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06-04-2009, 03:59 PM #161
Another USC Trojan Enters NBA Draft
Forward Marcus Johnson became the fourth USC basketball player to forego college eligibility and enter the NBA Draft -- news that didn't sit well with head coach Tim Floyd.
"Kansas has two players who would have been NBA lottery picks, Cole Aldrich and Sherron Collins, and they are returning to school," Floyd told the Los Angeles Times. "Good for them. Our guys get an offer from Islamabad and they're gone."
Johnson's decision comes just days after he learned his petition for a sixth year of eligibility had been accepted by the NCAA. Johnson applied for the waiver because he competed in just one exhibition game during the 2007-08 season at Connecticut before transferring to USC, according to the Times.
Instead of taking advantage of the extra eligibility, Johnson joins fellow Trojans DeMar DeRozan, Daniel Hackett and Taj Gibson in the draft. Unlike the latter three, all of whom were starters for the Trojans, Johnson wasn't a regular contributor.
06-05-2009, 01:27 PM #162
UNC's Ty Lawson attends predraft workouts with Pistons | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press
UNC's Ty Lawson attends predraft workouts with Pistons
Point guard Ty Lawson from national champion North Carolina was probably the biggest name to workout for the Pistons this week.
Director of player personnel George David said this morning that 10 prospects visited the team’s practice facility for predraft workouts and interviews on Tuesday and Thursday. The NBA Draft will be held June 25 in New York.
Among the 10 was Lawson, who was the catalyst of the Tar Heels surprisingly easy march to the NCAA title at Ford Field in April.
Lawson, a lightning quick penetrator that excels in transition, would be a candidate for the Pistons’ first-round pick (15th overall). Lawson’s knock is his 6-foot frame and questions about his ability to play defense at the NBA level.
David described the workouts as a combination of first-round and second-round possibilities. The Pistons having three picks in the second (Nos. 36, 39 and 44).
Gonzaga teammates Austin Daye (forward) and Josh Heytvelt (center/power forward) were also among the visitors. Daye is a first-round prospect; Heytvelt a second.
Other prospects were LSU’s 6-5 combo guard Garrett Temple, USC’s 6-9 power forward Taj Gibson and Texas’ 6-7 forward Damion James.
All are considered second-round choices.
06-06-2009, 10:39 AM #163
Teague's Decision Becomes Even Tougher
HOOPSWORLD has learned that Wake Forest sophomore guard Jeff Teague strained his MCL and will be shutting down workouts for at least the next ten days. The injury, which occurred during a group workout in Minnesota with several other NBA teams in attendance, is not serious but will linger through the June 15th deadline for underclassmen to withdraw from the NBA Draft.
Returning to Wake Forest for his junior season remains a possibility for Teague as he has yet to hire an agent. However, Teague has quietly made it known that he's heavily leaning towards staying in the draft and according to his father this minor setback does not change that.
"I don't think this injury will alter that," said Shawn Teague to Jeff Goodman of FoxSports.com.
What could possibly alter that is if in the next ten days Teague doesn't receive the kind of feedback he's hoping for. Being a top 20 pick is said to be the deciding factor for Teague and as of right now he's far from a lock to go that early. Luckily for Teague every team in the 13-19 range is a possible suitor whose interest he can gauge before making his final decision. In our latest installment of the consensus mock draft Joel Brigham has Teague going the highest at 15th overall while Alex Raskin, Steve Kyler, and I have Teague going in the 21-22 range.
The point guard position is by far the strongest in this year's draft and while Teague could go as high as 13, he could just as easily fall to late in the first round. Although Teague's interest in staying in the draft is strong, he has to be giving some strong consideration to returning to school for just one more season.
Just two years ago current Indiana Pacer and former Kansas Jayhawk Brandon Rush went through nearly the exact same predicament Teague is currently going through, only to a more severe extent. Rush tore his ACL while testing the waters, which practically made his decision for him. The torn ACL ended up being a blessing in disguise for Rush as not only did he improve his stock during his junior season, he also ended up winning a National Championship.
Waiting for Teague at Wake Forest is really an ideal situation that could produce similar results to what Rush saw. Teague has the luxury of being able to play both guard positions for Dino Gaudio and a very talented team that with him has Final Four potential. The Demon Deacons were extremely young last season and return future lottery pick Al-Farouq Aminu along with seven others from their top ten.
Teague tested out fairly well at the Chicago predraft camp last week, but didn't blow anyone away by any means. He came in a bit shorter than expected at 6'1.5" in shoes and was mediocre in terms of speed. Areas that he stood out in for his position were with his wingspan and leaping ability. Teague has a 6'7.5" wingspan and a maximum vertical leap of 36".
This year's point guard crop is highlighted by Ricky Rubio, Brandon Jennings, Stephen Curry, Jonny Flynn, Tyreke Evans, Ty Lawson, Jrue Holiday, Eric Maynor, Darren Collison, Patrick Mills, and Nick Calathes along with Teague. Each and every one of them feels they are first round worthy, but we're talking about 12 point guards with only 30 picks in the first round. Only so many are going to be taken and inevitably some players are going to slip, with Teague being a prime candidate to do so.
The depth at point guard won't factor into Teague's decision at all though if he can get the highly-coveted promise from a team picking in the range where he wants to be selected. That would remove the uncertainty from Teague's status, but unless that promise comes Wake Forest is definitely his best option.
06-06-2009, 11:05 AM #164MotownSports Fan
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Terrance Williams dream.
So here's my NBA dream I was drafted #7 by golden state an traded to the pistons on draft night my first points was game winner to beat cavs
06-08-2009, 10:23 AM #165
Thabeet's Skill Set Could Be Limited
We're still 2 1/2 weeks away from the June 25 NBA Draft, but the league's rumor mill already claims to know which player the Thunder will select with the third overall pick.
It's no question that Thabeet fits the Thunder's most pressing need of interior defense. What's up for debate is whether OKC can afford to take a chance on Thabeet's limited skill set with such a high pick. Thabeet isn't likely to come in and supplant Nenad Krstic as the starter. The Thunder would be banking on the 22-year-old Thabeet to develop into a more complete player down the road. But assuming Robert Swift doesn't return, Thabeet would give the Thunder some much-needed frontcourt depth behind Krstic and its only player who would make opponents think twice about coming into the lane.
06-08-2009, 10:24 AM #166
Medical Concerns on DeJuan Blair, Others?
The medicals of various NBA draft prospects, including Missouri’s DeMarre Carroll, who may need a liver transplant in the near or long-term future, DeJuan Blair, whose knees and arthritic condition are a major concern to certain teams, and A.J. Price, who reportedly still has an aneurysm in an artery of his brain that could become a serious issue later in his career.
06-08-2009, 10:25 AM #167
Is Jordan Hill's Stock Falling?
Jordan Hill potentially slipping into the bottom of the top-10 or even possibly slightly beyond. The talk is that the Washington Wizards’ 5th pick could very well end up being claimed by Stephen Curry (whether for them or another team trading up), and that since Minnesota, Golden State, New York and maybe even Toronto appear to be looking at other positional needs, Hill could be on the short end of the stick come draft night.
06-08-2009, 12:17 PM #168Medical Concerns on DeJuan Blair, OthersMatt Millen never left Detroit - he just started wearing a very convincing Joe Dumars costume.
06-08-2009, 01:47 PM #169
RealGM: Basketball Wiretap Archives: Report: Blazers Will Trade Rodriguez To Knicks On Draft Night
Report: Blazers Will Trade Rodriguez To Knicks On Draft Night
According to a report from Yahoo-Eurosport, the Knicks will acquire Sergio Rodriguez in a draft night trade.
Sources from the Knicks say the two sides have had a deal agreed upon for almost three weeks.
Mike D'Antoni is reportedly driving the interest in the Portland point guard.
06-08-2009, 11:36 PM #170
If Earl Clark slips, might be too good for Detroit to pass on - Detroit Pistons Basketball: News, Blogs, Photos, Audio, Schedule & Stats - MLive.com
If Earl Clark slips, might be too good for Detroit to pass on
by A. Sherrod Blakely
Monday June 08, 2009, 4:39 PM
AUBURN HILLS -- Standing 6-foot-10 and some change with shoes on, Louisville's Earl Clark doesn't exploit the mismatch he seems to have just about every time he steps on the floor as often as a player with his talent should.
Clark is considered one of the best small forwards in this draft class because at his size and versatility, there's no other player in the draft quite like him.
But the biggest knock against him - consistency - is why there are varying opinions as to where he might be selected.
Once considered a top-10 lock, there are some mock drafts that see the 21-year-old slipping into the late teens.
A fall of that magnitude is highly unlikely, especially with the Pistons sitting on the No. 15 overall pick.
Drafting Clark by no means would solve the many problems that contributed to Detroit's first losing season in nearly a decade.
But when you're coming off a season like that, adding a player of Clark's skillset in the middle of the first round might be too good an opportunity to pass on.
Here's the skinny on Earl Clark:
Last season's stats: 14.2 points, 8.7 rebounds and 3.2 assists while shooting 45.7 percent from the field, and 32.6 percent on 3-pointers.
Strengths: Superb athleticism; one of the quickest first steps to the basket you'll see among players in this year's draft class; his favorite post move is a fade-away jumper that, because of his length, is nearly impossible to defend.
Weaknesses: Inconsistent shooter; doesn't look comfortable when forced to put the ball on the floor and make a play for himself; relies too much on his perimeter shooting.
Projected draft position: A probable lottery-pick who will fall no further than the middle of the first round.
06-09-2009, 01:40 PM #171
RealGM: Basketball Wiretap Archives: Boston, Houston And New York Want 2nd Overall Pick
Boston, Houston And New York Want 2nd Overall Pick
The Grizzlies have been approached by several teams about acquiring the second overall pick. Boston, Houston and New York are said to be among the most recent suitors.
Boston and Houston would likely have to offer an established NBA player or two, given that neither team owns a first-round pick. New York owns the eighth pick and likely would want to move up for the opportunity to take Ricky Rubio.
06-09-2009, 01:42 PM #172
Ricky Rubio Seeks to Have Buyout Reduced
"Now it looks like we put a gun to his head to sign the contract," (DKV Joventut President Jordy Villacampa) said, according to the Spanish news agency EFE. "He was young, but he didn't come [to the table] all by himself and defenseless to see what we were going to do with him. We gave him the opportunity to develop as a player in the ACB, to grow as a player, to become an Olympian with the National Team -- he has accomplished these feats via the Joventut. That's what it is, that's what is signed and we will defend it."
The source told ESPN.com that Spanish law allows an athlete to terminate his contract with a team and then pay an indemnity (or buyout) to his team. Both Spanish law and FIBA regulations allow for Rubio to get his letter of clearance to play in the NBA before the amount of the indemnity amount is determined.
If an arbitrator agrees with Rubio and lowers the buyout, Rubio would likely be headed to the NBA next season. If the arbitrator rules that Rubio's indemnity payment to the Joventut is reasonable, it may convince Rubio to stay in Spain another year.
Villacampa said he was willing to lower Rubio's buyout by 50 percent for 2010 if he stayed, but legal action may complicate things.
"I don't know if ethically it will look good that a player who has sued us can keep playing with Joventut; it's really strange," he said.
In the meantime, Rubio plans to arrive with his family in the United States on June 13. Rubio has yet to schedule visits with any team, according to the source.
The source said it's likely that Rubio and his camp will skip visits to Memphis. The Grizzlies hold the No. 2 pick, but the source said Rubio is leery about playing in Memphis after two other Spanish players -- Pau Gasol and Juan Carlos Navarro -- had bad experiences there
06-09-2009, 05:10 PM #173
Let me preface this as I always do in this thread: I know nothing about college players and get my little info from youtube videos and draft sites.
That said, isn't Earl Clark yet another player who'll try to finish with finesse from a power position. He'll fade away or lay the ball up instead of going strong, creating contact, and finishing at the line. I guess if he can play SF, I'd be intersted, but other than that I'd like to see us go after power and defense. I'm so tired of soft players that fade away, especially at the PF or C position.Matt Millen never left Detroit - he just started wearing a very convincing Joe Dumars costume.
06-10-2009, 10:27 AM #174
Rockets Trading Up for Thabeet or Rubio?
The Memphis Commercial-Appeal is running an interesting story today, saying that the Houston Rockets and Boston Celtics have each contacted the Memphis Grizzlies to discuss what it would take to land the #2 overall pick. Supposedly, Ricky Rubio is the subject of the Rockets' and Celtics' affections, which certainly raises some eyebrows. After all, the Celtics just witnessed a break-out season from Rajon Rondo and the Rockets had their best postseason success in over a decade after turning the reins over to Aaron Brooks.
It's hard to imagine the Rockets taking Rubio, but it's easy to see why they would be interested in the pick. The Rockets are in search of a center and a shooting guard this summer, and they could have eyes for either James Harden or Hasheem Thabeet. Thabeet's skill set is very much like Dikembe Mutombo's, and Mutombo was an invaluable part of Houston's success until a knee injury forced him to retire.
As for the Celtics, Harden would be a nice fit there, as well, especially if they're serious about entertaining offers for Ray Allen. If not Harden, they could see Jordan Hill as a replacement for Glen Davis in the event they are unable to re-sign him.
The New York Knicks have also reached out to discuss acquiring the #2, which they would most certainly use to draft Rubio. They've made it more than clear that they'll take a point guard, whether that's with their own #8 pick, or with a pick they acquire higher up.
Stay tuned to HOOPSWORLD as we continue to follow the drama surrounding the possible trade of the #2 overall pick in the 2009 NBA Draft.
06-10-2009, 09:05 PM #175
06-12-2009, 06:32 PM #176
Detroit Pistons conclude biggest week of workouts - Detroit Pistons Basketball: News, Blogs, Photos, Audio, Schedule & Stats - MLive.com
Detroit Pistons conclude biggest week of workouts
by A. Sherrod Blakely
Friday June 12, 2009, 3:18 PM
AUBURN HILLS - It's a busy time of year for the Detroit Pistons, who brought in 31 players - the most they have brought in up to this point - for workouts this week.
George David, Detroit's director of player personnel, said this week's workouts covered players under consideration for Detroit's No. 15 pick, as well as the team's three picks in the second round.
Some of the likely first-round picks brought in this week include 6-10 small forward Earl Clark of Louisville; 6-10 power forward Tyler Hansborough of North Carolina; 6-7 power forward Dejuan Blair of Pitt; and 7-1 center B.J. Mullens of Ohio State.
Among the potential second-round picks brought in, players to keep an eye on include
6-2 combo guard Tony Douglas of Florida State; 6-9 forward DaJuan Summers of Georgetown; 7-1 center Luke Nevill of Utah; 6-2 point guard A.J. Price of UConn; and 6-5 shooting guard Sergei Gladyr of the Ukraine.
06-12-2009, 06:45 PM #177MotownSports Fan
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I could live with Earl Clark, he could turn out to be a real sleeper.
06-13-2009, 11:10 AM #178
RealGM: Basketball Wiretap Archives: Jennings: Rubio Is Overhyped
Jennings: Rubio Is Overhyped
Brandon Jennings believes fellow 2009 draftee Ricky Rubio is an overhyped prospect.
"Well, put it like this: If he was in a workout with me [and fellow point-guard prospects] Jonny Flynn, Jrue Holiday, Tywon Lawson, Stephen Curry, he wouldn't probably be at the top," Jennings said Friday.
When asked if he thought Rubio, who has received great attention but has not worked out for NBA teams, is all hype, he said without hesitation, "Yes. Because he played in the Olympics, he's been playing pro ball since he was like 14. So there it is right there. ... I can't wait to play him, though, in summer league. I'm just letting you know that now. I can't wait.
"Yeah, I think I'm a better player than he is. I just shoot the ball better than he can. The only thing I've seen him do sometimes is when he has a home-run pass or something like that. I think the dude is just all hype. I can't even front. I'm just going to be real with you guys."
Barcelona, Spain Trip & Euro League Game | When in Rome
Now to what everyone wants to hear about, the game and the matchup with Ricky. Unfortunately Ricky only played about 8mins cause he’s still kind of hurt from a wrist injury he suffered in the Gold Medal game vs. Team USA, but in just 8mins he showed me a lot. I have a ton of respect for the dude. He’s real mature out there on the court, he has a great feel for the game. He passes the ball like crazy, reminds me of Steve Nash a little bit. Put it like this if he were in the class of 09 in high school basketball he would be the #1 player hands down. No question about it. I can only hope that when Ricky and I one day get to the NBA we can be like Chris Paul and Deron Williams, as our careers take off together like CP3 & D Will’s did. Despite what the critics say that he can’t shoot Ricky is going to be going a Great NBA player someday…he brings a complete game to the table.
06-14-2009, 01:45 AM #179MotownSports Fan
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A versatile 4/3 with great natural tools and considerable potential.
Has a great frame and is a superb athlete. Likes to face the basket and put the ball on the floor, showing nice court vision. Can score around the rim moving off the ball or beating players in the post thanks to his quickness.
Has a very inconsistent jumper, and poor shot-selection to boot. Solid rebounder and terrific defender at either forward spot. Lacks considerable polish offensively and isn't as prolific a scorer as you might hope. Has
a tendency to coast at times and appears to lack mental and physical toughness.
06-14-2009, 11:23 PM #180MotownSports Fan
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06-15-2009, 02:38 AM #181
RealGM: Basketball Wiretap Archives: Jennings: I'm Just Trying To Hype The Draft
Jennings: I'm Just Trying To Hype The Draft
Brandon Jennings used his Twitter page to explain his recent comments about fellow prospect Ricky Rubio.
Jennings said earlier this week that he felt as though Rubio was underrated.
"With my comment bout Rubio, im just tryin hype the draft up a lil, make the summer league something everybody wanna see," Jennings wrote.
06-15-2009, 09:59 AM #182
Austin Daye, Omri Casspi Battle in NJ
Comments from observers in the gym:
“Austin Daye vs. Omri Casspi turned into a real wrestling match. Casspi just manhandled Daye, really threw him around. It was a bit disappointing to see how little Daye was able to compete from a strength perspective—Casspi is a kind of a skinny guy himself. At one point Casspi cut Daye’s lip open--he had to go to hospital for stitches. The Nets should have done a better job of getting someone to call fouls. Casspi was fouling the hell out of Daye. Some of the guys were looking at each other like ‘what are we watching here?’
Casspi was impressive, just like he’s been everywhere he’s gone. He plays hard, competes. He hit tough shots. Step-backs, runners. Then he missed some wide open J’s—go figure. He hits the toughest shots, but can’t always make the easiest ones. He looked like he could be a great complementary player in a 5 on 5. Definitely an atypical player for a European. “
06-15-2009, 10:26 AM #183
A couple of guys I've seen linked to Detroit in various mock drafts, Gani Lawal and Damion James, pulled out of the draft over the weekend.
http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/9...from-NBA-draft"A little slap 'n pickle. I'm drunk, you're drunk, everybody's drunk!" - Barry Badrinath
06-16-2009, 10:08 AM #184
DraftExpress: Word on the Street, June 16th
-The Sacramento Kings are doing their best to convince people that they have Tyreke Evans at the top of their board, even going as far as to tell Evans as much in their workout last week. Most NBA people we speak to believe that this is nothing more than them “blowing smoke" in order to give themselves a backup plan in case Rubio is gone at #2 or #3, and also to “stir the pot” amongst Rubio’s camp. The Kings would very likely want Rubio to work out for them rather than just conduct a meet and greet, but as of right now there are no plans for that.
-In the unlikely case that Rubio slips past Sacramento, it appears that Washington will not hesitate to pick him if they feel like he’s indeed the best player on their draft board. The prevailing sentiment at the moment is that Rubio is not in a position to return to Joventut, and that he may have lost some of the leverage he once had by keeping his name in the draft and suing his former team.
Many feel like Rubio would be a good fit in Washington playing alongside Gilbert Arenas, but Rubio’s camp apparently does not agree with that notion at all.
-Don’t be surprised to see players start working out for teams that appear to be slightly outside their draft range on first glance, in hopes of finding the best possible fit. Jrue Holiday for example is working out for the Indiana Pacers at #13, while James Johnson will be in Salt Lake City next week working out for the Jazz, who hold the #20 pick.
-We’re hearing that DeJuan Blair is in pretty good shape at the moment, and he continues to have very strong workouts that are easing the concerns teams have about his knee. Blair’s draft range looks pretty steady between 12 and 16, although he will work out for teams above and below those picks. Don’t be surprised to see a team like Oklahoma City or Portland try to make a move for him on draft night, as both organizations are reportedly very high on him.
-Does B.J. Mullens have a promise from Chicago at 16? That doesn’t seem to make a great deal of sense considering that he’s working out for Philadelphia at 17 later this week…The talk of a promise started once Mullens pulled out of the New Jersey Nets group workout, but it’s possible he just didn’t want to deal with the prospect of matching up with Luke Nevill again. Mullens really struggled in the two previous group workouts that they went head to head.
-The Oklahoma City Thunder are reportedly in Los Angeles right now visiting with Hasheem Thabeet and watching him work out.
-Earl Clark is having some very strong workouts as of late, and is rising back up teams’ draft boards. He was very good in Minnesota apparently, and is strongly in the mix in New Jersey (#11), Charlotte (#12), Phoenix (#14) and Detroit (#15).
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06-18-2009, 05:44 PM #187
Moreau: Four You Can't Ignore
Neither Orlando's Courtney Lee nor Miami's Mario Chalmers got much of the pre-draft hype in 2008. They weren't blowing up message boards or garnering much attention in the mock-draft world. But, both ended up being steals on draft night by becoming starters on playoff teams in their rookie seasons.
Lee came from a mid-major college program, and fought his way up the draft board in the weeks prior to the 2008 NBA draft. He was drafted #22 by the Orlando Magic, battled his way into the starting lineup by mid-season, and was a starter in the 2009 NBA Finals. He averaged 8.4 points and was the perimeter defensive stopper for the second-best team in the league. Lee was the last rookie standing in the NBA this season.
Mario Chalmers slipped all the way to the second round in last year's draft, picked 34th by Minnesota, then traded to Miami for cash and two second-rounders this year. All he did in his rookie year was start all 82 games for the playoff-bound Miami HEAT at the point, averaging 10.0 points per game, and was fourth in the NBA in steals.
There are four players in this year's draft whom I think could be like Lee and Chalmers - players taken in the late first or early second round who may not get the hype, but who could become starters in the NBA in their rookie year and play valuable roles on a playoff team. GM's, these are players you pass on at your own risk.
Toney Douglas – Florida State, Guard
You just can't tell me that there are half a dozen or so point guards in this draft better than Toney Douglas. He carried his Florida State team to the ACC Final and into NCAA tournament, scoring 25, 27, 28 and 26 in his last four college games. With every opponent's defensive game plan geared to stop him, Douglas just hit big shot after big shot on the game's most crucial possessions and willed the Seminoles into the NCAA's. And Douglas was also the ACC Defensive Player of the Year, and that combination of scoring and defense gives him immense value at the point in the NBA. When you look at character, leadership, toughness, etc., nobody on the board rates any higher than he does. He has Derek Fisher written all over him.
Sam Young – Pittsburgh, Forward
He was the leading scorer for the best team in college basketball for most of the year, averaging 19.2 pts for the Pitt Panthers. But the most impressive thing about Young is that he got better in the season's biggest games at the end of the year, and didn't have one of those clunker nights in the NCAA tournament that a lot of good players have. Young averaged 21.3 points on 50% shooting in the Big East tournament and scoring 32, 19 and 28 in the last three games of the NCAA tournament on 54% shooting. He's athletic, strong, tough and can defend. You could lose your job for passing on this guy, and he starts by mid-season wherever he goes.
Jermaine Taylor – Central Florida, Guard
Taylor averaged 26.2 points per game in his senior year at UCF on 48% shooting, and in my opinion, was the best player at the Portsmouth Invitational. It was my first time really seeing him up close, and he already had the look of a scoring, NBA two-guard. Although he is a high volume shooter, his ability to attack the rim, get to the line, and score in the mid-range are all premiums in the NBA. He had a four-game stretch in February in which he scored 38, 35, 35 and 45 points. Although his UCF team didn't get any NCAA tournament attention as Lee's Western Kentucky team did, Taylor could very easily be a double-figure scorer off the bench for a good team in his rookie year. If your team is offensively challenged, you will regret letting this guy slip by you on draft night.
DeMarre Carroll – Missouri, Forward
Carroll was the leading scorer and rebounder for a tough, physical Missouri team that made a great run to the regional finals in the NCAA tournament. He was also one of the better players in Portsmouth, and he embodies all of the traits of a blue collar, hard working player who will just find ways to make plays. He's one of those guys teams pass on because he doesn't fit a mold - one of those tweener forwards. If you get tangled up in all that "is he a 3 or a 4" talk, you miss that he just competes, plays hard, and finds ways to help you win. Forget about whether his jumper is pure – his heart and toughness is what will get him on the floor. If he ends up as some kind of Chuck Hayes / Renaldo Balkman hybrid, then you have yourself a pretty good player. And, you look like a genius.
If these players are on the board in this year's draft, GM's better think long and hard before passing on them. Otherwise, next year while they are, once again, preparing to make another bad pick in the draft lottery, they could be thinking about what might have been while they watch these players contribute to their teams in the NBA playoffs.
06-18-2009, 09:05 PM #188
I'd love Douglas (or Marcus Thornton) with our first pick in the second round. I wouldn't mind Young there, either, but I think he'll be gone in the first."A little slap 'n pickle. I'm drunk, you're drunk, everybody's drunk!" - Barry Badrinath
06-19-2009, 04:15 AM #189
Can't rule out trade of first-round pick for Pistons | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press
Can't rule out trade of first-round pick for Pistons
As the Pistons hold final predraft workouts for prospects this week at their practice facility, there's one thing to remember -- they still might trade their first-round draft pick.
That's not exactly major news, as president of basketball operations Joe Dumars responded in the affirmative after the season when asked whether he would be open to trading the No. 15 pick of the first round. The draft is Thursday night in New York.
The reasoning is simple -- why draft a player who you think might be able to help you when you can take the savings from a first-round selection's guaranteed money and apply it to helping pay for an established veteran acquired in free agency or via trade?
Last year's 15th selection, Suns center Robin Lopez, made $1.6 million last season.
Trade out of the first round and that's about $1.6 million you can apply to the roughly $20 million of cap space the team already has. That little extra could make all the difference when it comes to acquiring talent when free agency starts July 1.
The one snag is that other teams are looking to trade out of the first round as well -- the economy has franchises looking to save money wherever possible.
Free Press sports writer Vince Ellis will answer readers’ questions at 2 p.m. Monday at freep.com/sports. Vince will focus on the upcoming NBA draft and free-agency periods.
06-19-2009, 10:13 AM #190
RealGM: Basketball Wiretap Archives: Nets Offering Harris For 2nd Pick?
Nets Offering Harris For 2nd Pick?
The Nets are "said to be willing to part with point guard Devin Harris" to land the second overall pick in next Thursday's NBA Draft.
06-20-2009, 04:25 AM #191
Pistons enter NBA draft with roster questions - Detroit Pistons Basketball: News, Blogs, Photos, Audio, Schedule & Stats - MLive.com
Pistons enter NBA draft with roster questions
by A. Sherrod Blakely
Saturday June 20, 2009, 12:30 AM
AUBURN HILLS -- Decisions, decisions, decisions.
The Detroit Pistons have the 15th pick in Thursday's NBA draft and could keep it. Or, they could trade it along with a current Piston for a higher pick. Moving down in the first round to acquire additional picks isn't entirely out of the question, either.
"There's a variety of directions you can go," said George David, Detroit's director of player personnel. "From now until June 25, it's about exploring those options and going from there and see what's best for us."
In past drafts, there was guarded optimism surrounding the player Detroit selected in the first round because of its established core.
But the core group that carried the Pistons to NBA elite status for so many years no longer exists.
Team captain and 2004 NBA Finals MVP Chauncey Billups was traded to Denver in November. Starters Rasheed Wallace and Antonio McDyess are free agents this summer, with both likely to play elsewhere next season.
Richard Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince are back, but for how long?
Both are on the trading block as the Pistons look to add a low post threat who will help them rebound from the franchise's first losing season since 2001.
Because of the uncertainty surrounding Detroit's roster, it makes it even tougher to lock in on what the Pistons need from Thursday's draft to bolster a roster coming off the franchise's first losing season since 2001.
In recent weeks, the Pistons have shuttled in dozens of players of varying sizes, strengths and skill sets to the team's practice facility.
In addition to their first-round pick (No. 15 overall), the Pistons have three second-round picks (No. 35, No. 39 and No. 44).
Some of the more notable players to work out for Detroit expected to get some consideration at No. 15 include Louisville's Earl Clark and Terrence Williams, UNC's Tyler Hansbrough and Ty Lawson, VCU's Eric Maynor, Gonzaga's Austin Daye, Pittsburgh's Dejuan Blair and Ohio State's B.J. Mullens.
David said figuring out who they would want to select with the first-round pick has yet to be determined.
"We've had all the workouts. Now, it's time to sit down and look and see which players will be the best fits for us," he said.
How players perform on the court during workouts is important, but David said other factors will play a part as team officials develop a short list of prospects.
"The visits really help us narrow the pool in general -- not just for the 15th pick," David said. "You get a better idea of how a certain player will fit in with your culture, which, as you know, is about more than just what you do on the court."
06-20-2009, 09:07 AM #192
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I don't see any players in this draft that really wow me, but this team needs more than 1-2 free agents to climb back in & challenge the Cavs & Magic in years to come. If they spend a 2nd round pick on a guy like Hansbrough I'd be okay with that. I don't think it makes any sense to move up in this draft, `cuz #15 may be just as good as #5 - & given the fact that so many guards are expected to be taken early, it slides the big man talent down a little.All-Time AAT: Charlie Maxwell
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06-20-2009, 10:19 AM #193
Report: Pistons give B.J. Mullens a draft promise - Full-Court Press
Report: Pistons give B.J. Mullens a draft promise
Posted by Dave Dial June 19, 2009 18:41PM
Aran Smith of NBADraft.net is reporting that the Detroit Pistons have made a promise to B.J. Mullens to select him with the 15th pick if he is still there when Detroit selects.
June 19, NBADraft.net: Two different sources have indicated to NBADraft.net on Friday that the Pistons have a promise in place to take BJ Mullens if he's available to the them at 15.
Mullens works well with the rebuilding Pistons as he's a player with significant upside but will take time to become a contributor. With the Pistons in the process of rebuilding their squad, Mullens offers them a potential center for the future.
When rumors that the Pistons gave Rodney Stuckey a promise to draft him at #15 two years ago surfaced, The Pistons denied the rumor. Keith Langlois even wrote that the promise was not true, although he did pick Stuckey as the Pistons draft choice.
No, the Pistons did not make Stuckey a guarantee that they would draft him at No. 15, as was reported a few weeks ago. That was a rumor started by an agent who hoped to take that news to Stuckey in order to win him as a client; Stuckey chose a different agent, regardless.
But he makes a lot of sense for the Pistons in that Stuckey is seen as someone who could play both backcourt positions. His strength is his ability to get to the basket, an area where the Pistons have a void. That was the reason they signed Flip Murray last summer. Stuckey is potentially a vastly improved version of Murray.
So don't expect Detroit to come out and admit a promise, even if they have given one. On the same note, before you take a promise as gospel, wait for other sources to confirm that this is true.
Also in that article is other Piston news.
Expect a flurry of action on draft night, which has become the norm in recent years, and a number of first and second rounders to be sold and traded.
Teams with multiple picks such as Sacramento (23), Oklahoma City (25) and Chicago (26) are all looking to sell their picks according to sources. While three other teams would like to buy picks late in the first round: San Antonio, Detroit and Houston.
Joe Dumars has his eye on Toney Douglas and would like to pick up a late first to grab him. San Antonio is likely after Victor Claver who suspiciously remained in the draft, despite a lackluster and injury plagued season. No word on who Houston is after, but Rockets GM Daryl Moray was on hand in Treviso as Swedish SF Jonas Jerebko put on an excellent performance.
This is the first time I've seen Dumars looking to add an extra first-round pick. Other reports have Joe trying to trade away the 15th overall pick to clear more space. As we get closer to the draft, the rumors will start to pick up and what Joe has planned may become more clear.
06-20-2009, 10:30 AM #194Matt Millen never left Detroit - he just started wearing a very convincing Joe Dumars costume.
06-20-2009, 10:31 AM #195
Austin Daye Plagued by Poor Workouts
Austin Daye is another player with tremendous upside, but he's worked out poorly in several cities and the word on Daye is he could be a great player in a few years, but not NBA-ready this year making him more of a project player. Most teams that have seen him talk about his ability to shoot the ball and his freakish length and athleticism, but warn that he's going to really need time to grow into the NBA game, making him far more likely to go in the bottom of the first round than at the top.
06-20-2009, 10:33 AM #196
Thabeet's Projected Draft Pick Unmerited?
(Matt) Moore: It wasn't necessarily that I didn't like the offensive moves that Thabeet displayed this season. It's that he didn't display any. Hasheem Thabeet has a great Twitter account, terrific length, and an offensive ceiling that makes Anderson Varejao look dynamic.
In a lot of ways I should be banging the gong for Thabeet. All potential, no refinement. All athleticism, no fundamentals. That's usually my bag, baby. But the kid's not a super freak in terms of bulk, he's just long. He's the spacebar on the keyboard, only not as necessary. Longer than everything else, but in the end, it's just a space.
I can't get over how this guy is above Jordan Hill, or DeJuan Blair, guys who can do more than stick their hands way up in the air. Premier big men in this league, the kind you want to spend a top 3 pick on, all have some level of touch around the basket, save Dwight Howard. And Thabeet is no Dwight Howard. Of course, when he was drafted, Dwight Howard wasn't Dwight Howard.
(Tom) Ziller: I sit on the same side of the aisle as you with regard to Thabeet -- he's probably not the best non-Griffin big man in this draft. If Hill has fire in the belly, he could be great. Blair obviously has the fire, and Kevin Love's rebounding instincts to boot.
I think, if nothing else, Thabeet will give you a couple blocked shots a game. Chris Andersen did that for Denver, and he became a hero. Of course, Andersen could also rebound, and it's unclear how dominant Thabeet will be on the boards -- he was an awful rebounder until this season, when he became just solid considering his size and the lack of quickness in most Big East big men.
06-20-2009, 10:34 AM #197
Could Jennings Spiral Out of Lottery?
Brandon Jennings may also find the draft process unkind on Draft night. Word is if he does not go #6 to Minnesota, he could fall in the the teens. Jennings has worked out well for every team he has seen, but his biggest knock is maturity and pure leadership skills, plus his less-than-spectacular showing in Italy last year have left teams with more doubts about Jennings than any of his peers. Most scouts list Jennings fourth or fifth in terms of this crop of point guard.
06-20-2009, 10:38 AM #198
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Tyler Hansbrough On the Rise
After measuring very impressively in Chicago and testing well in the athleticism workouts, Tyler Hansbrough has been on the rise lately and could go as high as 11 to New Jersey. In fact, New Jersey looks like the likely destination for Hansbrough at this point.
The all time leading scorer in the ACC is considered a surefire contributor (safe pick), which in a weak draft is a valued commodity. Hansbrough may have leapfrogged DeJuan Blair who continues to impress in workouts himself.
06-20-2009, 10:46 AM #199
Regarding the Mullens draft promise.
I know almost everyone here hates him. But I don't think I would mind them taking him at 15. The #15 pick wont have much to offer other than some backup guards and some 190 pound 6'10 guy. If you can get a true 7 footer that has even a slim chance of being something, I say roll the dice.
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He could look at the bench and see
Maxiel, Johnson, Sharpe, Mullens and know..hey I have alot of tall guys..none of whom can play a lick..
Drafting Muillens woudl cement the idea..they need a new GM because the one they have has zero capacity to draft anddevlop young talent..
Then you would have that bench..a deteriorating PG in Stuckey..and Michael Curry as your coach..
All handpicked by Dumars..convince me he knows what he is doing post 2005.