Zumaya out until mid season - Page 6

T.O. Tiger Fan · #**201** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 08:29 PM

I have a bad feeling we will have to get used to Zoom being hurt quite often in his career. Just like Cubs fans with Wood and Prior. Some guys just can't stay healthy and I think Zoom might be one of those.

holygoat · #**202** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeytargets37

He's not valuable at all if he can only stay healthy for 1/4th of a season....

No doubt, but I wonder if throwing all-out every pitch might have put him in a position to be as injury prone as he's been since joining the Tigers. Having to pace himself might protect him in the long run.

One Man's Fool · #**203** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 08:49 PM

Didn't Zumaya get hurt a lot in the minors too?

sagnam · #**204** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ToledoTigerFan

Actually, he hurt himself playing the XBox Moving Hero Game.

That has me sitting here chuckling....

Microline133 · #**205** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by One Man's Fool

Didn't Zumaya get hurt a lot in the minors too?

Different types of injuries than what he's experienced to date....at the ML level, he's had the finger, the wrist from Guitar Hero, and now the box falling on his shoulder.....at the minor league level he had back issues in the GCL and at West Michigan, a sore shoulder at Lakeland and Erie, and a 'tired arm' at Toledo.....

sabretooth · #**206** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Oblong

Note to young pitchers: Hire movers or just let the crap burn. A $3000 couch is not worth millions in potential earnings.

Don't forget Joel's dad bringing the moral pressure here.

Let's try a little intelligence test.

You're the father of one of the best pitchers in the major leagues. Your house is in danger of burning. You need help getting some stuff moved out of the attic. What's the correct response?

(HINT: DON'T CALL YOUR SON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

monkeytargets37 · #**207** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 09:17 PM

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I'm curious why you say this. Fernando had a fine season in 2006, and once he healed up last year he picked it right back up.

If he's healthy, I have no problem relying on Rodney as the setup man. He'll blow a game here and there, but he'll also do the job way more often than not.

Of course, I'd rather have Rodney and Zoom...but that ain't gonna happen any time soon.

Rodney is just inconsistent. He HAS to be able to locate his fastball in order to be effective with his change up. A lot of times he doesnt have great command. His walk numbers arent awful, but they arent great either. And frankly, Rodney is fairly injury prone as well.

Between us never knowing which of the three Todd Jones's are going to show up (1. the guy who gives up 6 straight hits to blow a game 2.) The guy who loads the bases and then gets a strikeout and a double play 3.) The guy who gets two easy outs and then a warning track flyout) and the inconsistent Rodney, I think we definitely have to go outside of the system and bring in at least one good setup man.

I only worry about Rodney because of what I perceive of him from having watched him over the years. He seems to lose focus, makes a dumb mistake here and there, and sometimes even appears to not care. Granted thats all going on my assumption, but I just think he just struggles a bit when the pressure is on more often than we need him to.

MissouriKaline6 · #**208** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 09:18 PM

Man, just got home.. this really stinks. WTF... just ruined a great day.. wow.. I can't see how he will ever be the same.. shoulder's are just tough.. I think Joel has some bad luck.. GH now wildfires.. that being said, you have to commend him for putting family first..some won't, but I do..

ToledoTigerFan · #**209** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 09:26 PM

I didn't read this whole thread, so perhaps someone else mentioned this. Does anyone else think the story we're getting from Joel about how he injured his shoulder is a cover? A cover for what, I'm not sure, but the injury seems very catastrophic for having a box fall on his shoulder. What was in the box? Acme anvils or what?

Rickabobaloey · #**210** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 09:31 PM

An article by Michael Rosenburg over at freep.com claims it was full of memoribilia from the world series and could've weight 60-70 lbs. That much weight falling directly onto your shoulder could have very bad affects.

This is bad news. Just bad news. I hate to say it, but I don't see 'Zoom Zooms' future is very bright. Two major surgeries already? Might have another Kerry Wood syndrome here.

monkeytargets37 · #**211** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rickabobaloey

Kerry Wood

A guy I wouldnt mind the Tigers taking a chance on in a relief role

ToledoTigerFan · #**212** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rickabobaloey

An article by Michael Rosenburg over at freep.com claims it was full of memoribilia from the world series and could've weight 60-70 lbs. That much weight falling directly onto your shoulder could have very bad affects.

This is bad news. Just bad news. I hate to say it, but I don't see 'Zoom Zooms' future is very bright. Two major surgeries already? Might have another Kerry Wood syndrome here.

This ain't much, but perhaps it will temper your mood a tad. I found this remark in the one thread RSS started. It's by a doctor, so it's not some dude blowing smoke up our butts. Here's the remark:

"Joel Zumaya's shoulder problem, the result of moving heavy furniture in the face of the California fires, is a significant injury not normally seen in baseball. It's a football injury due to the traumatic nature, with the best known example being Brian Griese. The time frame given by the Tigers, a return at or near midseason, seems solid. Dr. Neil El Attrache of the Kerlan-Jobe clinic concurs. 'Six to eight months for a return to activity seems reasonable,' he told me. He also held out hope for Tigers fans. 'Velocity normally comes back.'" -- Will Carroll, senior writer for Baseball Prospectus

Rickabobaloey · #**213** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeytargets37

A guy I wouldnt mind the Tigers taking a chance on in a relief role

Uhm... no. Why would we?

billfer · #**214** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ToledoTigerFan

I didn't read this whole thread, so perhaps someone else mentioned this. Does anyone else think the story we're getting from Joel about how he injured his shoulder is a cover? A cover for what, I'm not sure, but the injury seems very catastrophic for having a box fall on his shoulder. What was in the box? Acme anvils or what?

I have no idea. It's plausible but suspicious, but that's kind of the nature of any major injury that tends to occur in the home to an athlete. That said, if he was reaching up and the arm was in an extended, or non neutral position it seems possible.

grandma g · #**215** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 10:04 PM

Their house was about to be mandatory evacuated due to the arson wildfires in California.....trying to save their possessions....accidents happen...we wish you a speedy & healthy recovery, Zoom.....

Euphdude · #**216** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 10:13 PM

I found this little tidbit on another Detroits sports message board - I'd provide the link but I believe that would be against motownsports rules...

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Wow, Zumaya hurt his shoulder while moving "items" at his home......More like Mr Zumaya was hurt while racing his YZF 450 at the imperial dunes on sat afternoon. I beleive it was about 2:30pm, when we ran into the mess while we were out riding. Z was placed in neck brace and strapped onto a back board and hauled away in a Medic-Rail. There was two rangers on the scene and just a handful of people. Moving Items, More like trying to out jump kid on a dirtbike.

Now - everyone knows how reliable the Internet is when it comes to news, so take this for what it's worth - a rumor.

Yoda · #**217** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 10:28 PM

Actually, Joel was out fishing. He caught a monster shark on the end of his line. Wanting to improve his shark tooth collection, he decided to reel him in. As soon as the shark got close enough, he leaped into the air, and landed right on top of Joel. Poor guy did all he could to get out of the way, but the shark had it out for him.

Sounds good to me. Who's next?

hueytaxi · #**218** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 10:31 PM

Tried to beat the land speed record with his fast ball?

T.O. Tiger Fan · #**219** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 10:34 PM

I heard that Zoom was pulling trees straight out of the ground with his bare hands in an attempt to clear cut the land and thus stop the fires from spreading. That's how he hurt his shoulder.

hueytaxi · #**220** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 10:37 PM

Ran down Nook Logan on a 1-2 steal?

Corky · #**221** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 10:50 PM

He was moving his Pez collection:

Yoda · #**222** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 10:53 PM

wtf?

Corky · #**223** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda

wtf?

That is the dirty, dark secret. He is a Pez-modder.

Truth · #**224** (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphdude

I found this little tidbit on another Detroits sports message board - I'd provide the link but I believe that would be against motownsports rules...

Now - everyone knows how reliable the Internet is when it comes to news, so take this for what it's worth - a rumor.

I heard Henning on the radio late this afternoon and he said that he had questions about the chronology of events. He seemed to be saying that something didn't add up in the story they were told.

JohnJMS · #**225** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 12:39 AM

Are we sure it wasn't another video game injury?

cruzer1 · #**226** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sagnam

That has me sitting here chuckling....

He's going to be in major trouble when Rockband comes out.

Shinzaki · #**227** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 05:21 AM

Maybe a fat girl fell on him. A lot of guys are ashamed to admit that they like big women...perhaps Joel is a closet chubby chaser.

lesgoblu02 · #**228** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 05:39 AM

Has the world ended yet? I'm stuck inside my office all night tonight with no windows. Surely, life has ceased to exist right?

DaYooperASBDT · #**229** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Shinzaki

Maybe a fat girl fell on him. A lot of guys are ashamed to admit that they like big women...perhaps Joel is a closet chubby chaser.

So is that what they mean by "rough sex" ??

DaYooperASBDT · #**230** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 01:48 PM

All kidding aside, I'm thankful the box didn't fall on his head, you can't always fix a brain. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

PS - did anyone say "Season Over" yet?

Oblong · #**231** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 02:10 PM

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So is that what they mean by "rough sex" ??

I'm learning sign language and the signs for rough sex and hard work are remarkably similar.

tigers84roar06 · #**232** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 04:06 PM

This is a good article:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...711020408/1050

Joel needs to be more careful with his arm. Hope it isnt a bad omen for '08...a season I think is gonna be a good one!

GO TIGERS!

pyrotigers · #**233** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 04:08 PM

Honestly if he really did hurt his shoulder racing dirt bikes or something and lied about it I would just find it hilarious

sportz4life · #**234** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphdude

I found this little tidbit on another Detroits sports message board - I'd provide the link but I believe that would be against motownsports rules...

Now - everyone knows how reliable the Internet is when it comes to news, so take this for what it's worth - a rumor.

My guess this rumor is 100% garbage..

sportz4life · #**235** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda

Actually, Joel was out fishing. He caught a monster shark on the end of his line. Wanting to improve his shark tooth collection, he decided to reel him in. As soon as the shark got close enough, he leaped into the air, and landed right on top of Joel. Poor guy did all he could to get out of the way, but the shark had it out for him.

Sounds good to me. Who's next?

Well I heard that Joel had been so impressive on Guitar Hero that AC/DC had asked him to sit in during a recent concert in Glascow. During a very long rendition of "poor some sugar on me" he was making a violent circular strumming motion as he did the splits in a duet with Angus and suddenly fell to the stage in horrific pain. The audience fell silent as they escorted him to a waiting ambulance. Now you know... the rest of the story..There was a rumor that he was arm wrestling with Mark Prior..but I will wait until I have confirmation about that one..

sagnam · #**236** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sportz4life

... AC/DC .... "poor some sugar on me"

Pssst. That's a Def Leppard song.

EDIT: Stupid, inappropriate joke of the day. What has 9 arms and sucks?

ToledoTigerFan · #**237** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphdude

I found this little tidbit on another Detroits sports message board - I'd provide the link but I believe that would be against motownsports rules...

Now - everyone knows how reliable the Internet is when it comes to news, so take this for what it's worth - a rumor.

Where did the person who posted that say he got his information from? It's interesting, but given Joel's nature, very plausible.

tiger337 · #**238** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 07:19 PM

The post came from a comments section on the ESPN site below the article concerning his injury. As they say, consider the source.

juiceman · #**239** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ToledoTigerFan

I didn't read this whole thread, so perhaps someone else mentioned this. Does anyone else think the story we're getting from Joel about how he injured his shoulder is a cover? A cover for what, I'm not sure, but the injury seems very catastrophic for having a box fall on his shoulder. What was in the box? Acme anvils or what?

It does seem strange that we heard on the 26th that his house was safe:

Notes: Zumaya's home safe from fires

But then five days later we learn that he hurt his shoulder trying to move stuff out of his house.

Based on the timeline, one would assume that the injury would have occured before the 26th. For an injury this severe, it seems like the gap is too long from injury to surgery.

tigersrok · #**240** (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 08:35 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if Zumaya/the Tigers are trying to cover up the real cause of the injury. The whole situation does seem a little unbelievable, like they are using the tragedy in California to their PR advantage.

And I'm not sure Zumaya will ever be the same. He didn't look to be the same pitcher at the end of last season, returning from his finger surgery, and now he has had another surgery to recover from.