Zumaya out until mid season - Page 7

illmatic774 · #**241** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 09:09 PM

Yeah, this story reeks of BS, at least IMO.

Whatever, its not the end of the world, but its sad that we'll probably never see what hes truly capable of.

ToledoTigerFan · #**242** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tigersrok

I wouldn't be surprised if Zumaya/the Tigers are trying to cover up the real cause of the injury. The whole situation does seem a little unbelievable, like they are using the tragedy in California to their PR advantage.

And I'm not sure Zumaya will ever be the same. He didn't look to be the same pitcher at the end of last season, returning from his finger surgery, and now he has had another surgery to recover from.

Zumaya was OK, but his command was off. He was hitting 99 on the gun his last apperance, so before the "box fell on his shoulder", his arm was fine.

cruzer1 · #**243** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by illmatic774

Yeah, this story reeks of BS, at least IMO.

Whatever, its not the end of the world, but its sad that we'll probably never see what hes truly capable of.

He showed that in his rookie year.

LJK004 · #**244** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Shinzaki

Maybe a fat girl fell on him. A lot of guys are ashamed to admit that they like big women...perhaps Joel is a closet chubby chaser.

Perhaps he thinks he was slumping last year... Did Mark Grace ever have this injury?

grandma g · #**245** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tigersrok

I wouldn't be surprised if Zumaya/the Tigers are trying to cover up the real cause of the injury. The whole situation does seem a little unbelievable, like they are using the tragedy in California to their PR advantage.

And I'm not sure Zumaya will ever be the same. He didn't look to be the same pitcher at the end of last season, returning from his finger surgery, and now he has had another surgery to recover from.

You are WRONG on any coverup...talked to him last night....why does everyone "ASSUME" the worst?

sagnam · #**246** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by grandma g

You are WRONG on any coverup...talked to him last night....why does everyone "ASSUME" the worst?

Not saying that it's some sort of made-up story, but it wouldn't be much of a cover-up if he went around telling people what really happened.

lindzay · #**247** (**permalink**) 11-03-2007, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cruzer1

I'm guessing he was due for this injury pretty soon, that it was about to go. The good news is that they might lose him only for a half season. He'll need a long rehab. I'd shut him down for the year.

What was that look and that sound that Lurch made? That would be a suitable reaction by the majority of the fans.

( _?_) Kid!

billfer · #**248** (**permalink**) 11-03-2007, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by grandma g

You are WRONG on any coverup...talked to him last night....why does everyone "ASSUME" the worst?

It's not always a matter of assuming the worst, but skepticism is fine especially given the unusual circumstances of the event.

I hope Joel is telling the truth - and I have no reason to believe he isn't at this point - because using a tragedy with the magnitude of the wildfires as a cover up would be a tremendous lapse in judgement.

DaYooperASBDT · #**249** (**permalink**) 11-03-2007, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sagnam

EDIT: Stupid, inappropriate joke of the day. What has 9 arms and sucks?

Next year's bullpen?

Domino · #**250** (**permalink**) 11-03-2007, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by juiceman

It does seem strange that we heard on the 26th that his house was safe:

Notes: Zumaya's home safe from fires

But then five days later we learn that he hurt his shoulder trying to move stuff out of his house.

Based on the timeline, one would assume that the injury would have occured before the 26th. For an injury this severe, it seems like the gap is too long from injury to surgery.

He was moving things out of his dad's house, not his.

I don't understand why the consiracy theories so much. It seems like something that could easily happen and the injury is exactly consistent with something falling and hitting your shoulder from above. If you're going to cover up a story I would have chosen the Guitair Hero one over this.

Yoda · #**251** (**permalink**) 11-03-2007, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Domino

I don't understand why the consiracy theories so much.

Because people need drama and don't mind attacking one's character in orther to obtain that. :(

Casimir · #**252** (**permalink**) 11-03-2007, 10:24 AM

I'm going to side with the others that say its best to not expect Zumaya next season, and if he does come back, its a bouns.

Its unfortunate that it has happened, but in the long run this could be good for Zumaya and the Tigers. I say this in that it may force Zoom to become more of a pitcher rather than a flamethrower. If he does come back and retains much of his velocity, can we reasonably expect it to come back all at once? We saw how he struggled a bit when he came back in '06. And even if he does retain a top 90s fastball, this is the major leagues. Guys can hit high 90s fastballs if that's all that's being offered.

He's plenty young enough where he should still be viewed as a long term asset, be it with the Tigers or as a trade chip. I know the Tigers are in a win-now mode, but to rush Zoom back prematurely would be very foolish.

juiceman · #**253** (**permalink**) 11-03-2007, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Domino

He was moving things out of his dad's house, not his.

I don't understand why the consiracy theories so much. It seems like something that could easily happen and the injury is exactly consistent with something falling and hitting your shoulder from above. If you're going to cover up a story I would have chosen the Guitair Hero one over this.

It was his house.

This quote was taken directly from the mlive story (http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ss...rt_of_2.html):

Zumaya was hurt last Saturday, while moving boxes in his attic in San Diego. The wildfires that affected much of Southern California had come as close to two miles to his house, and he said he was preparing for a possible evacuation when a 50-pound box fell on his shoulder.

Oblong · #**254** (**permalink**) 11-03-2007, 01:30 PM

After I moved out of my parents house I still sometimes referred to it as my house. Seeing as I lived there since I was 3 1/2. Maybe he has another place with his girlfriend/fiance but said "my house" to a reporter.

Microline133 · #**255** (**permalink**) 11-03-2007, 01:31 PM

Richard and Joel -- to my knowledge -- both still live with their parents in the offseason. So whether it is referred to as his house, or his father's house....its the same place.

Casimir · #**256** (**permalink**) 11-03-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Microline133

Richard and Joel -- to my knowledge -- both still live with their parents in the offseason. So whether it is referred to as his house, or his father's house....its the same place.

Well, even if they didn't, isn't it a little much to expect them to flatly tell thier father "no" if pops did call and ask for something to be pulled down from the attic? We don't know all of the circumstances. Perhaps it was just a precautionary move in the even that the wildfires started up again?

Flukey crap happens. I thought we learned that last October?

Domino · #**257** (**permalink**) 11-03-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by juiceman

It was his house.

This quote was taken directly from the mlive story (http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ss...rt_of_2.html):

Zumaya was hurt last Saturday, while moving boxes in his attic in San Diego. The wildfires that affected much of Southern California had come as close to two miles to his house, and he said he was preparing for a possible evacuation when a 50-pound box fell on his shoulder.

I thought I saw some articles that said it was his parents house, but I was wrong it just says he was helping out his parents. Maybe they all live in the same house?

"If this means that when it's time to help his parents move boxes, he checks three times to make sure nothing will fall on him, then that's what it means."
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...711020408/1060

This one seems consistent with that too
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...711020421/1050

"Zumaya's father, Joel Sr., had been hobbled by a broken right leg, so the task of retrieving possessions from the attic -- World Series memorabilia included -- was left to Joel, the Tigers' fire-balling right-hander, and Richard, his younger brother."

Casimir · #**258** (**permalink**) 11-04-2007, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Domino

I thought I saw some articles that said it was his parents house, but I was wrong it just says he was helping out his parents. Maybe they all live in the same house?

Honestly, what makes the difference? I'd like to know because it seems to be a point of contention with a few folks.

sagnam · #**259** (**permalink**) 11-04-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Casimir

Honestly, what makes the difference? I'd like to know because it seems to be a point of contention with a few folks.

Personally, I just like having all the facts.

FloridaTigers · #**260** (**permalink**) 11-04-2007, 03:37 PM

Meh, who cares how it happened or where.

It hapened. He won't be pitching for quite sometime.

I'm just concerned he won't ever be the same Zumaya. This is the shoulder here. Are the 104 MPH days done?