Tigers will regret not trading Jacob Turner this past off-season

[The Truman Show]

If trading Turner is on the table, you need to be getting way more than 15 starts of someone. As enticing as the idea is, there's just no way you can trade a top 50 prospect for half a season of anyone.

[Gehringer_2]

If trading Turner is on the table, you need to be getting way more than 15 starts of someone. As enticing as the idea is, there's just no way you can trade a top 50 prospect for half a season of anyone.

Not to mention that pitching is not this system's fundamental weakness. If you are going to trade pitching from this system you better get some glove and bat back for it.

[STLTiger69]

I really think the Tigers path going forward is going to be trying to use the cheapest, cost controlled talent the Tigers can develop and mix them in with Cabrera, Fielder and Verlander and hope for the best. The Tigers are not in a good position to "raid" the minor leagues for 2 or 3 young prospects to get a starting pitcher that is already making $13.5M.

[The Truman Show]

I really think the Tigers path going forward is going to be trying to use the cheapest, cost controlled talent the Tigers can develop and mix them in with Cabrera, Fielder and Verlander and hope for the best. The Tigers are not in a good position to "raid" the minor leagues for 2 or 3 young prospects to get a starting pitcher that is already making $13.5M.

Couldn't agree more.

[Shelton]

I have mentioned this before, but there aren't going to be many teams paying a high price for upcoming free agent studs due to the loss of free agent compensation.

I don't see the brewers getting much for greinke if they decide to trade him. A package involving smyly might be able to get it done. The brewers will need to weigh the value of something like smyly and Brantly against the two comp picks they would get. Teams are much more protective of their top prospects these days, so I don't see many that would trade a package equal to turner and castellanos for a rental. That type of package will be reserved for players that have at least another year left on their deal.

[STLTiger69]

I have mentioned this before, but there aren't going to be many teams paying a high price for upcoming free agent studs due to the loss of free agent compensation.

I don't see the brewers getting much for greinke if they decide to trade him. A package involving smyly might be able to get it done. The brewers will need to weigh the value of something like smyly and Brantly against the two comp picks they would get. Teams are much more protective of their top prospects these days, so I don't see many that would trade a package equal to turner and castellanos for a rental. That type of package will be reserved for players that have at least another year left on their deal.

+1

And with the economy in general, many teams are near the top end of their payroll and are looking for more creative solutions just as the Tigers are. Just as a sign of how things are going, I almost choked on my drink when the Red Sox's broadcasters said in all seriousness that Marco Scutaro (and his $6M salary) was traded to free up money for the Red Sox to be able to afford to sign Cody Ross and a few other players...

Remember, the Red Sox's have a payroll of $175M for this year....

[catswithbats]

I think Id rather have Casey Crosby at this point than Jake Turner.

/facepalm

Edited to add a more substantial comment:

Yeah, this is absolutely preposterous.

[irvink]

I have mentioned this before, but there aren't going to be many teams paying a high price for upcoming free agent studs due to the loss of free agent compensation.

Forgot that draft compensation was thrown out the window when a player is traded. With this new rule, plus 2nd wild card keeping more teams in the mix, it certainly seems like fewer star players will be moved. Is Smyly and Brantly worth half a season of Greinke? In this case, it probably makes more sense for Milwaukee to hold onto him, unless they get a Wheeler for Beltran type offer.

[alwaysthrowheat]

Heat;

I respect what your saying and agree with your idea, but I think that a Tiger payroll for 2013 that would be approaching $150M is pretty ridiculous too.

Well, it aint our money.

[Gehringer_2]

Forgot that draft compensation was thrown out the window when a player is traded. With this new rule, plus 2nd wild card keeping more teams in the mix, it certainly seems like fewer star players will be moved. Is Smyly and Brantly worth half a season of Greinke? In this case, it probably makes more sense for Milwaukee to hold onto him, unless they get a Wheeler for Beltran type offer.

Great. Does that mean it will be even harder to move Fielder once the mngmt finally decides his signing was a mistake?

[pyrotigers]

Great. Does that mean it will be even harder to move Fielder once the mngmt finally decides his signing was a mistake?

I would think it would help if anything, fewer players being available means more leverage for the trading teams. Not that they're going to want to trade Prince when he's hitting .300/.400/.500 and hitting foul line drives that knock out Chicago and Cleveland fans

[MSUBrian11]

Crosby called up before Turner lol

[pyrotigers]

Crosby called up before Turner lol

Perhaps you missed Turner's MLB debut last season while Crosby was walking over 5 per 9 in AA

[CapitalTigers]

Crosby called up before Turner lol

Wrong by a season.

[MSUBrian11]

Perhaps you missed Turner's MLB debut last season while Crosby was walking over 5 per 9 in AA

That's my point. Tigers think more highly of Crosby at this point in time (see the thread title). Turner's stock is plummeting

[The Truman Show]

That's my point. Tigers think more highly of Crosby at this point in time (see the thread title). Turner's stock is plummeting

Maybe if you keep repeating it, it will come true one day.

[MSUBrian11]

Maybe if you keep repeating it, it will come true one day.

What will?

[MC24]

That's my point. Tigers think more highly of Crosby at this point in time (see the thread title). Turner's stock is plummeting

Or maybe they are letting him develop? Just a thought.

[The Truman Show]

They called up Omir Santos and not Brantly or McCann? Wasted picks.

[tiger337]

It's pretty obvious that MSUB is just trolling at this point.

[RatkoVarda]

It's pretty obvious that MSUB is just trolling at this point.

I heard MSU is offering Trolling 101 as a 6 credit-pass fail class next semester, replacing Burning Down Your Own Dorm After Any Mildly Significant Win.

[MSUBrian11]

They called up Omir Santos and not Brantly or McCann? Wasted picks.

Turner was supposed to compete for a rotation spot this spring, neither of those two guys were. And why call up Brantly for two games? Seems pointless to start his clock, and send him back down for Jackson. I do think Brantly will be better than Avila, and will be our starting catcher in 2014.

[Nastradamus]

Crosby is hot right now and almost 3 years older than Turner. You can think whatever you want of Turner, its your opinion, but trying to link this to how Turner is viewed is just idiotic.

[KleShreen]

I've gotten banned for less than MSUB's trolling. Haha.

[Walt]

It's pretty obvious that MSUB is just trolling at this point.

Your perception is getting poor if it is just now becoming obvious. :banghead:

[Vonlenska]

It's pretty obvious that MSUB is just trolling at this point.

I heard MSU is offering Trolling 101 as a 6 credit-pass fail class next semester, replacing Burning Down Your Own Dorm After Any Mildly Significant Win.

I've gotten banned for less than MSUB's trolling. Haha.

Your perception is getting poor if it is just now becoming obvious. :banghead:

Yep.

[potthole]

It's pretty obvious that MSUB is just trolling at this point.

I'd argue that he has been trolling in this board for a long, long time.

[pyrotigers]

Change the name of the thread to 'Jacob Turner will regret not being traded by the Tigers this past offseason' because I feel sorry for any pitcher on this team

[john doe]

Change the name of the thread to 'Jacob Turner will regret not being traded by the Tigers this past offseason' because I feel sorry for any pitcher on this team

Luv it!!

[Dunkin Darvin]

Turner pitched a complete game shutout tonight. 9 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 6 K.

Now 4-2 with a 3.16 ERA in AAA as a 21 year old.

Not to mention; check out this list of the top 10 RHP in baseball and compare Turner's numbers to the others in AAA.

2012 Prospect Watch | MLB.com: Prospects

[Eric Cioe]

The walk rate still sucks but that's a hell of a game from such a young kid.

[Gehringer_2]

Turner pitched a complete game shutout tonight. 9 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 6 K.

Now 4-2 with a 3.16 ERA in AAA as a 21 year old.

Not to mention; check out this list of the top 10 RHP in baseball and compare Turner's numbers to the others in AAA.

2012 Prospect Watch | MLB.com: Prospects

Maybe spring training will finally get interesting next year. We've been waiting for a spring when we might finally see Dombrowski's hoped for surfeit of pitchers having to beat each other out for a spot instead having guys just back in.

[Dunkin Darvin]

The walk rate still sucks but that's a hell of a game from such a young kid.

I agree on the walk rate, the zero walks in 9 IP was by far the most encouraging thing for me about his start tonight.

[pyrotigers]

The walk rate still sucks but that's a hell of a game from such a young kid.

I'm hoping he's getting healthy/in shape/whatever. His start in MLB was not great with the walks and all, but his stuff was better than I'd been expecting, and now a 0 walk complete game...well here's hoping