Edwin to be l-o-o-n-g gone?

eastside billee · #1 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 07:16 PM

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Tigers Shopping Edwin Jackson?
By Mark Polishuk [November 10 at 6:59pm CST]

Fox Sports' Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal are reporting that Detroit general manager Dave Dombrowski is at least listening to (and possibly making) offers involving right-hander Edwin Jackson. Though Jackson is coming off of a breakout season and is still until Detroit's control through 2011, Morosi and Rosenthal note that payroll considerations may force the Tigers to include Jackson in trade talks.

Cot's Baseball Contracts lists Detroit as committed to paying over $100MM to ten players for next season, and Morosi and Rosenthal note that $20MM could be added to that total once arbitration raises are factored. With staff ace Justin Verlander due for free agency after 2011, the Tigers may simply not have enough money to afford to sign both Verlander and Jackson to long-term deals.

In his first season in Detroit after being dealt from Tampa Bay last winter, Jackson posted a 3.62 ERA and proved himself to be a more-than-solid number-two starter behind Verlander in the Tigers' rotation. Jackson's 5.07 ERA after the All-Star break, however, might have been enough of a red flag that the team wants to sell high on the 26-year-old while it still can.

I'm not totally against this for the right deal.

ToledoTigerFan · #2 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 07:20 PM

For a top-flight catching prospect and a lower level pitching prospect, I'd trade him.

MissouriKaline6 · #3 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 07:23 PM

They have to get one major-league ready player for him? Right??

ballmich · #4 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 07:25 PM

Well, losing Jackson would leave the rotation awfully thin. But it never hurts to listen to offers.

irvink · #5 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 07:38 PM

Full story:

Sources: Tigers open to trading All-Star Jackson - MLB News - FOX Sports on MSN

RatkoVarda · #6 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 07:39 PM

I have no great objections to trading Jackson. But, just like trading Granderson, how does it help the budget? Getting rid of a $6m pitcher or a $5.5m centerfielder has minimal impact on a $130m payroll. Unless they attach Guillen or Miggy or Willis to Jackson (or Granderson), after a trade the Tigers are still burning money, but would lack one of their young building blocks.

I would just take the hit in 2010, hope people stay healthy enough to stay in the race, and make sure Miggy's 2011 option DOES NOT VEST!

sportz4life · #7 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 07:51 PM

Why is this news. There are few Tiger untouchables:

Porcello
Verlander
Cabrera

and who else?? Exactly ..nobody else.

Jackson was putrid post AS break, he is arbitration eligible and if someone wants to trade us players who will improve the team..I would listen too. Is the Tiger system stocked with so many position players that solid offers should be ignored,, It's why they will also listen to teams who want to discuss Granderson, but remember this, aside from the Renterai mistake, Dombrowski has rarely come up on the short end of winter deals.

Listening doesn't cost a dime.

zimm · #8 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 07:51 PM

2010 is going to be a lost year anyway. if we could get a very good, advanced SS or 3b prospect, I'd be ok with it.

Casimir · #9 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 07:57 PM

I say cash in on his career year and try to gather up some prospects. I kind of agree with the notion that 2010 may be a tough year to compete. Even if not, I have a sneaking (and uneducated) suspicion that Edwin has reached his peak.

Yoda · #10 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sportz4life

Why is this news.
Listening doesn't cost a dime.

Because it sounds like hes doing more than just listening.

Casimir · #11 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda

Because it sounds like hes doing more than just listening.

Thinking maybe Edwin + a sizeable contract out of town? Again, we don't know the budget constraints, so who really knows, but its fun to pretend to know.

kdog · #12 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:15 PM

Given the terrible deals they've given out to Nate and Dontrelle, you can't risk signing EJ to a deal thru arbitration. And a good way to get something for him is now when he still has years of arb left.

sportz4life · #13 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda

Because it sounds like hes doing more than just listening.

Dombrowski always listens, but this isn't going to be a salary dump.

Yoda · #14 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Casimir

Thinking maybe Edwin + a sizeable contract out of town? Again, we don't know the budget constraints, so who really knows, but its fun to pretend to know.

I'd be willing to bed Rosenthal is doing more than just speculating here. If he's writing that DD might be making offers to other teams, then there's probably something to it.

Yoda · #15 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sportz4life

but this isn't going to be a salary dump.

This I agree with. He'd be foolish not to shop around a player whose value is probably higher than it should be. My question is, who do we replace him with? We need to add another starter, not take one away.

Scottwood · #16 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:19 PM

Edwin's deal in arbitration will not be astronomical or anything. If he's actually going to trade him, I highly doubt the primary motivation would be to clear up some salary.

Casimir · #17 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda

This I agree with. He'd be foolish not to shop around a player whose value is probably higher than it should be. My question is, who do we replace him with? We need to add another starter, not take one away.

Gambling that Bonderman will be ready to go?

Hart · #18 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sportz4life

Dombrowski always listens, but this isn't going to be a salary dump.

You don't see rumors about him listening to offers on other players. That is why it is newsworthy.
It might be a little more than listening...it might be actual shopping.

I don't see this as a salary dump. I see it as more a way for the Tiger's to potentially sell high on a player while at the same time improving their team.

Yoda · #19 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Hart

You don't see rumors about him listening to offers on other players. That is why it is newsworthy.
It might be a little more than listening...it might be actual shopping.

I don't see this as a salary dump. I see it as more a way for the Tiger's to potentially sell high on a player while at the same time improving their team.

+1

clinker · #20 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda

I'd be willing to bed Rosenthal ...

That's going a little far, even for insider info.

Yoda · #21 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by clinker

That's going a little far, even for insider info.

I'm a team player. Whatever it takes.

kdog · #22 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:35 PM

Trading Cabrera's contract would be a salary dump. This is potentially doing a value for value move to try and improve yourself in the lineup possibly. You have to explore everything with the number of untradeable parts we have.

AlaskanTigersFan · #23 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:36 PM

Jackson was pitching OUT OF HIS MIND this year IMO. Trade him now! He'll never pitch this well again.

Motor City Sonics · #24 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:36 PM

Maybe they should trade Granderson...............oh, sorry

FloridaTigers · #25 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:37 PM

I have no problem selling EJ if they can sucker a team into giving up a couple prospects.

AlaskanTigersFan · #26 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:42 PM

*cough* ANGELS *cough* BRANDON WOOD *Cough* oh sorry.

Eric Cioe · #27 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Scottwood

Edwin's deal in arbitration will not be astronomical or anything. If he's actually going to trade him, I highly doubt the primary motivation would be to clear up some salary.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by FloridaTigers

I have no problem selling EJ if they can sucker a team into giving up a couple prospects.

How about a couple of good prospects? I think that Jackson pitched way over his head this season but even if he's league average next season, 200 innings of 4.35 ball is worth a good deal. I say field some offers, maybe make some inquiries into some interesting players. But I'm not sure quite what the Tigers biggest position of need is. Getting rid of a #3 starter sort of leaves the starting rotation as a position of need, in my mind. And truthfully, I think the Tigers would do better to add another front of rotation guy to a shakyish rotation than to subtract the sort of last line of defense before the very questionable back end comes into play.

Chicago is going to have a stellar rotation next season and Minnesota always kills you with depth if not top end quality. I think trading Edwin would make the starting rotation pretty suspect. But if they got back a middle of the rotation prospect maybe a year or two away plus another prospect, say a third baseman, also a year or two away, then I'd consider that very doable, especially if they lock Verlander up for a few years. Then you've got a formidable 1-2, two good position players already on the team, and some other pieces to fill in around them from 2010 to 2013 or 2014.

cruzer1 · #28 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:49 PM

I love this. The Tigers strength is their pitching, and they'd be dealing EJ at the top of his value.

sportz4life · #29 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Scottwood

Edwin's deal in arbitration will not be astronomical or anything. If he's actually going to trade him, I highly doubt the primary motivation would be to clear up some salary.

It's a sell high strategy. If he can regain the command of his slider, they could be selling low but Friedman and Dombrowski are two of the better GM's in baseball, ironic they would both be willing to trade a 25 year old pitcher who has won double figures the last 2 seasons and throws 96.

zimm · #30 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sportz4life

It's a sell high strategy. If he can regain the command of his slider, they could be selling low.

indeed

keystone · #31 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:51 PM

When has DD ever tipped his hand?
When has any sportswriter correctly predicted what DD was going to do?

It would probably take a top flight ss to make DD pull the trigger.

theroundsquare · #32 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:52 PM

Sell high!

Alex · #33 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:53 PM

Trading Jackson for payroll purposes makes no sense (IMHO). In a year Willis, Bondo & Robertson are off the books. So only if they get a large return. Though Edwin faltered a bit during the last 1/3 of the season he is also still growing as a SP with total innings pitched per season. Yes, he has been around a bit but he is still a quality/talented "young" SP (a possible no. 2 or solid 3).

Hart · #34 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Cioe

Agreed.

How about a couple of good prospects? I think that Jackson pitched way over his head this season but even if he's league average next season, 200 innings of 4.35 ball is worth a good deal. I say field some offers, maybe make some inquiries into some interesting players. But I'm not sure quite what the Tigers biggest position of need is. Getting rid of a #3 starter sort of leaves the starting rotation as a position of need, in my mind. And truthfully, I think the Tigers would do better to add another front of rotation guy to a shakyish rotation than to subtract the sort of last line of defense before the very questionable back end comes into play.

Chicago is going to have a stellar rotation next season and Minnesota always kills you with depth if not top end quality. I think trading Edwin would make the starting rotation pretty suspect. But if they got back a middle of the rotation prospect maybe a year or two away plus another prospect, say a third baseman, also a year or two away, then I'd consider that very doable, especially if they lock Verlander up for a few years. Then you've got a formidable 1-2, two good position players already on the team, and some other pieces to fill in around them from 2010 to 2013 or 2014.

Who is the other good positional player you are talking about besides Cabrera?

I would also a take a 4.35 ERA from Jackson next year. I don't think anybody would say the Tiger's should just sell him off for nothing.

Yoda · #35 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by keystone

When has DD ever tipped his hand?
When has any sportswriter correctly predicted what DD was going to do?

It would probably take a top flight ss to make DD pull the trigger.

There's no way they get anything close to that. I think DD would gladly settle for an average one. That would be a pretty good upgrade over Everette.

Eric Cioe · #36 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hart

Who is the other good positional player you are talking about besides Cabrera?

Granderson. Above average offense and defense for the position, even if he's not Sizemore or Kemp, is still good.

catswithbats · #37 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda

This I agree with. He'd be foolish not to shop around a player whose value is probably higher than it should be. My question is, who do we replace him with? We need to add another starter, not take one away.

We have Jeremy Bonderman, Armando Galarraga and Nate Robertson! We don't need to add anyone!

Los Gatos · #38 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 09:48 PM

It all depends on who we'd get in return, but as a general concept I'd be extremely leery of trading Jackson. He's still pretty young, and though his 2nd half splits were rough this season, he has improved across the board considerably 2 years in a row.

While I'm totally psyched at the thought of Turner, Crosby and Oliver joining the rotation in the future, let's face that good problem if/when we have to. Right now, Jackson is 1 of only 3 solid starters and after that, the candidates are very questionable at best.

In my opinion we need - really need - Jackson. So I'd have to be totally overwhelmed to trade him now, and that's probably unlikely.

tigersrok · #39 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cruzer1

I love this. The Tigers strength is their pitching, and they'd be dealing EJ at the top of his value.

Strength is a relative term, because their pitching staff is not that good.

Maybe Edwin isn't as good as he showed over the first half of last season, but if you remove him from the rotation, it doesn't look strong at all.

I'm not opposed to trading any player if the team can get value for them. But if he is traded as a salary dump, Dombrowski will have set this organization back with his bad contract extensions (that so many on this board continue to say have no effect whatsoever on the Tigers' personnel decisions or financial flexibility.)

Yoda · #40 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 10:02 PM

Broken.Record.