Guys I DON'T want to see in a Tiger uniform next year.

FloridaTigers · #1 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:16 PM

Neifi Perez
Sean Casey
Fernando Rodney
Omar Infante
Jamie Walker (Go ahead, flame me)

Just my opinion. Who do you not wanna see next year?

jadefalcon · #2 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:20 PM

I'll take omar and walker.

I want Bonderman gone if it means we get Tiexiera.

I want Inge gone so that we can get a competant third baseman.

Jo3y · #3 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:21 PM

Fernando Rodney
Chris Shelton?

Jo3y · #4 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:22 PM

I know Ingle only hits .250 but his defense saves a lot of runs

estrepe1 · #5 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:23 PM

Jamie Walker is a serviceable LOOGY. I wouldn't give him a long term deal but I would offer him arbitration.

Omar isn't terrible as a backup infielder and he is cheap.

I would like to see Perez and Casey replaced. I wouldn't care if they replaced Rodney and Monroe.

MAROTH4MVP · #6 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:23 PM

Inge.

Anthony · #7 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:25 PM

Inge.
Perez.
End List.

Jo3y · #8 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:26 PM

I can't figure out why so many people are anti Inge?
I might not live in Detroit but I watch every game....

tiger337 · #9 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:28 PM

Casey and Perez need to go but at least one will probably stay.

Anthony · #10 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:29 PM

If thats true, Casey stays.
Thats a no brainer

ErieTigerFan · #11 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaTigers

Neifi Perez
Sean Casey
Fernando Rodney
Omar Infante
Jamie Walker (Go ahead, flame me)

Just my opinion. Who do you not wanna see next year?

Casey - wrong, unless we can land a guy who can ding 40 HR's and drive in 130. This guy brings alot more to the table in terms of his presence on the bench, his ability to get wood on the ball more frequently than alot of the free-swingers, and defensive ability he doesn't get credit for and Chris Shelton only dreams he had.

Rodney - well......kinda hard to argue, since there are still other good arms in the pen.

Infante - are you joking? Just teach the kid to go the opposite way, and he's a better hitter than Placido.

Walker - with you on that one, although he does have his limited uses, like pitching to one left-handed batter or two a game.

Jo3y · #12 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:30 PM

Doesn't Casey hit career .300? Also, isn't he a great clubhouse guy?
Why is everyone so Anit-Everything??

T.O. Tiger Fan · #13 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:30 PM

Colon.

ErieTigerFan · #14 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jo3y

I can't figure out why so many people are anti Inge?
I might not live in Detroit but I watch every game....

He may not be Mike Schmidt or even Brooks Robinson, but he's miles ahead in his career, and I'll take him on my team any day of the week.

Jo3y · #15 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:32 PM

Right on ErieTigerFan!! Made more unbelievable plays than any other 3rd baseman this year!!!

jadefalcon · #16 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jo3y

I can't figure out why so many people are anti Inge?
I might not live in Detroit but I watch every game....

People are anti-Inge because he sucks and he is primarily responsible for this miserable choke job.

I also want Miner and Colon gone. If we can get a league-average left feilder, I want Monroe gone too.

estrepe1 · #17 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jo3y

Doesn't Casey hit career .300? Also, isn't he a great clubhouse guy?
Why is everyone so Anit-Everything??

Have you looked at Casey's numbers here? Have you looked at his past 3 years in comparison with the kind of production that you would want from a first baseman?

I can understand why you would argue for Inge. Inge is fine with me because he is a bottom order hitter with a great glove at 3B.

Casey is indefensible though.

Jo3y · #18 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:34 PM

Lets just start over and rebuild!!! sell the farm!

Biff Mayhem · #19 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:35 PM

Miner
Rodney
Casey
Perez

tiger337 · #20 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:38 PM

Why do people still like Casey so much?

rhino · #21 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:41 PM

Niefe Perez.

One of either Monroe or Thames, they are both too similiar types of player to keep on the same roster.

I'm not crazy about Sean Casey, but I wouldn't dump him without a significant upgrade.

I have very litle confidence in Rodney, but, again, I wouldn't dump him without an upgrade in the wings.

rhino · #22 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:43 PM

Do we bring Stairs back as a platoon with either Thames or Monroe?

Oblong · #23 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:45 PM

I don't care who is in a Tiger uniform next year. What I care about is who is in the Tiger lineup and where.

The only guy I feel strong about not having back is Perez because he really doesn't fill any need. I'm not opposed to Casey because he could be a useful bench guy.

Jo3y · #24 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:49 PM

We all sound to hopeless. Lets be optimistic about these playoffs.

pyrotigers · #25 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 09:50 PM

Their are plenty of people I don't care if they come back or not, but the only person I actively *want* gone is Neifi Perez.

I would *like* to upgrade over several people, namely Craig Monroe, Sean Casey/Chris Shelton, Gomez/Clevlen 5th OF combo, and Durbin/Lewis/Colon/Miner reliable bullpen arm.

But Perez is the only one I really, really, really, want gone.

IdahoBert · #26 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 10:16 PM

Casey and Perez and Shelton. I like Inge for his bat and glove and think knocking him is wrong. A lot of the pitchers would be good trade bait and we know who they are. Ledezma, Miner, Tata, Maroth etc..Bonderman if we can get a big bat.

Buddha · #27 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by IdahoBert

Casey and Perez and Shelton. I like Inge for his bat and glove and think knocking him is wrong. A lot of the pitchers would be good trade bait and we know who they are. Ledezma, Miner, Tata, Maroth etc..Bonderman if we can get a big bat.

I agree.

Inge cost us the game, but he's been pretty decent this season, especially with the glove. And he can play anywhere in a pinch and his contract is relatively cheap.

Speaking of $$$, how much I want any player depends on how much they cost. I wouldn't deal Bonderman unless it's in some deal to get Miguel Cabrera or that type of young bat.

I wouldn't deal Bonderman for Texiera. Not unless they throw something else in too.

blue · #28 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 10:27 PM

I think it would be premature to get rid of Shelton. He's young and it's quite possible that eventually he'll be able to clear his head again, learn to adjust his hitting approach, and bat more similar to how he was batting at the beginning of the season.

Also, I thought Infante did a decent job as a bench guy. It seemed like he had more than a few extra-base hits and multi-hit games.

Walker is generally a pretty good lefty, especially when just used for one inning.

I'd really like to see the starting lineup become less strikeout-prone. I think the logical places to do that are at 1B and LF (upgrading over Monroe), and maybe 3B. Granderson is still young and maybe can become more patient and develop a better eye.

ewsieg · #29 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 10:35 PM

Manny Ramirez
AROD
Miguel Tijeda

(Note: I didn't want Rogers or Jones last year, and we got them both. Maybe the Tigers can tick me off again by getting the above guys.)

atomicrod · #30 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 10:43 PM

Tigers are going to have to be careful building their bull pen for next season. I don't know if they are going to want to pay Walker the amount of money he's going to want in his final contract that if you remove him, you have to find a left hander. Ledezma might be able to fill that role just as well for a lot less money.

Jones will be a year older, so expect some saves, a few more ugly outings.

Zumaya will either become closer or 8th inning guy.

So if Rodney is one of the players dumped, Detroit would need a very reliable late innings guy they can use to bridge the game between the 6th to 8th inning. I doubt that is going to be easy to find.

Middle releif should be easier to find or keep the same. Durbin or Minor could handle a mop up role if needed.

As for others I want to see no more of once the season is over.
1. Perez - No brainer there. He is terriable.
2. Casey - One thing I noticed with Casey, little diversion but will get to the point. One of the reasons it appears the National league is worse off than the American is because the advance scouting appears to be lacking. When Casey came to Detroit his reputation was a spray hitter than could hit the ball anywhere. After about two weeks, teams positioned the SS behind 2b, moved the outfield over to left and Casey stopped getting hits. He started flying out to the left fielder and grounding to the SS behind 2b on a ton of at bats. He's a great person, not worth the money and at this point, I honestly don't think he's as good of a player as Chris Shelton.
3. Jeremy Bonderman - If and only if, a trade of Bonderman gives Detroit a high On base % slugging player. If not, I would remove him from this list, especially if he comes though in the playoffs.

I thought about not commenting in this thread because I don't want to critize a team that is going to the playoffs. I'm disappointed they lost today, but it no longer mattes. I've had too much fun all year watching this team win games. All and all, I think this will be Dombrowski's biggest test as a GM. He's gotten a team to the playoff level, keeping them there and advancing may prove more difficult than building up from nothing.

estrepe1 · #31 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jo3y

Lets just start over and rebuild!!! sell the farm!

Yes because that is what getting rid of Casey indicates.

shabba4detroit · #32 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 11:34 PM

Fernando Rodney
Zack Miner
Neifi Perez
Roman Colon
Fernando Rodney
Chris Shelton
Fernando Rodney
Fernando Rodney

oh, and did I mention Fernando Rodney?

DET Mr Malefic · #33 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaTigers

Fernando Rodney[/B]
Omar Infante
Jamie Walker (Go ahead, flame me)

Just my opinion. Who do you not wanna see next year?

Absolute lunacy.

FloridaTigers · #34 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DET Mr Malefic

Absolute lunacy.

Infante had potential but was rushed. His swing has some terrible issues. Walker is the most overrated Tiger. Seriously, an 85ish MPH fastball? Rodney? Please, he is either on or off. He is off alot more often, and when he is off, its ugly.

Casey? What has he done for us since being dealt here? His stats are terrible. He is past his prime.

DET Mr Malefic · #35 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 11:55 PM

The only people on the team that I certainly do not want back are Casey, Jones, and Perez.

There are two players that I think could be traded for above their true value, and the Tigers would be the better for doing so. Those two players are Craig Monroe and Nate Robertson. However, I don't necessarily want both gone (well....I do want Monroe on the bench or gone, one or the other).

DET Mr Malefic · #36 (**permalink**) 10-01-2006, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaTigers

Infante had potential but was rushed. His swing has some terrible issues. Walker is the most overrated Tiger. Seriously, an 85ish MPH fastball? Rodney? Please, he is either on or off. He is off alot more often, and when he is off, its ugly.

Infante had a better season than Polanco, and people have acted as if Polanco was some sort of God. If Polanco is Aries, Infante is Zeus.

I've not seen Walker being overrated. It's tough to overrate a soft tossing lefty who manages a K/9 of 6.94 and posts an ERA under 3 in 48 innings. He's been solid for years and this year he was very good.

Rodney had an excellent season, I don't even think he needs to be defended really, I don't understand why people hate him. At all. Since I don't understand the criticisms, I can't defend them. He's been great.

FloridaTigers · #37 (**permalink**) 10-02-2006, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DET Mr Malefic

Infante had a better season than Polanco, and people have acted as if Polanco was some sort of God. If Polanco is Aries, Infante is Zeus.

I've not seen Walker being overrated. It's tough to overrate a soft tossing lefty who manages a K/9 of 6.94 and posts an ERA under 3 in 48 innings. He's been solid for years and this year he was very good.

Rodney had an excellent season, I don't even think he needs to be defended really, I don't understand why people hate him. At all. Since I don't understand the criticisms, I can't defend them. He's been great.

Can you prove that Infante had a better season? Polanco is much better defensively and you know what...we won usually when PP played. During Infante's time, wasn't there a massive slump?

tiger337 · #38 (**permalink**) 10-02-2006, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by FloridaTigers

Can you prove that Infante had a better season? Polanco is much better defensively and you know what...we won usually when PP played. During Infante's time, wasn't there a massive slump?

They had a massive slump that started before Polanco got hurt. It was caused by a large number of hitters going into slumps at the same time. It had very little to do with Polanco's absence . They played horrible this week with Polanco on the team. Was this his fault?

DET Mr Malefic · #39 (**permalink**) 10-02-2006, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by FloridaTigers

Can you prove that Infante had a better season? Polanco is much better defensively and you know what...we won usually when PP played. During Infante's time, wasn't there a massive slump?

I don't remember Infante having a "time". In fact, I was very angry about him never getting a "time". He played for about a week after Polanco got hurt and they traded for Neifi Perez, and it was then Neifi's time.

Furthermore, we won usually. Period. You don't have to add "when PP played". We won usually. Our team won 95 games. While it cannot be discounted that Polanco started in many games and therefore had his hand in the success, he had a terrible season and certainly was less responsible for the success than any other Tigers offensive starter, and was less responsible for it than Marcus Thames too, for that matter.

Polanco is better defensively, that is true, but again, he's not the second coming of Bill Mazeroski in the field, so let's be reasonable. Infante was way better at the plate and his positive contributions hitting compared to Polanco's I believe are greater than Polanco's positive contributions fielding when compared to Infante. Even if you cannot agree on that premise, it is at least equal.

I'm not ready to junk Polanco, because I think he was hurt early and that he may very well just be having a "down year", but the fact is that he had a terrible season and Leyland was foolhardy for keeping him in the #2 spot all year long.

slim pickens · #40 (**permalink**) 10-02-2006, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jadefalcon

If we can get a league-average left feilder, I want Monroe gone too.

Isnt that what Monroe already is? .250 BA 28 HR 92 RBI?