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    Default The Future of Brennan Boesch




    What does Brennan Boesch's future hold in Detroit? It's easy to get excited over his first 30 AB's, but we all know such a small sample size is relatively meaningless.

    Clearly he can hit the ball. I like the quote from one of his minor league managers who said "When Brennan hits the ball he hits it hard. And it stays hit for a very long time". Or something like that.

    Guillen will eventually return from his injury. What happens then? (resist the obvious jokes about Guillen getting injured stepping into the batters box his first AB after returning). Next year Damon will be off the books. Maggs might be too, though that's less certain.

    What is Boesch's future here?

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    Not much if he gets on base at a .300 clip. He's got some nice tools but his offensive game is as shot through with holes as his swing is.

    EDIT - I don't care how much power you have, a .300 OBP is not acceptable unless you're a defensive whiz at a premium position. Boesch is Mike Jacobs until he learns to control the strikezone. If he can do that, even to the tune of a league average OBP, then there might be the sort of lefty bat the Tigers have been looking for. But at .300 OBP, he's a bench bat.
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    Maggs will be back next year. Guillen may not be. Damon probably stays on. I would probably plan on having a single of spot available for next year.
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    Guillen is owed a pile of money in 2011, so he'll probably be back, unless we can find a taker for him. I don't consider it likely. Though somebody took Nate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cioe View Post
    Not much if he gets on base at a .300 clip. He's got some nice tools but his offensive game is as shot through with holes as his swing is.

    EDIT - I don't care how much power you have, a .300 OBP is not acceptable unless you're a defensive whiz at a premium position. Boesch is Mike Jacobs until he learns to control the strikezone. If he can do that, even to the tune of a league average OBP, then there might be the sort of lefty bat the Tigers have been looking for. But at .300 OBP, he's a bench bat.
    He's only what, 24, so hopefully he has some improvement left in him. A .300 OBP makes it tough to be effective, but .325 plus a lot of power could be useful. About Jose Guillen useful, anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelton View Post
    Maggs will be back next year. Guillen may not be. Damon probably stays on. I would probably plan on having a single of spot available for next year.
    I think Maggs vests, Damon's brought back for another year, and Guillen gets the Nate Robertson treatment, traded (with cash) after spring training.

    What's the future for Boesch... I hope he has one, but I am not quick to write in his name on future lineup cards for next year (like lynn henning has).

    And a little about Guillen; he is owed 13 million for this year and for next, and also has a partial no-trade clause. But with Maggs/Damon, we need them to platoon in the OF/DH, and Guillen -- with all his injuries, has shown that he can't play the field without getting hurt. Bad contract. It's really too bad, and I doubt he's here next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illitchitimate View Post
    Guillen is owed a pile of money in 2011, so he'll probably be back, unless we can find a taker for him. I don't consider it likely. Though somebody took Nate.
    Yeah, with a pile of cash... That's what we'll end up doing with Guillen. We'll send him somewhere with a giant pile of cash, or just release him.

    Either way, we're going to end up eating 26 million over the rest of this year and next.

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    Come 2012, we may see a Boesch/Wells platoon in RF, Jackson in CF, Ramirez in LF, and Strieby at DH ?? Don't know if Raburn will still be around. Perhaps Clete could be a backup option.

    Boesch sure has a quick bat - if he could learn to take a few more walks then he definitely becomes part of the OF discussion going forward.
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    I've been impressed with Boesch. Dude has quick hands, so he has no problem catching up with fastballs. He'll likely get better at not swinging at pitches he shouldn't. Hopefully, legendary Lloyd doesn't screw him up too much. He looks a little shaky in the outfield, but he's not brutal. He could improve his defense with work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaYooperASBDT View Post
    Come 2012, we may see a Boesch/Wells platoon in RF, Jackson in CF, Ramirez in LF, and Strieby at DH ??
    Jackson in CF, that's all but a lock from here on out. The other three, I'd bet we'd see maybe one of those scnerios, maybe two, but I doubt all three.

    I'm not that high on the trio of Wilkin/Strieby/Wells.

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    Boesch sure has a quick bat - if he could learn to take a few more walks then...
    I hope he gets his chance, though I'm not holding my breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaYooperASBDT View Post
    Come 2012, we may see a Boesch/Wells platoon in RF, Jackson in CF, Ramirez in LF, and Strieby at DH ?? Don't know if Raburn will still be around. Perhaps Clete could be a backup option.

    Boesch sure has a quick bat - if he could learn to take a few more walks then he definitely becomes part of the OF discussion going forward.
    Is anyone else like me and thinking Wells is fading fast with Boesch playing so well in Detroit? Ramirez didn't help himself by being demoted to AA to start the year either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToledoTigerFan View Post
    I've been impressed with Boesch. Dude has quick hands, so he has no problem catching up with fastballs. He'll likely get better at not swinging at pitches he shouldn't. Hopefully, legendary Lloyd doesn't screw him up too much. He looks a little shaky in the outfield, but he's not brutal. He could improve his defense with work.
    I'm not sold yet....the guy's logged about 1800 AB's in the minors already over five seasons and hasn't really demonstrated plate discipline at any level. His K/BB ratio is 3.05 over those AB's. If that's what we can expect out of him, that would make him comperable to hitters like Juan Encarnacion or Jacque Jones. Guys who can be useful in the right situations because they have so much power, but overall are spare parts. If I had to predict Boesch's future right this instant, I would suggest that he might develop a useful, solid big leaguer down the road, but I doubt it will happen with the Tigers. He's got a loooong way to go with his plate discipline.
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    He could be a left handed Marcus Thames for us. Get 200 AB's between DH and OF and provide power off the bench.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illitchitimate View Post
    Guillen is owed a pile of money in 2011, so he'll probably be back, unless we can find a taker for him. I don't consider it likely. Though somebody took Nate.
    Do all you trade Guillen people comprehend, they got nothing for Nate, they paid all but $450,000 of a $10,000,000 salary and recieved a low grade almost useless prospect in return. It's ridiculous to even say the traded him.

    Guilen has absolutley no trade value..

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    Brennan Boesch is the type of player that gets you in trouble, he has one skill, power.

    Poor fielder, terrible plate discipline, a virtual black hole wth a bat, waiting to happen.

    Now, that being said, his power is mesmerizing, his run porduction intriguing, but as most of the SABR's on the oard have discussed, it's a matter of tme before he begins to hurt you. Unless he vastly improves his plate discipline he will kill you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sportz4life View Post
    Do all you trade Guillen people comprehend, they got nothing for Nate, they paid all but $450,000 of a $10,000,000 salary and recieved a low grade almost useless prospect in return. It's ridiculous to even say the traded him.

    Guilen has absolutley no trade value..

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    Nate is also a LH SP. Not a very good one, but LH SP's have about 450k worth of value, apparently.

    Guillen is a defensive liability that can't stay healthy as a DH. I'm sure GM's are salivating over him.
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    Imo, he has that "aaron boone" type of uppercut swing to him especially when he hits home runs

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    All I know is, he hit the piss out of that ball last night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sportz4life View Post
    Brennan Boesch is the type of player that gets you in trouble, he was one skill, power.

    Poor fielder, terrible plate discipline, a virtual black hole wth a bat, waiting to happen.

    Now, that being said, his power is mesmerizing, his run porduction intriguing, but as most of the SABR's on the oard have discussed, it's a matter of tme before he begins to hurt you. Unless he vastly improves his plate discipline he will kill you.
    Hopefully the Tigers don't get so sucked in by the power potential that they give Boesch more opportunities to be an every day player than he deserves. He's hitting the ball pretty hard right now and you have to like that, but it's still hard to see what he can sustain. I can certainly live with a left-handed version of Thames for a while, as long as the Tigers keep a clear head about his abilities and don't get sucked in by overly optimistic expectations.
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    He's been extremely aggressive, but he's made decent contact, and when he does, he is impressive. He does need to lay off bad pitches, because I notice he's getting plenty of them.
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    I don't think he's an awful fielder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonBenke View Post
    I think Maggs vests, Damon's brought back for another year, and Guillen gets the Nate Robertson treatment, traded (with cash) after spring training.

    What's the future for Boesch... I hope he has one, but I am not quick to write in his name on future lineup cards for next year (like lynn henning has).

    And a little about Guillen; he is owed 13 million for this year and for next, and also has a partial no-trade clause. But with Maggs/Damon, we need them to platoon in the OF/DH, and Guillen -- with all his injuries, has shown that he can't play the field without getting hurt. Bad contract. It's really too bad, and I doubt he's here next year.
    Quote Originally Posted by JonBenke View Post
    Yeah, with a pile of cash... That's what we'll end up doing with Guillen. We'll send him somewhere with a giant pile of cash, or just release him.

    Either way, we're going to end up eating 26 million over the rest of this year and next.
    I'd tend to agree with this. I think it's likely we'll do whatever it takes to get Guillen out of here for next season, even if it means paying someone to take him. It's getting to the point where he's actually getting in the way, and that's not the case with Mags. If Damon continues to be this consistent, I'd love to see him get a 2 year extension.

    Boesch has been impressive, and I have a feeling he may work out some of his issues, such as OBP, in time and with some work. He's only 24, so he has time left. If he was 28 or 29 I'd say this is as good as it gets. I just want to see him progress over the season an improve in the needed areas. The last thing we need is for him to become Chris Shelton II.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattD View Post
    I'd tend to agree with this. I think it's likely we'll do whatever it takes to get Guillen out of here for next season, even if it means paying someone to take him. It's getting to the point where he's actually getting in the way, and that's not the case with Mags. If Damon continues to be this consistent, I'd love to see him get a 2 year extension.
    No, no, no, no, no, have you learned nothing from the recent history of this team? Give a two year contract to a guy who is a good baseball player right now, but is so old that by the end of it, he'll be 40? Sheffield? Come on.

    I have no problem bringing Damon back, but for one year. No need to get hamstrung with two year deals to 40 year olds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oblong View Post
    He could be a left handed Marcus Thames for us. Get 200 AB's between DH and OF and provide power off the bench.
    Agree with this idea. Maybe not this season but his tools do have a role on a team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cioe View Post
    No, no, no, no, no, have you learned nothing from the recent history of this team? Give a two year contract to a guy who is a good baseball player right now, but is so old that by the end of it, he'll be 40? Sheffield? Come on.

    I have no problem bringing Damon back, but for one year. No need to get hamstrung with two year deals to 40 year olds.
    Sheffield didn't have the upside Damon has. I think he would be a good DH for this team, even for 2 additional years. He is a run producer and that doesn't grow on trees. His OBP of .440 is outstanding, and has a 16% BB rate. His EYE is 1.16. Yes, he's old and he won't hit for power all that often, but he's as good a table setter right now as there is, and we don't have anyone who can come close to these stats to replace him. And shy of a major injury, which if he's DHing we can hopefully limit, I think he's a good deal to resign.

    I don't think it's fair to compare Damon to Sheffield, whose skills had been consistently eroding for 3 straight years with the Yankees before coming here, or Guillen who has major injury concerns. Damon's OBP and AVE were better the last 2 years than the 2 before that. He hasn't shown any singns of erosion. Just my take though. I see your point, I just don't agree with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cioe View Post
    No, no, no, no, no, have you learned nothing from the recent history of this team? Give a two year contract to a guy who is a good baseball player right now, but is so old that by the end of it, he'll be 40? Sheffield? Come on.

    I have no problem bringing Damon back, but for one year. No need to get hamstrung with two year deals to 40 year olds.
    But he's only 36 right now. He'll be 37 in November, and would be 39 at the end of a two year deal. I think a two year deal would be enough to sway him to sign here. He brings a lot to the table just getting on base, he's not power driven value.
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    I'm still not convinced Boesch isn't Eric Munson
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    Boesch most likely scenario: He's Brent Clevlen with worse defense, and is soon banished to AAA never to be seen again

    Boesch best case scenario: He's a left handed Marcus Thames who can play a little defense

    Best case scenario would be a fairly useful player. If he could hit .260/.320/.500 and be adequately defensively (or something along those lines) I just don't think it's too likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cioe View Post
    I don't think he's an awful fielder.
    I haven't seen every Tiger game that he's been in, but in ST he was pretty bad. The one that really sticks out was the fly ball he took to the face, first time I'd seen that in person.....wasn't very pretty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler View Post
    I haven't seen every Tiger game that he's been in, but in ST he was pretty bad. The one that really sticks out was the fly ball he took to the face, first time I'd seen that in person.....wasn't very pretty.
    That's the problem with this. We always remember the ugly plays but never remember the thirty decent ones that follow.

    I'm no different: Scott Sizemore has made two boneheaded plays that I've seen this season, and those are the only ones I remember. Other than that, I'm sure he's been steady and shown decent range and whatnot, but I couldn't tell you any specifics.
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    It would be tempting to give Damon two years, but he'd have to agree to basically no pay raise
    to keep enough value for the contract, IMHO.
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    Boesch has DH written all over him..

    ...he'll botch the game defensively as he did last night and again today if he continues to play...

    Sure, he can hit, but, DH is where he AND Billy Butler belong

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonBenke View Post
    and Guillen gets the Nate Robertson treatment, traded (with cash) after spring training.

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    Guillen -- with all his injuries, has shown that he can't play the field without getting hurt. Bad contract. It's really too bad, and I doubt he's here next year.
    I can imagine Guillen getting the Gary 'released in Spring Training' Sheffield treatment in 2011.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cioe View Post
    No, no, no, no, no, have you learned nothing from the recent history of this team? Give a two year contract to a guy who is a good baseball player right now, but is so old that by the end of it, he'll be 40? Sheffield? Come on.

    I have no problem bringing Damon back, but for one year. No need to get hamstrung with two year deals to 40 year olds.
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    I hope they play Bosch alot this year so a good determination can be made for 2011 and beyond. This is the year to form a nucleaus while trying to compete for the division. 2011 is all about winning.

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    I think Boesch is a legit major league slugger.

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    Honestly, whats wrong with Boesch turning out to be a left handed MArcus Thames?
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