Ryan, Wilken Ramirez down, Lambert and Avila up!

**AlaskanTigersFan** · 08-04-2009, 10:14 PM

Holy cow! Avila comming up. Too soon?

**ToledoTigerFan** · 08-04-2009, 10:15 PM

I don't know. What's the source?

**Scottwood** · 08-04-2009, 10:15 PM

Yep. Totally called that one ;)

**T.O. Tiger Fan** · 08-04-2009, 10:15 PM

Lambert? Seriously?

**Scottwood** · 08-04-2009, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by ToledoTigerFan

I don't know. What's the source?

Mickey York said it on Tigers Live.

**ToledoTigerFan** · 08-04-2009, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by Scottwood

Mickey York said it on Tigers Live.

OK.

**FRM710** · 08-04-2009, 10:20 PM

Erie sports writer confirmed it as well.

Originally Posted by ToledoTigerFan

OK.

**KleShreen** · 08-04-2009, 10:20 PM

Wow. Maybe Laird is already done on the basis of defense alone. Haha.

**AlaskanTigersFan** · 08-04-2009, 10:20 PM

This will be interesting to see. Especially if Avila starts taking away playing time from Laird.

**pyrotigers** · 08-04-2009, 10:23 PM

Pointless unless Laird plays a lot less

**Scottwood** · 08-04-2009, 10:23 PM

You know, I can usually predict the moves Ken Holland and Joe Dumars will make. And, I could always predict who Matt Millen was going to draft. I can never predict what the Tigers front office will do with regards to calling up prospects. I'm shocked by the Avila call up.

**Lbh24** · 08-04-2009, 10:23 PM

Those in the know -- is he ready? I assume they wouldn't bring him up and not play him on a somewhat regular basis (at least Thursdays and Sundays?)

Either way, I'm excited to see him play

**FRM710** · 08-04-2009, 10:24 PM

Have to wonder how much of these moves, Ramirez first and now Avila is a search for offense. Desparation on the part of Leyland?

**hueytaxi** · 08-04-2009, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by FRM710

Have to wonder how much of these moves, Ramirez first and now Avila is a search for offense. Desparation on the part of Leyland?

Indeed!

**ToledoTigerFan** · 08-04-2009, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by FRM710

Have to wonder how much of these moves, Ramirez first and now Avila is a search for offense. Desparation on the part of Leyland?

The alternative was trading those two for hitting. Could Avila possibly do worse than some of the at-bats we've seen since the All-Star break? I think not. As long as Lloyd doesn't screw him up.

**InfanteIago** · 08-04-2009, 10:29 PM

Avila might just end up being stapled to the bench like Ryan was.

**tigermojo** · 08-04-2009, 10:30 PM

Strange since Avila has really been struggling lately. Lambert has been very good the past couple months.

I don't understand the way they handled Ryan considering they sat him for a week or two at a time. What did they expect him to do with such limited playing time? Calling up Ramirez for a game at a time is ridiculous.

**FRM710** · 08-04-2009, 10:31 PM

I don't disagree at all.

Originally Posted by ToledoTigerFan

The alternative was trading those two for hitting. Could Avila possibly do worse than some of the at-bats we've seen since the All-Star break? I think not. .

**sportz4life** · 08-04-2009, 10:32 PM

Avilla hit .220 in July and has slumped badly for a month. A little curious, but Ryan was not a Leyland favorite.

**FRM710** · 08-04-2009, 10:32 PM

If that ends up being the case it would be better to leave him in Erie. I wouldn't be surprised if this is another one or two day call up at the most.

Originally Posted by InfanteIago

Avila might just end up being stapled to the bench like Ryan was.

**FloridaTigers** · 08-04-2009, 10:35 PM

I don't like this if Avila doesn't get playing time. If he's on the bench like Ryan, it'd be a terrible move. He should be getting the most playing time possible.

**kdog** · 08-04-2009, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by FRM710

If that ends up being the case it would be better to leave him in Erie. I wouldn't be surprised if this is another one or two day call up at the most.

If it's a one or two day move, they have to add Sardinha back to the 40 man roster and call him back up.

**Scottwood** · 08-04-2009, 10:36 PM

We probably won't have to wait long to see Avila. He probably plays tomorrow night. Nice to see Lambert get the call but I am somewhat surprised they are taking him over Simons.

**FloridaTigers** · 08-04-2009, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by ToledoTigerFan

The alternative was trading those two for hitting. Could Avila possibly do worse than some of the at-bats we've seen since the All-Star break? I think not. As long as Lloyd doesn't screw him up.

I haven't even though of that. Man, Lloyd is a terrible hitting coach.

**KleShreen** · 08-04-2009, 10:37 PM

If this was a desperation move for offense...I think it's going in the wrong way...Ramirez brings much more to the table from an offensive standpoint than Avila. I would have rather kept Ramirez up and also bring Avila up for Ryan.

**Charles Liston** · 08-04-2009, 10:37 PM

I wonder if Wilkin left his car idling in the parking lot during the game...or maybe just double-parked outside.

**FRM710** · 08-04-2009, 10:38 PM

Thought the same thing regarding Lambert.

Originally Posted by Scottwood

We probably won't have to wait long to see Avila. He probably plays tomorrow night. Nice to see Lambert get the call but I am somewhat surprised they are taking him over Simons.

**tiger337** · 08-04-2009, 10:38 PM

I don't get this move at all. It looks like a desperation move to me.

**pyrotigers** · 08-04-2009, 10:40 PM

Lambert over Fien or Simons seems like a poor idea to me

I like the Avila move if he gets to play regularly

**atomicrod** · 08-04-2009, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by tiger337

I don't get this move at all. It looks like a desperation move to me.

I agree. Like calling up Maybin in 07.

**Scottwood** · 08-04-2009, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by atomicrod

I agree. Like calling up Maybin in 07.

I was thinking along the same lines.

**tiger337** · 08-04-2009, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by atomicrod

I agree. Like calling up Maybin in 07.

When I first saw the thread title, I thought it was a joke. It's probably just going to be a one or two day thing but I don't see the point of it. It's not like Avila is hot and they are hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. He has not been hitting lately.

**tigermojo** · 08-04-2009, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by atomicrod

I agree. Like calling up Maybin in 07.

Like potentially showcasing players for a trade?

**T.O. Tiger Fan** · 08-04-2009, 10:45 PM

Tinkering with the roster and trying out rookies in the middle of a pennant race seems like a bad idea.

**T.O. Tiger Fan** · 08-04-2009, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by tigermojo

Like potentially showcasing players for a trade?

Maybin's call up in 2007 showed that he was clearly not ready...not sure if it helped his trade value at all.

**FRM710** · 08-04-2009, 10:46 PM

The other question, and maybe I'm off base here, but why not Sizemore? Looking at the players in Erie and Toledo he seems like the one player most ready to contribute in Detroit. Why not give him a one day shot....kid deserves it IMO.

**Scottwood** · 08-04-2009, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by tiger337

When I first saw the thread title, I thought it was a joke. It's probably just going to be a one or two day thing but I don't see the point of it. It's not like Avila is hot and they are hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. He has not been hitting lately.

See, I don't think it would be a 1 or 2 day thing for him. Ryan cannot be called up for awhile now. Sardinha would have to be added on to the 40 day roster to be able to replace Avila up here.

I think this is a move that will see Avila up here for some time.

**pyrotigers** · 08-04-2009, 10:49 PM

Avila had a 16/22 BB/K and .769 OPS in July, it's not like he's Dane Sardinha

**Oblong** · 08-04-2009, 10:50 PM

Are there any other catching options? Maybe Ryan's a disaster with the pitchers, to the point where they don't feel comfortable with him out there, but know that Laird needs to rest 2 games a week.

For a desperation move how about........ release Maggs and call up Casper Wells?

**FRM710** · 08-04-2009, 10:51 PM

The other thing not being discussed is Laird's reaction to this. IF, IF Avila is not going to sit on the bench ala Ryan Laird can't be too happy. As we saw in Texas he didn't handle this type of situation too well.