Maggs breaking out of it??

[Just Some Dude]

He had a good game yesterday. I see him breaking out of this slump and putting up good numbers the second half if he is still here.

What have you guys seen from him lately that would tell you he's going to be ok or still going to suck?

[Yoda]

I think he's toast. He was bound to run into a good game at some point. I'm amazed it took as long as it did. I don't see it as a sign that he's turning it around though.

[Oblong]

Doubt it. How much longer until he reaches his incentive? I think they give him until the ASB and then dump him.

[diamondhead]

Yesterday's game was encouraging. He actually drove a fastball with authority, which to be honest, I can't remember him doing in a long long time.

That being said, I need more than one game to be convinced.

[caseyo4]

It wasn't the results as much as the swings. It gave the impression he may have figured something out. His past spurts he still looked lost and was still going opposite field.

[sportz4life]

WOW..guy hits one fastball and he's breaking out of it. Every other hit recentlly was off an offspeed pitch..dont get to excited. Let's revisit this in about 2 weeks after he has hit the ball hard off some righthanded pitchers that throw hard.

[Edman85]

178 more PA's...

[Just Some Dude]

Originally Posted by sportz4life

WOW..guy hits one fastball and he's breaking out of it. Every other hit recentlly was off an offspeed pitch..dont get to excited. Let's revisit this in about 2 weeks after he has hit the ball hard off some righthanded pitchers that throw hard.

No one in this thread is excited.. WOW

I just tried to be a tad optomistic that this guy can possibly turn it around.

[Oblong]

It'd be great if he had a huge homestand going into the break and the Tigers won 6 games.

But.......

[sportz4life]

Originally Posted by Just Some Dude

No one in this thread is excited.. WOW

I just tried to be a tad optomistic that this guy can possibly turn it around.

Wait more than just one swing, it's not a cheerleading site.

[Just Some Dude]

Originally Posted by sportz4life

Wait more than just one swing, it's not a cheerleading site.

Ok buddy...

[eastside billee]

Maggs = slow as molasses, can't field......drop him now instead of later.

[itsallgood8989]

Originally Posted by diamondhead

Yesterday's game was encouraging. He actually drove a fastball with authority, which to be honest, I can't remember him doing in a long long time.

That being said, I need more than one game to be convinced.

sportz4life WOW..guy hits one fastball and he's breaking out of it. Every other hit recentlly was off an offspeed pitch..dont get to excited. Let's revisit this in about 2 weeks after he has hit the ball hard off some righthanded pitchers that throw hard.

(sorry guys, don't know how to do a double quote!)

Agree with both points. My concern with Maggs is that he seems to have lost bat speed. Loss of bat speed can be either loss of physical ability or loss of onfidence. Only the coaching staff could predict wich is the issue. If he has lost bat speed due to physical ability, he is done. His age is when players typically lose bat speed due to physical ability.

If the coaches think it is a simple mater of loss of confidence due to personal issues (wife) or just a bad stretch that Major Leaguers have at times... the issue becomes much more difficult to figure out. You want to show confidence in your player, but you don't want a bad streak due to lack of confidence run right into a streak due to loss of ability.....

I still need to see more production from Maggs.... I will be looking for Maggs to pull the ball more, more screaming line drives to left. I don't care if they are caught, I just need to see his bat speed get around on a good fastball!

[Truth]

There have been some good signs the last few games. The DP liner was hit hard to the right side and he had a hit up the middle on Friday night. Yesterday he pulled a double down the line and the HR was to center.

He's looked so lost at the plate this season, punching the ball to right, topping balls he's trying to pull. That's not his game. I hope it's the beginning of a surge not the last hurrah of a great hitter.

[DET Mr Malefic]

Originally Posted by diamondhead

He actually drove a fastball with authority, which to be honest, I can't remember him doing in a long long time.

That being said, I need more than one game to be convinced.

Originally Posted by sportz4life

WOW..guy hits one fastball and he's breaking out of it. Every other hit recentlly was off an offspeed pitch..dont get to excited. Let's revisit this in about 2 weeks after he has hit the ball hard off some righthanded pitchers that throw hard.

I agree with both of these.

[Just Some Dude]

Can an admin please delete my account, seriously. I am obviously a complete moron and a cheerleader.

Ban my account and block my IP so I can never come back.

[Tyrus]

I'm just as encouraged about Maggs' game yesterday as I was about Dontrelle's gem against the Rangers. Call me cautiously optimistic...with an emphasis on "cautiously."

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Just Some Dude

Can an admin please delete my account, seriously. I am obviously a complete moron and a cheerleader.

Ban my account and block my IP so I can never come back.

No need to get all grumpy over what one guy said. We all have bad days.

[Yoda]

Am I the only one here that hopes he DOESN'T turn it around?? I just don't see him being anywhere near worth the money the next 2 years. I'd rather they used it elsewhere.

I will forever be grateful for what he's done over the last few years but it's time to move on.

[Just Some Dude]

Originally Posted by Yoda

No need to get all grumpy over what one guy said. We all have bad days.

It's not just today, just do it please Yoda.

[Tyrus]

Originally Posted by Just Some Dude

Can an admin please delete my account, seriously. I am obviously a complete moron and a cheerleader.

Ban my account and block my IP so I can never come back.

I know exactly how you feel. Some people don't know how to disagree with others without being sarcastic. It annoys me, too.

But if you feel like there are others on this site who do engage in civil conversation about the Tigers without resorting to cute, snippy remarks -- and there are many -- then why stop posting? Overall, this is a good site.

[T.O. Tiger Fan]

If he keeps this up for 7-10 days, then I'll be more optimistic. But 1 HR does not erase 3 months of below average play.

[Biff Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Am I the only one here that hopes he DOESN'T turn it around?? I just don't see him being anywhere near worth the money the next 2 years. I'd rather they used it elsewhere.

I will forever be grateful for what he's done over the last few years but it's time to move on.

This has been in the back of my mind for awhile.

[itsallgood8989]

Originally Posted by Just Some Dude

Can an admin please delete my account, seriously. I am obviously a complete moron and a cheerleader.

Ban my account and block my IP so I can never come back.

itsallgood dude! We appreciate your comments.... even if we don't always agree! Trust me, I know how you feel... been there, done that!

[Tyrus]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Am I the only one here that hopes he DOESN'T turn it around?? I just don't see him being anywhere near worth the money the next 2 years. I'd rather they used it elsewhere.

I will forever be grateful for what he's done over the last few years but it's time to move on.

I think the worst thing from a long-term organizational standpoint would be for Magglio to start tearing the cover off the ball.

But that would also be the best thing from a short-term organizational standpoint.

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Tyrus

I know exactly how you feel. Some people don't know how to disagree with others without being sarcastic. It annoys me, too.

Because you're perfect. If only everyone here behaved like you!

Just kidding. Sort of. See how I did that? I thought it was cute anyhow.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Originally Posted by Tyrus

I think the worst thing from a long-term organizational standpoint would be for Magglio to start tearing the cover off the ball.

But that would also be the best thing from a short-term organizational standpoint.

I agree with this.

[Tyrus]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Because you're perfect. If only everyone here behaved like you!

Just kidding. Sort of. See how I did that? I thought it was cute anyhow.

Cute is okay. As long as it wasn't snippy!

[apabruce]

For Magglio to be worth what he's being paid, he needs to carry the team for the rest of the season, just to make up for the first half. If he does go on a tear like that, the Tigers chances of a post season berth rise exponentially.

If he merely hits like he did in 2008 for the second half, I agree he needs to be released. That's not good enough to justify the payroll for the next two years.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Originally Posted by Just Some Dude

Can an admin please delete my account, seriously. I am obviously a complete moron and a cheerleader.

Ban my account and block my IP so I can never come back.

Nobody thinks you are a complete moron.

Just my opinion, but why let a negative post or even negative posts bring you down? Everyone gets zinged from time to time.

[Tyrus]

Originally Posted by Mr. Bigglesworth

I agree with this.

...which then begs the followup question:

Would you rather Maggs start "bashing the ball like the Serrano of old," which would certainly increase our chances of getting to the postseason, and maybe even winning a championship?

Or would you rather Maggs continue his slump so the Tigers can justifyably dump him, and risk losing out on a 2009 postseason run in exchange for having a lot more money to play with in 2010 and beyond?

I don't think it's an easy answer. Either way you're taking a huge gamble.

[Chopper]

Originally Posted by sportz4life

Wait more than just one swing, it's not a cheerleading site.

Really? I guess being pessimistic is your option but it doesn't have to be the way everyone else thinks. Why would you care if people want to cheer for Maggs anyway?

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Originally Posted by Tyrus

...which then begs the followup question:

Would you rather Maggs start "bashing the ball like the Serrano of old," which would certainly increase our chances of getting to the postseason, and maybe even winning a championship?

Or would you rather Maggs continue his slump so the Tigers can justifyably dump him, and risk losing out on a 2009 postseason run in exchange for having a lot more money to play with in 2010 and beyond?

I don't think it's an easy answer. Either way you're taking a huge gamble.

I'd prefer they dump Magglio. I think the Tigers can make the post-season without Magglio having an OPS+ north of 150 the rest of the way. I also doubt he can hit like that anyway.

My guess is acquiring a corner OF or DH, promoting Thomas and Larish, and piecing together a 5th starter by committee would be enough to take the division.

[diamondhead]

I think any thread that draws discussion is a good one.

[waffel]

1-2 good games is not breaking out of it.

Originally Posted by Just Some Dude

Can an admin please delete my account, seriously. I am obviously a complete moron and a cheerleader.

Ban my account and block my IP so I can never come back.

Welcome to the internet, you must be new.

[Alex]

If he starts hitting now he may increase his value to be dealt (if the Tigs feel it is not worth the gamble for the next two years vesting). This way a team gets a bat now and does not have to be on the hook, if I remember correctly, for the next two years. Possibly with the Tigs get something of value in return as well. ex Maggs to SF for Sanchez.

With all said the Tigs may just wish to keep him - but if he is just so-so this year for that price then next year...

[tiger337]

If Ordonez can help the team win this year, then I want him on the team even if he reaches his incentives. It's not every year that the Tigers have an opportunity to get into the playoffs so I want them to go for it this year. That being said, he needs to get hot for a few weeks before I'll be convinced that he's an asset. Yesterday, did nothing for me. Every hitter has a good day once in a while.

The worst thing that could happen is if he hits just well enough to make the Tigers keep him and reach his incentives but not well enough to really help the team. If he has a strong second half, that would be great. If he does crappy and gets cut quickly, then that would be OK. Something in between would be frustrating.

[Dan Gilmore]

I think the worst case scenario is Maggs getting hot for a month, the club/casual fans thinking he's really turned it around and then he reverts to craptastic levels, after the PA option vests.

As others have said, wait a week to see how he does.

[sportz4life]

Originally Posted by Chopper

Really? I guess being pessimistic is your option but it doesn't have to be the way everyone else thinks. Why would you care if people want to cheer for Maggs anyway?

I could care less..cheer away..wear an outfit..wanna discuss the reality of his baseball skills..they're separate. anything that helps the Detroit Tigers win I am all for..but that being said..it doesnt dismiss the physical realities of 300 at bats. One swing doesn't change that.

[tiger337]

Originally Posted by Dan Gilmore

I think the worst case scenario is Maggs getting hot for a month, the club/casual fans thinking he's really turned it around and then he reverts to craptastic levels, after the PA option vests.

That is probably Dombrowski's fear as well.