Delmon Young arrested for fighting in NYC

[Yoda]

So why assume it has to be a teammate? These guys do have friends that aren't also teammates... It's pretty likely he'd have friends in a city like NYC.

[irishmick79]

So why assume it has to be a teammate? These guys do have friends that aren't also teammates... It's pretty likely he'd have friends in a city like NYC.

Young could definitely have been off doing his own thing, sure. It wouldn't surprise me either if ballplayers tended to party together when they're out on the town, especially on the road.

[ROMAD1]

Speaking of him,

1984; 24 years old; 557 AB; 0 HR
1985; 25 years old; 691 AB; 4 HR
1986; 26 years old; 680 AB; 31 HR

Violent temper, glaucoma, stroke and inability to maintain a healthy body weight (when off-cycle) are all symptoms of long-term steroid abuse.

Bill James Goldmine 2008

Is Prince on steroids?

[The Truman Show]

The only connection might be that a player getting so intoxicated that he has to be hospitalized the morning before a game may not be as dedicated to the game as he could be. I would agree that the slur doesn't say anything about him as a baseball player.

I don't even think that holds up. Cabrera has had the same sort of problems (minus the racial slurs, that we know of), but he's shown nothing but 100% commitment to his craft as a player.

[The Truman Show]

Is Prince on steroids?

He has a really long off-cycle.

[ROMAD1]

He has a really long off-cycle.

I'm very agnostic about all this. I think the Young's have the genetic issues relating to diabetes. Can't say that Puckett or Fielder are the same. I do recall that Cecil Fielder hinted that they did some "things" to help Prince deal with his obesity.

Who can say. But, I think Young has had some very good spurts as a pro when he was a dangerous hitter. He was dang near our MVP in the playoffs.

[Gehringer_2]

Is Prince on steroids?

IDK if Delmon is on 'roids, but he sure moves like he spends too much time power lifting. His kinetics are a great example of what we used to call 'muscle-bound'.

[sinister porpoise]

yeah I agree with that fully. that's part of your job to make sure you are as prepared as possible. I just don't make the leap to the kind of player you are which is what I saw earlier in the thread, that somehow his lack of ability to take a walk or tendancy to swing at a bad pitch is a link to him being a bad person off the field.

If you had a co-worker with several years demonstration of unfulfilled potential, and this person had incidents of comparable severity to throwing a bat at an umpire and getting arrested for drunken hate crimes at 3am, the thought that their work performance was affected by activities away from work would probably cross your mind.

[TigersSlappy]

Elmon on restricted list, Worth recalled.

Detroit Tigers place Delmon Young on restricted list, recall Danny Worth from Toledo | MLive.com

[tiger337]

I don't even think that holds up. Cabrera has had the same sort of problems (minus the racial slurs, that we know of), but he's shown nothing but 100% commitment to his craft as a player.

Are we sure about that? Was he 100% prepared to play the last weekend of 2009?

And I really have no knowledge as to whether he is 100% committed at other times. Maybe he is or maybe he could be even better. Perhaps, if he stayed more fit, he could have been at third base all along and been more valuable. I don't know the answers to these questions.

[Oblong]

If you had a co-worker with several years demonstration of unfulfilled potential, and this person had incidents of comparable severity to throwing a bat at an umpire and getting arrested for drunken hate crimes at 3am, the thought that their work performance was affected by activities away from work would probably cross your mind.

throwing a bat and getting arrested are not the same thing as not drawing enough walks or not being a good defender.

maybe he's just not a good player at the MLB level?

[Gehringer_2]

Elmon on restricted list, Worth recalled.

Detroit Tigers place Delmon Young on restricted list, recall Danny Worth from Toledo | MLive.com

If we can get Wilk and Worth in the line-up on a regular basis and Boesch can pull his head out if the fog he seems to be in, maybe this team can play some decent D, even if only against RHP.

[Gehringer_2]

throwing a bat and getting arrested are not the same thing as not drawing enough walks or not being a good defender.

maybe he's just not a good player at the MLB level?

I think anyone looks at his bat speed and probably figures that since that is a part of hitting you can't teach, and Delmon has it, that he has to get better. But it's been what-- 5 yrs now? Maybe despite the great bat speed he just has lousy visual perception for pitch recognition - you can't teach that part either....

[JayVee]

Lynn G. Henning ‏ @Lynn_Henning
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Because of contract language introduced after the John Rocker affair, Young's contract CAN be voided, if hate-crimes offense occurred.

[The Truman Show]

Are we sure about that? Was he 100% prepared to play the last weekend of 2009?

And I really have no knowledge as to whether he is 100% committed at other times. Maybe he is or maybe he could be even better. Perhaps, if he stayed more fit, he could have been at third base all along and been more valuable. I don't know the answers to these questions.

When I say committed to his craft, I don't mean showing up in the most ready of shape every single day. I really don't think that's possible even for guys that don't have an alcohol problem. I mean being dedicated to improving as a player and being the best hitter and fielder he can be. That's the frustrating part about Delmon Young: it's not a question of whether he's ready to play, but it's the fact that after 7 years of playing he still looks like a rookie at the plate and in the field.

[tiger337]

When I say committed to his craft, I don't mean showing up in the most ready of shape every single day. I really don't think that's possible even for guys that don't have an alcohol problem. I mean being dedicated to improving as a player and being the best hitter and fielder he can be. That's the frustrating part about Delmon Young: it's not a question of whether he's ready to play, but it's the fact that after 7 years of playing he still looks like a rookie at the plate and in the field.

I'm not saying that Young is definitely not prepared to play just because of one incident. I'm just suggesting that a player who gets heavily intoxicated the morning before a game may not be as prepared as he could be. This may not be an isolated incident and it's possible his off field habits are affecting his game. I don't know nearly enough about Cabrera or Young or any other player to assert that they are 100% committed to their craft.

[Casimir]

Lynn G. Henning ‏ @Lynn_Henning
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Because of contract language introduced after the John Rocker affair, Young's contract CAN be voided, if hate-crimes offense occurred.

So what is taking so long? He's overpaid for his worth before this issue, and he certainly hasn't helped the cause with this issue.

It may have been mentioned already, I don't know. But there were many that were surprised that Young was readily available on the cheap via waiver wire trade last season. I'm not saying that GMs saw this coming, but perhaps there was enough of a reputation attached to Delmon that drove interest in him lower than what many thought it should have been?

[sabretooth]

Elmon on restricted list, Worth recalled.

Detroit Tigers place Delmon Young on restricted list, recall Danny Worth from Toledo | MLive.com

I sincerely and deeply hope that we've seen the last of Delmon Young as a Tiger. Never liked him as a player, certainly don't like him now as a person. I'm also hoping that our lineup will solidify with Worth/Santiago at 2B, and Raburn/Boesch/Dirks/Eldred splitting the RF/LF/DH roles (with Eldred strictly a part-time DH of course).

Raburn and Boesch need to hit at least decently immediately, and one of them needs to get the bat going on the plus side fairly soon, hopefully some warmer weather will help.

[CapitalTigers]

I sincerely and deeply hope that we've seen the last of Delmon Young as a Tiger. Never liked him as a player, certainly don't like him now as a person. I'm also hoping that our lineup will solidify with Worth/Santiago at 2B, and Raburn/Boesch/Dirks/Eldred splitting the RF/LF/DH roles (with Eldred strictly a part-time DH of course).

Raburn and Boesch need to hit at least decently immediately, and one of them needs to get the bat going on the plus side fairly soon, hopefully some warmer weather will help.

My concern is a complete release means he could end up with one of our divisional opponents. Any possibility of trading him for something, even though stock low?

[CapitalTigers]

Wow, Delmon got front page. :(

[Vonlenska]

slugger

[ROMAD1]

This appears to constrain what happens.

Delmon Young sidelined after being placed on MLB Restricted List | The Detroit News | detroitnews.com

Silly Delmon

[Mehm]

Lynn G. Henning ‏ @Lynn_Henning
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Because of contract language introduced after the John Rocker affair, Young's contract CAN be voided, if hate-crimes offense occurred.

I'm really not seeing a hate crime here at all. If they had been Christian Missionaries panhandling and he had said ****ing Christians, would we even be having this converstation? To my understanding, a person of Jewish faith is referred to as a Jew. Guilty of poor manners maybe, but using that terminology is not a hate crime, IMO.

[Gehringer_2]

My concern is a complete release means he could end up with one of our divisional opponents. Any possibility of trading him for something, even though stock low?

If Minny couldn't get much for him last year, how will we now that he is even more damaged goods?

[VegasTiger]

Any incident that even appears to put a person from Chicago on the moral high ground, is unacceptable.

[TheCouga]

I wonder what Max Scherzer thinks about this whole situation. Similarly, Ryan Braun, who's had his own brush with controversy.

Part of what the Tigers do in this situation is based on what kind of message their actions send to Jewish people. Would keeping him on the team and giving him a second chance be highly offensive? Would it turn into a PR disaster? How badly do his words hurt the larger community?

I think this is going to be the determining factor as to whether they keep him on the team or not. He hasn't been the best LF, but they obviously have no one better, so I don't think based on play alone you can justify dropping him, unless you can actually void the contract like Henning was referring to. Even then, I think his upside might be worth hanging on. Sometimes events like this are turning points.

I think if he agrees to go through counseling and apologizes to the Jewish community, though -- I'd be inclined to keep him.

Kinda makes me wish we got Cespedes, though.

[jonjd]

Let's understand one thing: Delmon should have bit his tongue. Judging by the front page and all of his at-bats, it's not a difficult thing for him to do.

[Chopper]

I wonder how many fans would be screaming for his release if he was hitting .320 had 8 HR and 20 RBI?

[tiger337]

I wonder how many fans would be screaming for his release if he was hitting .320 had 8 HR and 20 RBI?

Probably very few. I think many wanted him released even before the incident because of insufficient baseball skills. Now, they are hoping the incident will eventually lead to his release.

[catswithbats]

I wonder what Max Scherzer thinks about this whole situation. Similarly, Ryan Braun, who's had his own brush with controversy.

. . . But Scherzer's not Jewish, is he?

[Oblong]

I think he is... at least I've heard it said he was.

[catswithbats]

I think he is... at least I've heard it said he was.

I read somewhere that he wasn't. But whenever I plug in his name in google "Max Scherzer Jewish" pops up as a google autocomplete, so who knows.

[ROMAD1]

. . . But Scherzer's not Jewish, is he?

Ryan Braun is happy that he's above the law.

[bigtenguy]

I read somewhere that he wasn't. But whenever I plug in his name in google "Max Scherzer Jewish" pops up as a google autocomplete, so who knows.

Sounds German to me, not that it really matters.

[STLTiger69]

First, I just want to see what Delmon Young chooses to do as a "man" before I make any decisions about him as a human being, as a player and his future as a Tiger. Everyone makes mistakes, it's what people do when they make a mistake that is most telling to me. Does Young hold a press conference to admit his mistake and apologize to the parties involved and seek treatment for a problem with alcohol or does he shrug his shoulders and lawyer up and threaten to sick the union on the Tigers for putting him on the restricted list and hope this issue just all goes away during a new news cycle. Show me Delmon that your a human being worthy of forgiveness and not a spoiled athlete with an attitude problem.

Secondly, my thought is before this incident happened and even assuming Young had a great year hitting .280-.300 with 25-30 HR's this 2012 season, I DO NOT think the Tigers were planning to sign Young to an extended contract (say 4 year with a total of $40M+ deal) to keep him around for the 2013 season and beyond, so this was likely going to be Young's last year in a Tigers uniform anyway. I think the Tigers were going to do a trial run with Dirks getting a lot of playing time in LF this year (to see if he can handle being the starter in LF for 2013) so perhaps the Tigers timetable might get a bump if Young is released.

We'll see what happens....

[catswithbats]

Sounds German to me, not that it really matters.

It is. I'm told Scherzer means "joker" in German by a friend.

[bigtenguy]

I have heard "Jester". At first I thought someone was making fun of his performances on the mound this year.

Jew or Not Jew: Max Scherzer

[thefunk]

Delmon having a 'defense attorney' is just too ironic.

[TheCouga]

. . . But Scherzer's not Jewish, is he?

I'm fairly positive he is.

[sinister porpoise]

Sounds German to me, not that it really matters.

A lot of common Jewish surnames have German meaning. Yiddish is related to German.
Stein- stone. Weiss/Schwar(t)z- white/black. Gross/Klein- big/small.

I don't think he is Jewish though.