The Tigers Set with their Position Roster?

[John_Brian_K]

Who wants to be reminded of Jim Price talking?

I thought it was to mock him, so I am good with it.

It was not. I like Price. I like the whole crew. I like Rod Allen for gods sake. What is the point in hating him? He is there, we have to deal with it. Why spend time hating it. There are plenty of other things to throw your hate at.

[The Truman Show]

Dirks is a good fielder, he'll be ok.

[Los Gatos]

While I can't say I like the ii, it doesn't really bother me. I am fascinated that JBK remembers to use it every time he types third base. Every single time - he never misses. It's like I Spy for offseason fun - I look for a 1-i third but can never find one.

[John_Brian_K]

I think it is a symptom of people looking for something to rag me about because I will occasionaly rag a thread and they may think I am ragging them personally. I am not. I do not know you guys enough to rag you on an individual basis...unless we are engaged in direct communication back and forth...when I rag on a thread or an idea I am not ragging individuals...I am ragging the idea. My style seems to piss people off big time to the point of ragging me personally.

I am sick of the soap opera so I will just do my best to refrain from engaging in the ragging.

[john doe]

Two "ii's" are not enough. Price uses 5 i's when he says Thiiiiird, get it right. We need to have all our facts and stats correct on this board.

[Motor City Sonics]

I think Dirks is just fine as a fourth outfielder. He can play all three positions, he won't hurt you defensively and he is competent at the plate - and that is all you need. I don't see him as an everyday starter unless a couple of guys get hurt. You don't need more from your fourth outfielder.

[alwaysthrowheat]

I think Dirks is just fine as a fourth outfielder. He can play all three positions, he won't hurt you defensively and he is competent at the plate - and that is all you need. I don't see him as an everyday starter unless a couple of guys get hurt. You don't need more from your fourth outfielder.

I think Thomas gets the first crack at it.

[Shelton]

Inge provides nothing that they don't already have.

I think Thomas gets the final bench spot. Worth can provide insurance by playing in Toledo.

Thomas at least provides the ability to pinch run or be a late game defensive replacement.

[DaYooperASBDT]

Andy Dirks will bat .275 with 18 HR and 72 RBI as the Starting Left Fielder.

I do think Dirks will surprise, but as Chas mentioned he probably won't get enough at-bats to pile up much for counting stats.



Unless they bat him fifftt.

[DaYooperASBDT]

I think it is a symptom of people looking for something to rag me about because I will occasionaly rag a thread and they may think I am ragging them personally. I am not. I do not know you guys enough to rag you on an individual basis...unless we are engaged in direct communication back and forth...when I rag on a thread or an idea I am not ragging individuals...I am ragging the idea. My style seems to piss people off big time to the point of ragging me personally.

I am sick of the soap opera so I will just do my best to refrain from engaging in the ragging.

Lately, it seems that most everybody here is on the rag.

Pitchers and catchers report yet?

[The Truman Show]

Inge provides nothing that they don't already have.

I think Thomas gets the final bench spot. Worth can provide insurance by playing in Toledo.

Thomas at least provides the ability to pinch run or be a late game defensive replacement.

I don't think they'll go with that many outfielders. Raburn/Jackson/Boesch/Dirks/Thomas/Kelly/Young? Even if you consider Raburn and Kelly being mostly infielders, Dirks/Thomas is extremely redundant.

[A.J.K.]

I am so glad I'm not the only one that has noticed this!

This is at least the thiiird time I've seen it mentioned.

[lesgoblu02]

wow

[DaYooperASBDT]

Some nice area covered in this thread.

[Motor City Sonics]

I don't know, I think some folks are really overvaluing Clete Thomas here. I think Andy Dirks is a much better player than Clete Thomas. I could see very early in the season the Tigers wanting to maybe have Dirks get some everyday play in Toledo, but maybe a couple of weeks worth and then the Tigers start to use their bench more. The Tigers aren't a middle of the road team, the Tigers are a World Series favorite, and to me World Series favorites don't worry too much losing a guy whose potential is to be a 5th outfielder who is out of options when there are 100 guys just like him to find all over the minors. I'm not trying to be a Clete Thomas hater or anything, but one of the reasons he is at the point of being out of options is that he is a career minor leaguer at best. Dirks is every bit as fast as Thomas out there and has way more upside and once May rolls around Leyland is going to use everyone on his bench. You can afford a pinch runner in September when your roster gets expanded, but not not the rest of the year - and especially when you have a full time backup catcher - that leaves you with 3 bench spots - and those 3 bench spots play a lot in Leylandland.

[potthole]

Maybe he's not getting enough attention from his mommy.

The more oxygen you give it, the more it's validated. Let it go and it will choke itself out.

Valid point. FWIW, though, that was the first I had ever commented on it.

[potthole]

I think it is a symptom of people looking for something to rag me about because I will occasionaly rag a thread and they may think I am ragging them personally. I am not. I do not know you guys enough to rag you on an individual basis...unless we are engaged in direct communication back and forth...when I rag on a thread or an idea I am not ragging individuals...I am ragging the idea. My style seems to piss people off big time to the point of ragging me personally.

I am sick of the soap opera so I will just do my best to refrain from engaging in the ragging.

I think part of the problem stems from how in the past you've gotten upset if somebody ragged on one of your threads.

[Gehringer_2]

I don't know, I think some folks are really overvaluing Clete Thomas here. I think Andy Dirks is a much better player than Clete Thomas. I could see very early in the season the Tigers wanting to maybe have Dirks get some everyday play in Toledo, but maybe a couple of weeks worth and then the Tigers start to use their bench more. The Tigers aren't a middle of the road team, the Tigers are a World Series favorite, and to me World Series favorites don't worry too much losing a guy whose potential is to be a 5th outfielder who is out of options when there are 100 guys just like him to find all over the minors. I'm not trying to be a Clete Thomas hater or anything, but one of the reasons he is at the point of being out of options is that he is a career minor leaguer at best. Dirks is every bit as fast as Thomas out there and has way more upside and once May rolls around Leyland is going to use everyone on his bench. You can afford a pinch runner in September when your roster gets expanded, but not not the rest of the year - and especially when you have a full time backup catcher - that leaves you with 3 bench spots - and those 3 bench spots play a lot in Leylandland.

Clete is one of those guys that has periodically flashed a higher level of play than he seems to be able to sustain. Makes him the kind of player you want to give a maximum number of chances to just in case he figures out consistency at some point.

[DaYooperASBDT]

I think the league figured out how to pitch to Clete, and he hasn't made the adjustments yet.

[Shelton]

I don't think they'll go with that many outfielders. Raburn/Jackson/Boesch/Dirks/Thomas/Kelly/Young? Even if you consider Raburn and Kelly being mostly infielders, Dirks/Thomas is extremely redundant.

How many infielders do you need? Cabrera/fielder/peralta/raburn/Santiago/Kelly/Inge.

Inge/Cabrera is extremely redundant.

Really, though, after Kelly, laird, and Santiago, I don't really care. I consider those three the bench and the primary backups for the players such as dirks and raburn and young that might get a day off from time to time (and laird for Avila of course).

I don't want my 25th man to be redundant. I want him to actually provide some value. None of those bench guys can match Thomas in terms of speed and defense at all three outfield positions.

I don't particularly see any value that can be added by having worth or Inge on the roster. I don't want either of them ever starting a game, nor do I think they would need to in order to keep the starters fresh. Kelly and Santiago can cover that.

I suppose worth could start at second against a lefty if you don't like Santiago as a right handed hitter.

But I also look at it from a depth perspective. You can keep Thomas on the bench and worth in Toledo. If we need a new IF due to injury, call up worth. We might be able to get Thomas through waivers, and if he is claimed it is not a huge loss. I don't think we should keep Thomas just because he is out of options. I think that pushes him over the top all things being equal. I just don't see things as equal. I think Thomas provides a distinct skill set off the bench that we do not already have. I think Inge or worth are more redundant, so to speak.

[STLTiger69]

Here's a fun question and I honestly am not sure how to find the answer. Does anyobody know what Tigers have minor league options available?

I know last year Raburn had one left, I am sort of fuzzy on Worth and Dirks.

Any ideas on where I can find out?

(Thanks in advance all!)

[Shelton]

Here's a fun question and I honestly am not sure how to find the answer. Does anyobody know what Tigers have minor league options available?

I know last year Raburn had one left, I am sort of fuzzy on Worth and Dirks.

Any ideas on where I can find out?

(Thanks in advance all!)

I'm not aware of a database that has that readily listed, but you can piece it together. The key is determining when a player was added to the 40 man roster. From you just count the years after that that the player spent more than 20 days in the minors (or something like that). There are a few wrinkles, but that is the general way of figuring it out.

[STLTiger69]

I'm not aware of a database that has that readily listed, but you can piece it together. The key is determining when a player was added to the 40 man roster. From you just count the years after that that the player spent more than 20 days in the minors (or something like that). There are a few wrinkles, but that is the general way of figuring it out.

Thanks Shelton!

[ajspence]

It was not. I like Price. I like the whole crew. I like Rod Allen for gods sake. What is the point in hating him? He is there, we have to deal with it. Why spend time hating it. There are plenty of other things to throw your hate at.

I do not "hate" anything or anyone. Jim Price is a terrible commentator/announcer, IMO. You have a different view; that's your opinion. That is what makes conversation around here. I merely commented on my view of it - no hating involved.

I think it is a symptom of people looking for something to rag me about because I will occasionaly rag a thread and they may think I am ragging them personally. I am not. I do not know you guys enough to rag you on an individual basis...unless we are engaged in direct communication back and forth...when I rag on a thread or an idea I am not ragging individuals...I am ragging the idea. My style seems to piss people off big time to the point of ragging me personally.

I am sick of the soap opera so I will just do my best to refrain from engaging in the ragging.

You seem to make yourself a target, but I had no intention of aiming anything at you. Sorry for getting you all fired up.

[DaYooperASBDT]

A target? Shoot, some days certain posters are more like a target pilot.

[STLTiger69]

As if on cue;

Out Of Options 2012

By Tim Dierkes [February 15, 2012 at 7:37am CST]

The following 40-man roster players have less than five years service time and are out of minor league options. That means they must clear waivers before being sent to the minors. I've excluded players on multiyear deals. This list was compiled through MLBTR's sources.


Tigers

Collin Balester, Don Kelly, David Pauley, Clete Thomas


the story;

Out Of Options 2012: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com

[John_Brian_K]

That is an intersting list.

Kelly and Thomas along with Pauley.

[John_Brian_K]

You seem to make yourself a target, but I had no intention of aiming anything at you. Sorry for getting you all fired up.

I have heard this argument about three times on this board. The whole thiiird thing. People say it is annoying or they hate it or dislike it. I just do not get why something like that garners attention. I do not do it to irritate people. I do it to remind me of spring/summer and watching a baseball game.

No big deal I guess. I am just glad you didn't get indignant/crazy about it like some people have done. Amiable conversation is something I enjoy. You made the conversation amiable.

[DaYooperASBDT]

Pauley sucks.

[Freehan_1968]

JBK,

You left Laird off as a bench player.

You have Dirks, Worth, Inge, Kelly.

It's one or the other between Inge and Worth.

I'd vote Worth over Inge....but I hate Inge. Worth is more versatile around the IF too but has has less than no bat where Inge just has no bat.

[The Truman Show]

How many infielders do you need? Cabrera/fielder/peralta/raburn/Santiago/Kelly/Inge.

Inge/Cabrera is extremely redundant.

Really, though, after Kelly, laird, and Santiago, I don't really care. I consider those three the bench and the primary backups for the players such as dirks and raburn and young that might get a day off from time to time (and laird for Avila of course).

I don't want my 25th man to be redundant. I want him to actually provide some value. None of those bench guys can match Thomas in terms of speed and defense at all three outfield positions.

I don't particularly see any value that can be added by having worth or Inge on the roster. I don't want either of them ever starting a game, nor do I think they would need to in order to keep the starters fresh. Kelly and Santiago can cover that.

I suppose worth could start at second against a lefty if you don't like Santiago as a right handed hitter.

But I also look at it from a depth perspective. You can keep Thomas on the bench and worth in Toledo. If we need a new IF due to injury, call up worth. We might be able to get Thomas through waivers, and if he is claimed it is not a huge loss. I don't think we should keep Thomas just because he is out of options. I think that pushes him over the top all things being equal. I just don't see things as equal. I think Thomas provides a distinct skill set off the bench that we do not already have. I think Inge or worth are more redundant, so to speak.

I think Santiago/Worth is the infield redundancy rather than Inge/anyone. Inge is the only right handed hitting above average 3B defender (not that that's really a role anyone should care about, but that is unique).

Now that you put it that way though, I think I'd rather they take 13 pitchers.