MLB Winter Meetings/Granderson Jackson Trade Thread

[JonBenke]

I thought we could have one thread for all the "hot stove" action. Not for the transactions .. of course, but one place where we can discuss all the rumors.

Trade speculation will surely heat up the next few days, mostly around such names as Edwin Jackson, Curtis Granderson, Gerald Laird, among others...


...though I think it's safe to assume that Miguel Cabrera isn't going anywhere!

[sportz4life]

Good call Benke..

[EatEmUpTigers711]

Tigers Notes: Needs, Cabrera, Jackson, Granderson: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com

As much as I wouldn't want to see Granderson get traded, I don't think I could pass up that last bulleted point in the link.

[bibbits]

crawford for granderson is an intriguing idea, but i just don't see crawford signing here without getting a taste of free agency. so, it would basically end up being one year and out!

[cruzer1]

I hate, hate, hate the idea of George Sherrill coming in a trade. The Tigers can do better from within right now. The idea of major league ready is all fine and dandy, but the Tigers need a fix of talent right now. BA has them as the #24 organization right now, with the huge glaring weakness an overall lack of athleticism. They can address that come draft time, and also pick up some young/cheap bats with some defensive ability. The Tigers should be on the verge of getting really good help from their organization in the bullpen. No need to waste more resources, when they already spent plenty of resources from previous drafts. End of rant.

[jonjd]

Grandy for Crawford would be the biggest heist since acquiring Polanco. If DD could EVER pull that off, then he'd be forgiven for at least the Nate extension.

No way I see it happening still however. Oh no, I'm getting pulled into the whole speculation BS.

[keystone]

Originally Posted by jonjd

Grandy for Crawford would be the biggest heist since acquiring Polanco. If DD could EVER pull that off, then he'd be forgiven for at least the Nate extension.

No way I see it happening still however. Oh no, I'm getting pulled into the whole speculation BS.

I can see it happening. From a money point of view it would solidify the Rays for the next couple of years. They also have a ss (Brignac) who would interest the Tigers. There would have to be more pieces thrown in but the essentials are there.

[tiger337]

My prediction: Jackson and Laird are traded. Granderson stays. I never took the Cabrera rumors seriously.

[Illitchitimate]

If the Tigers strike a deal with the Dodgers which swaps bad contracts, I won't mind the Tigers acquring Juan Pierre. Yes, I know he doesn't hit for power. But he's shown a great attitude in Los Angeles. I remember reading the article linked below on the day it was published last year. Thought I'd post it for everyone's consideration. There is more to a player than stats.

Dodgers' Juan Pierre playing, and acting, like a pro - Los Angeles Times

[Rob from Canton]

What type of value do you think some of our OF prospects hold ie Thomas, Wells, etc?

Maybe the deal Dombrowski makes involved one of them + a pitching prospect to bring in a SS prospect that is major league ready. Add a SS that way then it probably makes dealing Jackson easier because we wouldnt be looking to fill specific holes other than bullpen help.

[Los Gatos]

This move would be absolutely gut-wrenching, vomit-inducing. There's not really much more to say about it without swearing.

Kornacki suggests packaging Jackson and Carlos Guillen to bring Pierre and George Sherrill to Detroit.

Tigers Notes: Needs, Cabrera, Jackson, Granderson: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com

[Microline133]

Originally Posted by Rob from Canton

What type of value do you think some of our OF prospects hold ie Thomas, Wells, etc?

Maybe the deal Dombrowski makes involved one of them + a pitching prospect to bring in a SS prospect that is major league ready. Add a SS that way then it probably makes dealing Jackson easier because we wouldnt be looking to fill specific holes other than bullpen help.

Unless you find a team that views Thomas/Wells/Scram as more than fourth outfielders, Ramirez as a guy that can actually translate all his tools, or Boesch as a guy that will actually make enough contact to translate his power, then I don't think any of them carry a ton of trade value.

[4hzglory]

makes dealing Jackson easier because we wouldnt be looking to fill specific holes other than bullpen help.

Unless we want a chance to compete this season in which case any trade of Jackson would require us aquiring an at least league average starter in return or via FA.

[Shelton]

Originally Posted by tiger337

My prediction: Jackson and Laird are traded. Granderson stays. I never took the Cabrera rumors seriously.

This would be ideal.

[Buddha]

Originally Posted by cruzer1

I hate, hate, hate the idea of George Sherrill coming in a trade. The Tigers can do better from within right now. The idea of major league ready is all fine and dandy, but the Tigers need a fix of talent right now. BA has them as the #24 organization right now, with the huge glaring weakness an overall lack of athleticism. They can address that come draft time, and also pick up some young/cheap bats with some defensive ability. The Tigers should be on the verge of getting really good help from their organization in the bullpen. No need to waste more resources, when they already spent plenty of resources from previous drafts. End of rant.

Who do the Tigers have that is as good as Sherrill right now?

[Who is the Drizzle?]

Crawford for Granderson would be a mistake, IMO. I think they will provide similar production, but one is signed for 3 more years with an option for a 4th, the other is going to be a FA in a season.

Plus, I have no idea what that would accomplish for the Tigers.

[4hzglory]

Originally Posted by Buddha

Who do the Tigers have that is as good as Sherrill right now?

That's not the question IMO. The question is how does Sherrill provide the Tigers a better chance to win than having Jackson does since they will both cost about the same.

[TigersSlappy]

Duplicate post - also in the EJ thread

4) Do the Yankees have their eye on the Tigers?

Detroit GM Dave Dombrowski will be a popular man this week, as teams will be sure to inquire about Curtis Granderson, Edwin Jackson and other potential trade targets. The Yankees are interested in both players, though Jackson - a 26-year-old righthander who had a breakout season in 2009 - is the most intriguing.

He could be a much cheaper alternative if they opt not to trade for Halladay, and while he doesn't have the same track record, he is six years younger than the Toronto ace

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As winter meetings begin, Yankees GM Brian Cashman might not shop pricey free agents

[TigersSlappy]

Yahoo's Tim Brown tweets the "early market" for free agent reliever Kevin Gregg: the Rays, Nationals, Tigers, and Rockies. I imagine Gregg will get a one-year deal for less than the $4.2MM he earned in 2009. The 31-year-old improved his control a bit and whiffed more than a batter per inning, but allowed 13 home runs in 68.6 innings and lost the Cubs' closing job to Carlos Marmol.

With the Tigers and Rockies, the arbitration decisions of Brandon Lyon, Fernando Rodney, and Rafael Betancourt will be reached tonight, perhaps clearing the way for Gregg.

Four Teams Interested In Kevin Gregg?: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com

[Buddha]

Originally Posted by 4hzglory

That's not the question IMO. The question is how does Sherrill provide the Tigers a better chance to win than having Jackson does since they will both cost about the same.

I didn't ask it in those terms. Cruzer said the Tigers had better internal options than Sherrill right now. I'd like to know who the Tigers have who is better than Sherrill because I don't think they have anyone who is.

On YOUR question, I agree, I would be pissed if all they got for Jackson was Sherrill. Or Jackson and Guillen for Pierre and Sherrill. I think I'd throw up if that happened.

[Buddha]

Originally Posted by TigersSlappy

Four Teams Interested In Kevin Gregg?: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

[TigersSlappy]

Originally Posted by Buddha

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

well all the bad rumors can't be true....at least I hope not.

[Buddha]

If the Tigers came out of the winter meetings adding Sherrill, Pierre and Gregg while losing Jackson and Guillen, I really think I'd start planning for a summer overseas, because there would be no reason to watch Tigers baseball next year.

Well, other than seeing how high their first round draft pick would be. Hmmm...kind of like Lions football...

[MissouriKaline6]

What are the odds that the Tigers don't trade Jackson and or Granderson. One has to go, right?

[sportz4life]

Originally Posted by Los Gatos

This move would be absolutely gut-wrenching, vomit-inducing. There's not really much more to say about it without swearing.

Kornacki suggests packaging Jackson and Carlos Guillen to bring Pierre and George Sherrill to Detroit.

Tigers Notes: Needs, Cabrera, Jackson, Granderson: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com

Kornacki is like your idiot brother in law who doesn't have a job, who writes something stupid because he doesn't do enough homework or know enough to make sense. Since he replced Knobler tell me one single thing he has wirtten or broke that demonstrated he knows anything, he writes from Baltimore and treats the job like it's a part time gig. Ignore suggestions by Kornacki, Henning is Gamons compared to Kornacki.

[tiger337]

Originally Posted by Who is the Drizzle?

Crawford for Granderson would be a mistake, IMO. I think they will provide similar production, but one is signed for 3 more years with an option for a 4th, the other is going to be a FA in a season.

Crawford is overrated but should produce a little more than Granderson if you include baserunning. Granderson has a much better contract through so the trade makes no sense for the Tigers unless they are going all out to win next year which certainly does not seem to be the case. Anyway, the trade is pure speculation and the writer says so in his article.

[TigersSlappy]

Originally Posted by Buddha

If the Tigers came out of the winter meetings adding Sherrill, Pierre and Gregg while losing Jackson and Guillen, .

Don't forget Crosby.....

[tiger337]

Originally Posted by MissouriKaline6

What are the odds that the Tigers don't trade Jackson and or Granderson. One has to go, right?

Neither one has to go if they don't get a good offer in return.

[thefunk]

All I want is for grandy to stay. I woke up this morning feeling almost kind of sick, because I know if something happens to him it's going to be this week..

like I need ANYthing to make dead week worse than it already is. If Granderson is no longer a tiger before finals.....sigh. I just don't know.

[Los Gatos]

Gregg doesn't excite me, but it's not surprising at all that the Tigers are interested. If they lose both Rodney and Lyon, Leyland's going to want someone back there with closing experience, and the cheaper the better. Gregg walks a lot of guys and the spike in home runs this year killed him. And that wasn't a Wrigley thing as 9 of his 13 HRA were on the road.

All told, I'd rather go young internally than spend anything of note on FA relief and I definitely wouldn't be targeting one as a trade centerpiece. If they could get a guy like Kelley as a smaller part of a package, fine, but definitely nothing crazy like trading a good starter in Jackson for a reliever (Sherrill).

[sportz4life]

I mentioned this in another thread, I hope DD is patient making a deal for Jackson, he will become more and more attractive to other teams as alternatives disappear.

[Big Toe]

Remind me to never, ever, ever read the comments section at mlbtraderumors.

[Edman85]

Originally Posted by Big Toe

Remind me to never, ever, ever read the comments section at mlbtraderumors.

I always do, every bit of explanation on the Elias stuff helps.

[Los Gatos]

If the Yankees really want Granderson, I really want Phil Hughes on the Tigers. Grandy is my favorite Tiger position player, but I'm tired of hearing how we can't trade him because he's such a good guy. Yes he is, but seeing his regression this year, on the heels of his horrible end to 2008, this is probably the last chance to get a team to overpay for him. If a team's not going to overpay, I'd keep him, happily. I believe he's going to improve somewhat next year, but he's far from untouchable.

Most importantly, I think Hughes is going to be a phenomenal starter, and acquiring him would also make it easier to trade Jackson for hitting. I'm not talking CG-PH straight up, but Hughes being part of a bigger package.

Curtis Granderson

Curtis Granderson-OF- Tigers Dec. 7 - 11:19 am et

Joel Sherman of the New York Post writes that according to a club interested in Curtis Granderson of the Tigers, the Yankees "really want" the 28-year-old center-fielder.

If the Tigers are truly listening to offers for Granderson, the Yankees will be near the top of the list of potential suitors. The Bombers are correct to consider younger alternatives for their outfield while 36-year-old Johnny Damon tests free agency. Granderson is owed $25.75 million over the next three seasons, with a $13 million club option for 2013.
Source: Joel Sherman on Twitter

[Microline133]

If the Yankees are involved...shoot for the moon, start asking at the top of the totem pole with Jesus Montero and the like....and hope that any deal includes Austin Jackson so we have a replacement center fielder....

[TigersSlappy]

Originally Posted by Los Gatos

If the Yankees really want Granderson, I really want Phil Hughes on the Tigers.

What kind of package would Granderson & Jackson bring from the Yankees? I don't know their farm system at all.....

[pyrotigers]

Originally Posted by Buddha

Who do the Tigers have that is as good as Sherrill right now?

Sherrill is a reliever who's had two great years and sucked every other year in his career, he'll also be 33 years old.

I don't think it's crazy to suggest that the Tigers could very well have multiple relievers better than him next year, and even if they don't it's highly unlikely they'll compete until 2011 when he'd be 34 and the Tigers young relievers would have another year to mature

I hate, hate, hate ever trading for relief pitching unless it's a YOUNG elite guy, Sherrill is just pointless. If we wanted that production you could have just signed a Saito or Wagner for a year.

[Los Gatos]

Originally Posted by sportz4life

I mentioned this in another thread, I hope DD is patient making a deal for Jackson, he will become more and more attractive to other teams as alternatives disappear.

Agreed, and also for Granderson or really anyone else. If the Tigers are open to trading these guys, they shouldn't make the mistake of locking in on on one specific player/team and wind up overpaying themselves (i.e. Renteria).

These are good players - spark some bidding competition and either maximize the return or else keep them.

[Los Gatos]

Originally Posted by TigersSlappy

What kind of package would Granderson & Jackson bring from the Yankees? I don't know their farm system at all.....

Personally, if the Tigers are looking to move both Jackson and Granderson, I'd rather they split them up. I think they'd get a better collective return that way.

[Buddha]

Originally Posted by Microline133

If the Yankees are involved...shoot for the moon, start asking at the top of the totem pole with Jesus Montero and the like....and hope that any deal includes Austin Jackson so we have a replacement center fielder....

Hughes-Jackson-Montero for Grandy.