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    Quote Originally Posted by JonBenke View Post
    No, I was the one that brought up Jonathan Sanchez, thank you!
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    i hope you did not spend months working on identifying him as a trade target!

    if so, please go off on uncle sam.
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    This should heat up the discussions
    Jair Jurrjens anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keystone View Post
    This should heat up the discussions
    Jair Jurrjens anyone?

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    I don't think we have the firepower to pull off such a trade, so we're probably safe from any heated discussion on this topic.
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    Resign Ordonez and ship him to Atlanta?
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    When conceiving trades with the Giants, consider Sabean's MO. He generally doesn't trade for prospects; he trades for veterans. Their core is the front four in their rotation plus Posey. They're riding high right now and I can't see them breaking that core up, especially for prospects. It's more likely that they'll continue piecing scrap heap signings (Huff, Burrell, Ross, JGuillen) with prospect-for-veteran trades (FSanchez) to support the core.

    I love speculating and would welcome JSanchez on the Tigers, but I don't see it happening from an SF needs or historical strategy standpoint. In the unlikely event the Giants were to trade him this winter, I think it would be for an established veteran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keystone View Post
    This should heat up the discussions
    Jair Jurrjens anyone?

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    We need to strengthen our own outfield. AJ would probably have to be included in any Tiger OF-for-JJ talks, and I wouldn't go anywhere near that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ballmich View Post
    I don't think we have the firepower to pull off such a trade...
    Yea, cause it'll take a boatload to acquire an often injured, slightly above average - NL starter, who's always injured.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JonBenke View Post
    Yea, cause it'll take a boatload to acquire an often injured, slightly above average - NL starter, who's always injured.

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    ITT: We propose that the Tigers sign a bunch of over-the-hill, overpriced free agents for which we will, in two years, blame Dombrowski for sinking the team's payroll into injured, declining veterans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaYooperASBDT View Post
    Thoughts:

    1. Sizemore looked much healthier and September, and hit well. The job is still his to lose next ST.

    2. I would think that the Giants would move Jonathan Sanchez in a heartbeat, and possibly add another useful player (Affeldt?), if you offered Jacob Turner + Ryan Streiby.

    3. Aubrey Huff can kiss my ***

    4. Wonder is Jesus Guzman is moveable? He plays 3B and has hit .321 the past 2 years in the minors.
    As if if trade Turner for Sanchez.. Even if another player was involved, strieby is trash, take him

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    I want Jurrjens back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaYooperASBDT View Post
    Thoughts:

    1. Sizemore looked much healthier and September, and hit well. The job is still his to lose next ST.

    2. I would think that the Giants would move Jonathan Sanchez in a heartbeat, and possibly add another useful player (Affeldt?), if you offered Jacob Turner + Ryan Streiby.

    3. Aubrey Huff can kiss my ***

    4. Wonder is Jesus Guzman is moveable? He plays 3B and has hit .321 the past 2 years in the minors.
    I'm not sure about #2...I think you may be undervaluing Sanchez. I would trade Turner for Sanchez straight up.

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    Rhymes > Sizemore
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    NO Inge please, sign Adrian Beltre
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    Platoon in the OF: Raburn/Wells (RH) Boesch/Thomas (LH)
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    Go after a #2/#3 starter (of your choice)
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    Quote Originally Posted by baseball3 View Post
    Rhymes > Sizemore
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    Platoon in the OF: Raburn/Wells (RH) Boesch/Thomas (LH)
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    Let's win the Central in 2011 !
    I'm really looking forward to seeing what Thomas brings to ST. With a slew of injuries behind him will he finally hit some kind of stride? Will he end up injured again and prove his brittleness, or will he just turn out to be a flash who fizzled and fade into oblivion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EchO View Post
    I'm not sure about #2...I think you may be undervaluing Sanchez. I would trade Turner for Sanchez straight up.
    Sanchez is good, a great # 3 starter for sure, but he's not worth Turner, even straight up.

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    I miss clete thomas ):

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    what happened to sportz4life? What did he get the boot for?

    always enjoyed his posts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EchO View Post
    I'm not sure about #2...I think you may be undervaluing Sanchez. I would trade Turner for Sanchez straight up.
    No way in hell. Turner for Sanchez? Sanchez would be Matt Garza with more walks in the AL. Not going to trade a guy like Turner for him. Oliver would be even pushing it, let alone Turner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C03BRA View Post
    what happened to sportz4life? What did he get the boot for?

    always enjoyed his posts...
    Enjoyed many of his posts, but he continued to be abusive and condescending on a regular basis. Bummer, but I understand it completely.
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    Sportz is gone? Wow.. He and I might not have agreed on some things, but I liked him );

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bondo View Post
    No way in hell. Turner for Sanchez? Sanchez would be Matt Garza with more walks in the AL. Not going to trade a guy like Turner for him. Oliver would be even pushing it, let alone Turner.
    Okay, well this is clearly a difference in opinion then.

    I place slightly more value on proven pitchers who can strike out more than a batter an inning, eat innings, is left handed, and doesn't give up many hits or home runs than unproven talent.

    I don't think Oliver has done anything to prove he will be a better pitcher than Sanchez already is. I think Turner has a chance to be a great pitcher, but he is an unproven commodity.

    Say what you want about the NL, but the Braves are a decent team even with the injuries and Sanchez carved them up. He gave up two hits over 7.1 (striking out 11), he was only charged a run because Romo couldn't strand the runner on first in the eight. He only faced the pitcher twice (Hudson struck out once and singled once...the only hit before the eight) so its not like he is just abusing the pitcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaYooperASBDT View Post
    Enjoyed many of his posts, but he continued to be abusive and condescending on a regular basis. Bummer, but I understand it completely.
    I suppose, what did he do that was so obscene he was perma banned? Ill miss him ):, R.I.P. Sportz4life

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    Quote Originally Posted by EchO View Post
    Okay, well this is clearly a difference in opinion then.

    I place slightly more value on proven pitchers who can strike out more than a batter an inning, eat innings, is left handed, and doesn't give up many hits or home runs than unproven talent.

    I don't think Oliver has done anything to prove he will be a better pitcher than Sanchez already is. I think Turner has a chance to be a great pitcher, but he is an unproven commodity.

    Say what you want about the NL, but the Braves are a decent team even with the injuries and Sanchez carved them up. He gave up two hits over 7.1 (striking out 11), he was only charged a run because Romo couldn't strand the runner on first in the eight. He only faced the pitcher twice (Hudson struck out once and singled once...the only hit before the eight) so its not like he is just abusing the pitcher.
    He has a had a great year, but the Giants have a lot of pitching, for say Oliver and Rayburn I think we could nab him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle sam View Post
    He has a had a great year, but the Giants have a lot of pitching, for say Oliver and Rayburn I think we could nab him
    Sanchez is of (roughly) the same quality as Scherzer...would you trade Scherzer for Oliver and Raburn?

    Just because you give up two mediocre players doesn't mean you can get one good player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EchO View Post
    Sanchez is of (roughly) the same quality as Scherzer...would you trade Scherzer for Oliver and Raburn?

    Just because you give up two mediocre players doesn't mean you can get one good player.
    Oliver is a good prospect and Rayburns a good player ( Yea id go that far ). First of all, you way over rate Sanchez, yea he's great but not worth Friggin Jacob Turner. He has had an ERA over 4 in every season of his carreer before this one and he's 28. The giants have a lot of pitching depth, but they need offense and Rayburns a good hitter, and then we put the cherry on top with Oliver. And don't even compare him to Max Sherzer, I don't care if Sanchez did have better stats this year they are on another level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle sam View Post
    Oliver is a good prospect and Rayburns a good player ( Yea id go that far ). First of all, you way over rate Sanchez, yea he's great but not worth Friggin Jacob Turner. He has had an ERA over 4 in every season of his carreer before this one and he's 28. The giants have a lot of pitching depth, but they need offense and Rayburns a good hitter, and then we put the cherry on top with Oliver. And don't even compare him to Max Sherzer, I don't care if Sanchez did have better stats this year they are on another level.
    It's Raburn.

    And Raburn isn't even a starter on a team that is looking for OF help and Raburn is 29 turning 30. And what makes you think Scherzer is on another level? Because you have seen Scherzer pitch and you haven't seen Sanchez? Give me one reason why they are on "another level?"

    And I would NEVER trade Scherzer for Oliver and Raburn...
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    Quote Originally Posted by EchO View Post
    It's Raburn.

    And Raburn isn't even a starter on a team that is looking for OF help and Raburn is 29 turning 30. And what makes you think Scherzer is on another level? Because you have seen Scherzer pitch and you haven't seen Sanchez? Give me one reason why they are on "another level?"

    And I would NEVER trade Scherzer for Oliver and Raburn...
    I have watched a lot of video of Sanchez, Sherzer is a much better pitcher, he has bettter stuff, is younger and walks a lot less people than Sanchez. You watch Sherzer and you can tell he's something very special, Sanchez is good but at 29 next year and only haveing one sub 4 ERA season you can't say he's better than Sherzer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaYooperASBDT View Post
    Enjoyed many of his posts, but he continued to be abusive and condescending on a regular basis. Bummer, but I understand it completely.
    I'm sure the Mods also cautioned one or two more before the release. There was some heated discussion in that thread and I normally don't even go there. Still, I didn't see it coming.
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    Give me three ways Sanchez is as good or better than Sherzer

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaYooperASBDT View Post
    Enjoyed many of his posts, but he continued to be abusive and condescending on a regular basis. Bummer, but I understand it completely.
    If you ask me, and no one did, the board's been a bit too liberal in this case in their release policy. Sportz was a known quantity. He was a condescending jerk to a lot of posters, but usually the ones who deserve to be condescended. He was a longtime member whose behavior was pretty much the same from the time I got here in 2007. And yet he was tolerated all that time because at heart he was a valuable member of our community, the town jerk to lots of people but exceedingly pleasant to at least a few of us. I always appreciated his insights and when he went too far in being a jerk towards me I checked him, and that was that. To me sportz was an MTS institution who should have never been released. He provided far too much good insight and conversation with those who were willing to call him out on being a jerk to let him go because a few of his victims couldn't defend themselves. The place might be friendlier with him gone but it's certainly poorer. Just in post volume he must have been a top 15 or so user, and to get rid of that after allowing similar behavior for at least a few years seems silly.

    EDIT - In short I'm going to miss the gruff old bastard because I often found his posts worthwhile and because I don't think he presented any real threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle sam View Post
    I have watched a lot of video of Sanchez, Sherzer is a much better pitcher, he has bettter stuff, is younger and walks a lot less people than Sanchez. You watch Sherzer and you can tell he's something very special, Sanchez is good but at 29 next year and only haveing one sub 4 ERA season you can't say he's better than Sherzer.
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    For ****'s sake, Sam, it's Scherzer, with a C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle sam View Post
    I have watched a lot of video of Sanchez, Sherzer is a much better pitcher, he has bettter stuff, is younger and walks a lot less people than Sanchez. You watch Sherzer and you can tell he's something very special, Sanchez is good but at 29 next year and only haveing one sub 4 ERA season you can't say he's better than Sherzer.
    It's Scherzer.

    Sanchez walks one more batter per nine, and strikes out one more batter per nine. Even with the increase in walks the WHIP is actually lower. I still don't see how they are on a different level...I admittedly have only seen Sanchez in a few games via MLB.tv and the playoffs, but he looks just as electric as Scherzer, so I'm not sure what you are seeing differently.

    Age is a factor, but even taking that into consideration I would still never trade a player of Sanchez or Scherzer's caliber for Raburn and Oliver...imo, I think you are over valuing those players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle sam View Post
    Give me three ways Sanchez is as good or better than Sherzer
    He is left-handed.

    Throughout his career he has been able to strike out more per nine.

    Edit: He has pitched as well as Scherzer (statistically) every year...
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    IMO you are over valueing Sanchez. I mean for gods sakes he's the giants third starter! Its not like we are talking Matt Cain or Lincecum, there's no way if we trade for Sanchez we give them Turner. Oliver yes, but not in a million years Jacob Turner, he's projected to be a # 1 type pitcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle sam View Post
    IMO you are over valueing Sanchez. I mean for gods sakes he's the giants third starter! Its not like we are talking Matt Cain or Lincecum, there's no way if we trade for Sanchez we give them Turner. Oliver yes, but not in a million years Jacob Turner, he's projected to be a # 1 type pitcher.
    So was Andrew Miller. He was a can't miss prospect...the #10 prospect in all of baseball.

    Point being, Sanchez is a very quality pitcher who is only the Giant's #3 pitcher because they have a perennial Cy-Young award winner as a #1, and an all-star quality pitcher who has been dominate as the #2. I don't fault Sanchez because he is behind two phenomenal pitchers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EchO View Post
    He is left-handed.

    Throughout his career he has been able to strike out more per nine.

    He has proven that he can pitch exceedingly well in big games.
    1. Throwing arm is nearly irrelivant in compareing two pitchers and how food they are

    2. I agree that's big

    3. Big games? Like when, this is hist first postt season, that's where the big games are

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle sam View Post
    1. Throwing arm is nearly irrelivant in compareing two pitchers and how food they are

    2. I agree that's big

    3. Big games? Like when, this is hist first postt season, that's where the big games are
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle sam View Post
    IMO you are over valueing Sanchez. I mean for gods sakes he's the giants third starter! Its not like we are talking Matt Cain or Lincecum, there's no way if we trade for Sanchez we give them Turner. Oliver yes, but not in a million years Jacob Turner, he's projected to be a # 1 type pitcher.
    He's their 3rd starter BECAUSE they have Cain and Lincecum. Look at Sanchez's progression over the past 3 years. Look at his 2010 performance. Look at Sabean's track record of trading prospects for veterans, not the other way around. Oliver won't interest him because he's a prospect, and I'm sure he feels he can grab comparable production to Raburn for nothing (like Burrell this year).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle sam View Post
    1. Throwing arm is nearly irrelivant in compareing two pitchers and how food they are

    2. I agree that's big

    3. Big games? Like when, this is hist first postt season, that's where the big games are
    After I posted that, I realized #3 was a poor reason, I have sense edited it.

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