Polanco a Type A

[TWolve]

Originally Posted by Microline133

The Tigers won't offer arbitration to Polanco.

Why?

[Edman85]

Originally Posted by Microline133

The Tigers won't offer arbitration to Polanco.

Barring some kind of setback from Scott Sizemore, I tend to agree. It seems like Sizemore is the starter for sure and they don't want to block him.

[sportz4life]

Originally Posted by TWolve

Why?

Because the Tigers are concerned he will accept.

[tigersrok]

Dombrowski doesn't utilize the arbitration process to gain compensatory picks.

Just look at last season, Renteria was practically signed by the Giants and Dombrowski still refused to offer him arbitration to gain compensatory picks.

[sportz4life]

Originally Posted by tigersrok

Dombrowski doesn't utilize the arbitration process to gain compensatory picks.

Just look at last season, Renteria was practically signed by the Giants and Dombrowski still refused to offer him arbitration to gain compensatory picks.

what were the odds the giants would have signed Renteria if there was 1st round compensation involved.

[TWolve]

Originally Posted by sportz4life

Because the Tigers are concerned he will accept.

Would that be such a bad thing? How many errors did Sizemore make last year? If Polanco leaves and the great Scott Sizemore starts bootin' the ball all over the place...that's not going to be to cool.

We'll have to see if Polanco is offered arbitration. I doubt DD called up anyone on this forum an told them his plans.

[Oblong]

I lean towards them not offering him arbitration. That's not a response to the question asked because I am not an "expert". I get the sense that DD makes up his mind that he's done with a player, for whatever reason, and that's it. He cares more about the risk of him accepting than the picks he'd get.

[Glutn4Pnshmnt]

Originally Posted by tigersrok

Dombrowski doesn't utilize the arbitration process to gain compensatory picks.

Just look at last season, Renteria was practically signed by the Giants and Dombrowski still refused to offer him arbitration to gain compensatory picks.

Again, show me a time that Dombrowski didn't use the process when the tigers were willing to keep the player. Offering arbitration, you risk the chance that you are stuck with the player. All these players he didn't use it on, there was no way in hell the tigers wanted the player back.

I'm beginning to think this whole argument is moot. I think Polanco is going to sign elsewhere before the Tigers need to make a decision. I think he is more concerned with the term than the dollars.

[sportz4life]

Originally Posted by TWolve

Would that be such a bad thing? How many errors did Sizemore make last year? If Polanco leaves and the great Scott Sizemore starts bootin' the ball all over the place...that's not going to be to cool.

We'll have to see if Polanco is offered arbitration. I doubt DD called up anyone on this forum an told them his plans.

In any business there are times when you have to give young talent an opportunity. Heck even Boston and NYY weave in youngsters.

Scotty Bowman was a huge advocate of moving a player along a year early rather than a year late. Scotty had some success managing playing and assessing talent.

It's not like Polanco was an all star, I still see that bouncer up the middle and remember thinking the game was over. The unknown is always scary.

[TWolve]

Originally Posted by sportz4life

In any business there are times when you have to give young talent an opportunity. Heck even Boston and NYY weave in youngsters.

Scotty Bowman was a huge advocate of moving a player along a year early rather than a year late. Scotty had some success managing playing and assessing talent.

It's not like Polanco was an all star, I still see that bouncer up the middle and remember thinking the game was over. The unknown is always scary.

I don't necessarily disagree with you but we don't know what DD and Illitch are thinking. We don't know what is their internal salary cap. It may already be pre-determined that Polanco is gone because of payroll. But it sure would be nice to gradually bring Sizemore along. He may be the real deal. but we don't know. Sizemore was never a high profile prospect.

[tigersrok]

Originally Posted by sportz4life

what were the odds the giants would have signed Renteria if there was 1st round compensation involved.

No one will ever know. But there were strong enough rumors of Renteria's impending signing with SF that it was reported before the final date to offer arbitration that Renteria had already signed with SF.

Originally Posted by TWolve

I don't necessarily disagree with you but we don't know what DD and Illitch are thinking. We don't know what is their internal salary cap. It may already be pre-determined that Polanco is gone because of payroll. But it sure would be nice to gradually bring Sizemore along. He may be the real deal. but we don't know. Sizemore was never a high profile prospect.

I don't think the last point matters. He's produced in the upper levels of the minor leagues, and is deserving of a chance to play a role in the majors, imo. Polanco isn't a great offensive player, and is likely to decline, so it's not as if Sizemore has to produce on an All-Star level in order to come close to Polanco's production.

[4hzglory]

No one will ever know. But there were strong enough rumors of Renteria's impending signing with SF that it was reported before the final date to offer arbitration that Renteria had already signed with SF.

Yes there were, but the very well could have been contingent on him not being offered arbitration. If they didn't care, they could have just signed him before. I think in Renteria's case, it is extremely unlikely he gets that contract from SF if he was offered arbitration and as he had no value to the 2009 Tigers, it was a risk they could not afford to take.

[sportz4life]

Originally Posted by tigersrok

No one will ever know. But there were strong enough rumors of Renteria's impending signing with SF that it was reported before the final date to offer arbitration that Renteria had already signed with SF.

Right, but as 4hzglory states, then why didn't they sign him before the arb date. Professional baseball people know better. To even profer this point is pretty weak. I know for a fact your a lot smarter than this. Don't let your personal hate for Dombrowski, cloud your surprisingly solid baseball judgment.

[Los Gatos]

There would have been no reason for the Giants to publically sign Renteria before the arbitration deadline. Even if they had little regard for losing a draft pick, I'm sure they would have prefered not to if it wasn't necessary.

I'm on the side that believes the Giants would have signed him even if the Tigers offered arb. Sabean has demonstrated a degree of disregard for draft picks and prospects before, most recently including Alderson in the Sanchez trade.

[4hzglory]

Originally Posted by Los Gatos

There would have been no reason for the Giants to publically sign Renteria before the arbitration deadline. Even if they had little regard for losing a draft pick, I'm sure they would have prefered not to if it wasn't necessary.

I'm on the side that believes the Giants would have signed him even if the Tigers offered arb. Sabean has demonstrated a degree of disregard for draft picks and prospects before, most recently including Alderson in the Sanchez trade.

I think they would have reduced their offer to closer to 2 yrs $10 mil and he would have strongly considered accepting Arbitration, getting a minimum of $8 mil for 1 year (on top of the $3 mil we already paid him) making our commitment to him the same as what he would have gotten if we didn't buy him out.

I don't think they would have given him the same contract knowing they were going to lose the pick. While Sabean has shown he isn't as concerned about losing picks as other GM's, he has also started to take some heat for it and especially on the questionable Type A's I think he would have been more cautious.

[Glutn4Pnshmnt]

Originally Posted by Los Gatos

There would have been no reason for the Giants to publically sign Renteria before the arbitration deadline. Even if they had little regard for losing a draft pick, I'm sure they would have prefered not to if it wasn't necessary.

I'm on the side that believes the Giants would have signed him even if the Tigers offered arb. Sabean has demonstrated a degree of disregard for draft picks and prospects before, most recently including Alderson in the Sanchez trade.

Sabean had disregard for draft picks when they had a veteran laden team headlined with Barry Bonds. Since his retirement things have changed. WOTS was that Alderson wasn't the prospect everyone thought he was.

Every situation is different but I'm hoping your right and they go for Polanco.

[Los Gatos]

Phillies and Polanco...

Phillies apparently looking at 3 for third base | Philadelphia Inquirer | 11/12/2009

Quote:

Amaro has met or spoken by telephone with the agents for a number of free-agent third basemen. In addition to Polanco, DeRosa and Beltre, the crop includes Chone Figgins and Miguel Tejada. All interest the Phillies.

But Polanco, DeRosa, and Beltre appear to be the prime targets - for now. As always, things can change quickly at this time of year.

The Phillies are familiar with Polanco - he played for the club from 2002 to 2005 - and they know he would fit well into their clubhouse. Polanco most recently played second base for Detroit, and on Tuesday won his second American League Gold Glove in the last three years at that position. He is willing to move to third, as long as it's for a contending team.

Polanco, 34, made $4.6 million each of the last four seasons. Something in that range, in a one- or two-year deal, would seem to fit into the Phils' payroll scheme. Polanco is represented by Seth Levinson, who has a good relationship with the Phillies. Levinson also represents Raul Ibanez and Shane Victorino.

[PuNk42AE]

Anyone heard rumors of how much the Marlins are asking for Uggla?

[kdog]

Originally Posted by PuNk42AE

Anyone heard rumors of how much the Marlins are asking for Uggla?

For us? That dude isn't an infielder. Has to be one of the worst defenders in the league.

[PuNk42AE]

Well he just came out saying he is not willing to move to 3B or OF so he'd be a 2B where he goes. Although to me he's one of those guys where the O is more so to negate the D. Sort of like Inge's D makes up a very small amount for his lack of O.

[cruzer1]

Hopefully, the Phillies would sign Polanco before the Tigers could offer/turn down arbitration.