off the hook for that one. That signing is all Ilitch's baby.

I know Illitch made the decision but somebody on this Titanic has to speak up. Apparently DD isn't the guy. The more you look at this organization the more apparent it is that there are some serious problems.

[pyrotigers]

The Fielder signing cost piles of money and he's playing well this season. Boesch and Young could be removed from the team for a tiny fraction of that money, and replaced by guys making the MLB minimum. I understand being frustrated with other players, but I'm harping on these two because they're so bad and so easily replaceable. Even if you don't like Fielder or the money we're paying him, the Tigers couldn't replace his production easily or cheaply, that's not the case with the two anti-hittites.

[mmwatkin]

There is no sense in complaining about Boesch right now. Until Dirks comes back, there is no one else worth replacing him with.

[pyrotigers]

There is no sense in complaining about Boesch right now. Until Dirks comes back, there is no one else worth replacing him with.

Brennan Boesch is the worst defensive outfielder in MLB. He's currently hitting: .232 .270 .348.

He is vastly below replacement level, a generic AAA player could replace him and be expected to perform better.

[tiger337]

The Fielder signing cost piles of money and he's playing well this season. Boesch and Young could be removed from the team for a tiny fraction of that money, and replaced by guys making the MLB minimum. I understand being frustrated with other players, but I'm harping on these two because they're so bad and so easily replaceable. Even if you don't like Fielder or the money we're paying him, the Tigers couldn't replace his production easily or cheaply, that's not the case with the two anti-hittites.

I agree with this. I dislike the Fielder signing because it limits their flexibility in building a complete roster. However, I don't see a scenario where trading him is going to make the team better in the near future. It will only make matters worse. Dumping Young or Boesch might not make the team better, but won't make it worse.

[ballmich]

There's a pretty big gap between Young and Boesch in my mind. Young was grossly overpaid to be a league average hitter, below average defensive LF and part-time DH. And he hasn't even met that ridiculously low bar. Not to mention the off-field issue.

Boesch at least is fairly cost effective and could be optioned back to Toledo if management wanted. That would be ideal, but given the lack of replacement, has tied the organizations hands. There's no reason to give up on him yet, though it sure would be nice to give him some roster competition for next year.

[tiger337]

No need to give up on Boesch, but don't forget that he is older than Young. The cost makes a difference as to who comes back next year, but doesn't really matter for the rest of this year as the damage has been done.

[tigermojo]

Sadly, Young isn't doing that much worse than he did overall last season. I don't expect him to get any better this year. Why not give his roster spot to somebody who can at least play defence? If he's left on the roster, Leyland will continue to bat him 5th and that is really hurting the team. Boesch could get better but I think he needs a trip to Toledo before that is a possibility. Here is what I would like to see: Young released, Guez takes his roster spot. Boesch sent to AAA, Holaday recalled. The lineup becomes:

Jackson CF
Berry LF
Cabrera 3B
Fielder 1B
Peralta SS
Avila DH
Laird C
Santiago 2B
Kelly/Raburn RF

Holaday gets very limited playing time. He's only there because of the concern with Avila's knee.
Guez back up outfielder.
Worth backs up the infield.

At least try something different. Leyland won't so DD will have to remove Young and Boesch from the roster. If Boesch can fix his problems then we'll get him and Dirks and Alburquerque back after the break. Hopefully Martinez back in August. Then we'll have the offence to compete. For now lets mix in some defensive players because Boesch and Young are not getting the job done.

[Dawgs]

The Fielder signing cost piles of money and he's playing well this season. Boesch and Young could be removed from the team for a tiny fraction of that money, and replaced by guys making the MLB minimum. I understand being frustrated with other players, but I'm harping on these two because they're so bad and so easily replaceable. Even if you don't like Fielder or the money we're paying him, the Tigers couldn't replace his production easily or cheaply, that's not the case with the two anti-hittites.

This is the biggest indictment yet on DD. How can the minors be so bereft of talent they cant replace Boesch and Delmon, two of the worst players in all of baseball who dont perform even close to replacement level? Thats why IMO DD needs to go.

[RandyMarsh]

I seriously don't understand how the Tigers have not gone out of the organization and replaced these 2 yet. How can you continue to trot these 2 out on a daily basis? It can't be that hard or cost that much to get a corner OF/DH who can hit a little. They're some of the most replaceable players in baseball yet the Tigers continue on with these 2 bums. I would be more understanding of sticking with them if these 2 had a long track record of success but obviously that's not the case. These are just two lousy ballplayers who have been lousy majority of their big league careers yet a team that has World Series aspirations and is supposedly all in this year(atleast the Prince signing led you to believe that) sticks with them. It's ridiculous.

[Verlander MVP 2011]

With these 2 clowns, Raburn and a non-existent farm system, I'm tempted to go out and sign Vlad for the rest of the year and either cut DY or send Boesch down. The man might not be very good anymore, but he did OPS .733 last year... Which is MVP caliber compared to Boesch, Young and Raburn.

[Gehringer_2]

I was against the Fielder signing from the beginning, but DD is off the hook for that one. That signing is all Ilitch's baby.

Of course another way to look at it is that Victor's loss would not have been such a glaring hole needing immediate repair by Prince if the Tigers had moderately decent hitting corner OFs and 2b. So you actually could say that there is a direct line from DD to the 'need' to sign Prince.

[ToledoTigerFan]

I'm going to withhold judgement until after Harrah gets a chance to work with both. Young might be a lost cause, but I think Boesch can be salvaged.

[Sting]

I'm going to withhold judgement until after Harrah gets a chance to work with both. Young might be a lost cause, but I think Boesch can be salvaged.

Why is Lloyd still here? Oh yeah, Leyland's buddy. Obviously even Tiger management doesn't think Lloyd is doing a very good job anymore.

[sagnam]

I'm going to withhold judgement until after Harrah gets a chance to work with both. Young might be a lost cause, but I think Boesch can be salvaged.

So when these guys don't get any better does that mean Harrah is a terrible coach too?

At some point one has to come to the realization that some of these hitters are who they are.

[toadhunter911]

I'm going to withhold judgement until after Harrah gets a chance to work with both. Young might be a lost cause, but I think Boesch can be salvaged.

Boesch has the longest swing in MLB and a terrible approach. Not sure if Ty Cobb himself could help him.

[Shinzaki]

Boesch's OPS is 300 pts higher on the road than it is at home....por que?

[tigermojo]

Boesch and Young aren't the only players to blame: Strange Seasons For Fielder and Cabrera - Motor City Bengals - A Detroit Tigers Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More

[Freehan_1968]

Black hole at 2b

Black hole in RF

Black hole at DH

Black hole in LF

Regression from Peralta at SS

Avila not right physically

Hard to overcome that much.

Not much else to say about it.

Next season, if not sooner, Boesch needs to be gone.....and Young will be gone......and regardless of what DD is publicly stating----they must upgrade at 2B.

[Shinzaki]

LF has been good this year...when Dirks or Berry are out there. I can live with 2b being a tad off if the defense is acceptable (Santiago, Worth). We are in serious need of an upgrade in RF and DH.

[tigerbomb13]

Boesch HAS to go to Toledo when Dirks is back.

What's the record for most negative WAR over an entire season? Because he could get to -4.0 if he sticks around all year!

[tiger337]

Boesch HAS to go to Toledo when Dirks is back.

What's the record for most negative WAR over an entire season? Because he could get to -4.0 if he sticks around all year!

Worst WAR ever:
Jerry Royster Atl 1977 -4.1
Lim Levey Stl 1933 -4.1
Levey also had the 7th worst WAR in 1931

Worst Tigers WAR:
Jerry Morales 1979 -2.6

Boesch has a very real shot at that one if he keeps playing.

[Beantown Marty]

Why is everyone complaining about Bœsch?! He's 3rd on the team in HR's for crying out loud!

[pyrotigers]

Boesch and Young a combined 1-6 tonight, came up to bat with a total of 10 men on base and managed to pick up 1 RBI, and a grand total of two bases of advancement combined for all of those runners. Good stuff.

[Shelton]

I dislike both of these players so much.

[Oblong]

Remember how Boesch was going to have a great year hitting in front of Cabrera and Fielder?

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

And Delmon was going to break out?

[tiger337]

Young was going to get 100 RBI batting behind Cabrera and Fielder.

[Antrat]

And we have the best offensive catcher in baseball.

[Oblong]

On the MLB Network Detroit Tigers Preview show back in March:

"Brennan Boesch is one of the great young players in the game"

[Buddha]

I dislike both of these players so much.

As much as you hate Austin Jackson? :)

[Oblong]

I told Biggs last night that Young may be my least favorite Tiger of all time.

[Biff Mayhem]

I told Biggs last night that Young may be my least favorite Tiger of all time.

Bip Roberts IMO

[Antrat]

I would indeed say that Delmon has quickly become my least favorite Tiger of all time.
Alex Sanchez was the previous holder of this honor.