Short Memories

**jake** · 10-28-2011, 04:07 PM

Who was the Lion QB during the end of the year 4 game winning streak?

**T&P_Fan** · 10-28-2011, 04:15 PM

Stanton for the first two and Hill for the last two.

**NorCalLionsFan** · 10-28-2011, 04:48 PM

3 of those wins were TB, Minny and MIA

**dettigfan222** · 10-28-2011, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by NorCalLionsFan

3 of those wins were TB, Minny and MIA

And the one you are conveniently leaving off is Green Bay.

**Cecil** · 10-28-2011, 05:22 PM

Who was the starting QB for the 5 game winning streak this year? Who is the QB that's 6-2 since last season? Whose the QB who's 3-7 since last year?

**Cecil** · 10-28-2011, 05:28 PM

Here's another one. What QB left the Chicago game with the Lions leading? Now, what QB finished the game with the Lions losing?

One more. What QB left the Jets game leading? Now, what QB finished the game with the Lions losing?

**NorCalLionsFan** · 10-28-2011, 05:44 PM

Hill is the best backup in the league, no doubt. He just doesnt have the arm strength that matty does. He certainly has the touch, but cant stretch the field like @staff9

**Johnny Mac** · 10-29-2011, 12:54 AM

Here is another one for Jake, who is a better pitcher this year, Verlander or Mr Injury Prone Jurrjens?

What is the point of this thread, honestly? That the Lions won 4 games in a row last year with other QBs?

Tell me Jake, what happened last year when Stafford played? Beat Washington and were beating both the Jets and Bears (when the other QBs came in and blew it). The other QBs were 5-8 and blew 2 games in relief last year. Stafford is 6-2 the last 8 he played the whole games and 2 games he was winning when he left mixed in.

**Johnny Mac** · 10-29-2011, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by dettigfan222

And the one you are conveniently leaving off is Green Bay.

And that was won in spite of our QB play, not because of it.

**Motor City Sonics** · 10-29-2011, 01:04 AM

Wow.

Stafford is the guy. He's had two subpar games and really the first subpar game wasn't all that bad. Remember the great Tom Brady threw 4 picks and handed Buffalo a game this year.

Stafford is the guy and it's not even close.

But, the Lions are very lucky to have a great backup in Hill. He is a guy that can step in and guide the team. I tell you what......the Miami Dolphins, Seattle Seahawks, Indianapolis Colts, and Washington Redskins would all easily have Hill as their starter. The Lions have good insurance should an injury befall Stafford, but don't kid yourself, there is no QB controversy in this town and their shouldn't be.

**Chaz** · 10-29-2011, 08:40 AM

I guess it is short since in the last 10 or so years, our qb would play a game and have something like 15/23 for 159 yards and lose it big time...each week, we would ***** about the performance of our qb..at least we had 9 games that we won and I don't think we had someone ***** about the qb other, did he get hurt.

**ScrubBeaterUpper** · 10-29-2011, 08:55 AM

Stanton is terrible save one decent vs TB, Hill had some bad games too and cuts the playbook down considerably with his lack of arm strength.

This thread, if serious, is laughable.

**Yoda** · 10-29-2011, 09:32 AM

Jake needing attention, that's all this is. He should thank you all.

**Cecil** · 10-29-2011, 11:07 AM

If you listened to sports talk radio or read MLive.com comments this past week, you'd think Joey Harrington was still quarterbacking the Detroit Lions.

In fact one comment, from a regular MLive.com poster, wondered if the Lions should try to trade Stafford (and some draft picks to boot) for future No. 1 draft pick Andrew Luck. There's still a few months on the calendar, but this is the front-runner for overreaction of the year.

Stafford is coming off a bad game - his worst of the season - where he completed just 15 of his 32 passes for 183 yards and one touchdown. It was the first time he didn't toss multiple scores in a game this season, but some people getting carried away doubting his potential as a franchise quarterback.

First, let's look at the stats Stafford has posted so far this season. Through seven games he's completed 60.2 percent of his passes, thrown for 1,912 yards, 16 touchdowns and just four interceptions.

That puts him on pace for 4,370 yards, 36 touchdowns and nine interceptions. The yardage and scoring marks would be Detroit Lions team records. His 1.49 percent interception rate and 95.5 passer rating would also rank as the best marks by a Lions quarterback who started at least eight games in a season.

Oh yeah, by the way, Stafford is just 23 years old.

Do you know where Aaron Rodgers was at 23? He was still riding the pine behind Brett Favre, waiting to make his first NFL start.

Drew Brees? The future Super Bowl champion was in his second year in San Diego working on 17 touchdown and 16 interception campaign.

Tom Brady was a rookie in New England who threw three passes for the Patriots.

Peyton Manning is probably the best success story in recent history. In his second season with the Colts, Manning threw for 4,135 yards, 26 touchdowns and 11 interceptions, all marks Stafford could top this season.

This isn't to say Stafford will develop into Manning, Brady, Brees or Rodgers, but at age of 23, the Lions quarterback is doing just fine. In fact, he's well ahead of the curve.

Remember, Stafford has only started 20 games in the NFL, a little more than a season's worth. The longer he's on the job, the more familiar he becomes with the coverage and pass-rush looks opponents throw at him, and the better he will become.

Also, don't think any of this makes Stafford exempt from criticism. He has accuracy issues - his 60.2 percent completion percentage ranks 21st in the league - but we knew this when he was coming out of college. Plus, there has been great quarterbacks who have had success without elite accuracy - Favre and John Elway come to mind.

Stafford also has been injury-prone early in his career, a label he can only shake by staying on the field. Through seven games this season he's done that, and signs suggest he'll play, despite a sprained ankle, in Denver this Sunday.

Stafford isn't an elite quarterback right now, just like the Lions aren't an elite team. Both the quarterback and team have plenty to prove on the field before they can earn that categorization. There are growing pains still to come, but these jumps don't typically happen overnight.

Right now the Lions are 5-2, and Stafford is a big part of that success. It's tough to deny his talent, leadership, intelligence and toughness. From here on out, it will be about developing consistency. With time and experience, there's good reason to believe that will come.

In closing, ponder this hypothetical: Considering all factors, including age, which NFL quarterbacks would you take straight up in exchange for Stafford? Remember, guys like Brees and Brady are more than 10 years older. Outside of Aaron Rodgers, is there a clear-cut answer?

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**mr0zip0** · 10-29-2011, 06:43 PM

Stafford won 5 straight wins against Tampa Bay, Kansas City, Minnesota, Dallas, and Chicago...

Hill and Stanton combined for 4 straight wins against Green Bay, Tampa Bay, Miami, and Minnesota...

Stafford infuriated me as much as anyone the last two weeks, but why is this a discussion?

**alwaysthrowheat** · 10-29-2011, 07:54 PM

The backup QB is always the most popular guy in town.

**number20** · 10-29-2011, 09:58 PM

Stafford isn't the reason the Lions couldn't stop a Jr. college football team's running game right now.

It's beginning to look to me like he doesn't trust his OL anymore. He's getting panicky happy feet in the pocket now because he believes he's going to get creamed after every snap.

**Cecil** · 10-29-2011, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by number20

Stafford isn't the reason the Lions couldn't stop a Jr. college football team's running game right now.

It's beginning to look to me like he doesn't trust his OL anymore. He's getting panicky happy feet in the pocket now because he believes he's going to get creamed after every snap.

Perhaps he should study some more tape and learn how to read blitzes and set up his protection.

**ScrubBeaterUpper** · 10-30-2011, 07:30 PM

Welp, lovely thread.

**DTroppens** · 10-30-2011, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by jake

Who was the Lion QB during the end of the year 4 game winning streak?

I'm curious who Jake thought the answer to this question was.

**MC24** · 10-30-2011, 11:48 PM

He was a beast today. I can't believe anyone would suggest we play Shaun Hill. Come on man. Stafford is playing like a top 5 QB this year.

**Yoda** · 10-31-2011, 06:10 AM

Well, I for one am shocked that Jake has disappeared. This never happens when he makes ridiculous statements like this.

**Who is the Drizzle?** · 10-31-2011, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Yoda

Well, I for one am shocked that Jake has disappeared. This never happens when he makes ridiculous statements like this.

jake lacks grit

**Johnny Mac** · 10-31-2011, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Yoda

Well, I for one am shocked that Jake has disappeared. This never happens when he makes ridiculous statements like this.

Wait until Stafford has even an average game, Jake will be back...

**DukeCityRadical** · 10-31-2011, 08:36 PM

We should assign someone responsibility for bumping this thread in five years. Oh,the times we'll have!

**Johnny Mac** · 10-31-2011, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by DukeCityRadical

We should assign someone responsibility for bumping this thread in five years. Oh,the times we'll have!

I was looking for a good Tebow thread to bump earlier today, and before the one I bumped I found a bunch of great threads from Jake, his views on QB play have been quite interesting of the years. I wont quote them all, but he thought the Lions signing Drew Brees would be a mistake, thought Josh Johnson was best QB in 08 draft and rated Matt Ryan 5th, behind Andre Woodson and initially Colt Brennan too. He had Henne behind all of them too. Said Jay Cutler is a hall of famer. Said Tebow was going to win multiple Super Bowls and make multiple Pro Bowls. You know what, given Jake's track record, its assuring to me that he doesn't like Stafford. I know we have a great QB now

Now I know there are PLENTY of things on here I was wrong about, but I think Jake was kind of asking for this with this thread. Interestingly enough the thread is titled Short Memories, maybe his memory is too short.

**DukeCityRadical** · 10-31-2011, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Johnny Mac

I was looking for a good Tebow thread to bump earlier today, and before the one I bumped I found a bunch of great threads from Jake, his views on QB play have been quite interesting of the years. I wont quote them all, but he thought the Lions signing Drew Brees would be a mistake, thought Josh Johnson was best QB in 08 draft and rated Matt Ryan 5th, behind Andre Woodson and initially Colt Brennan too. He had Henne behind all of them too. Said Jay Cutler is a hall of famer. Said Tebow was going to win multiple Super Bowls and make multiple Pro Bowls. You know what, given Jake's track record, its assuring to me that he doesn't like Stafford. I know we have a great QB now

That's an impressive track record. Makes this thread that much better. Maybe we should re-name it "Long Memories".

**Cecil** · 10-31-2011, 10:42 PM

Jake picked the wrong pawn to replace Verlander as his troll bait. Stafford doesn't even have two full seasons under his belt and is already putting up elite QB numbers. With Verlander there was no way he could be wrong. Pretty clever.

**holygoat** · 10-31-2011, 10:57 PM

Who was the Lion QB during the beginning of the year 5 game winning streak?

**DTroppens** · 11-01-2011, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by Cecil

Jake picked the wrong pawn to replace Verlander as his troll bait. Stafford doesn't even have two full seasons under his belt and is already putting up elite QB numbers. With Verlander there was no way he could be wrong. Pretty clever.

That's what people seem to forget. Plus, let's not forget early in his career he had trouble with his touch on those short passes. He was having issues with those passes for a few weeks again and nothing will make you look worse than that.

But the fact he's at about 20 games for his career and he's where he is right now - gosh, I'll take it. I expect more learning pains. He's had some, but, again, that's to be expected.

**lesgoblu02** · 11-01-2011, 07:35 AM

19 TD's

4 INT's

I'm done.

**Johnny Mac** · 12-27-2011, 08:36 PM

...looking over the Tebow thread reminded me of this one

Must be getting rough for Jake, Stafford is tearing it up and Tebow is still stinking and his teammates arent bailing him out anymore. No wonder he hasn't been around lately. And he cant complain about his other hated player, because he just won the AL MVP.

Jake, please find someone on the Pistons and Red Wings to hate, especially the Pistons, because they could really use a great player.

**tigerbomb13** · 12-27-2011, 09:29 PM

This thread almost brings as many LOLs as when Jake said Verlander was " garbage" before this season.

**lordstanley** · 12-27-2011, 09:51 PM

Time for Jake to rip Zetterberg, please.

**jake** · 12-29-2011, 08:40 PM

Stafford has had a nice season. Nobody throws the ball from the pocket on time better than he does. I think that's a huge compliment. Big, big arm. But, he does not have a lick of pocket presence when there is any pressure whatsoever. If he has to scramble at all, it's going to be a bad play for the Lions. Also, I was extremely concerned after we were 5-0 and he walked around for 3 games like his dog died or his girlfriend dumped him (maybe they did I don't know). His body language was alarming and concerning. But you know what? He's 23 years old. Pretty impressive season. His play was not good for about 5-6 games in the middle of the season but he's bounced back nicely. He's not Aaron Rodgers yet and some of you are completely overhyping him and that get's annoying. He's not a Pro Bowl QB yet. He's not. Quit begging. Maybe next year. Also, don't forget the CJ factor with Stafford. The guy is a freak of nature and bails him out all the time. Plus, the O-Line has been very good protecting Stanton. . . ecause if there is any pressure whatsoever, Stafford can make nothing positive out of the play and many times takes sacks that shouldn't be sacks. All in all, good season. But remember, he broke Scott Mitchell's records and the only reason Mitchell has records is because of Barry. Hopefully, the same can't be said about Stafford and CJ.

**New_Age_X** · 12-29-2011, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by jake

Stafford has had a nice season. Nobody throws the ball from the pocket on time better than he does. I think that's a huge compliment. Big, big arm. But, he does not have a lick of pocket presence when there is any pressure whatsoever. If he has to scramble at all, it's going to be a bad play for the Lions. Also, I was extremely concerned after we were 5-0 and he walked around for 3 games like his dog died or his girlfriend dumped him (maybe they did I don't know). His body language was alarming and concerning. But you know what? He's 23 years old. Pretty impressive season. His play was not good for about 5-6 games in the middle of the season but he's bounced back nicely. He's not Aaron Rodgers yet and some of you are completely overhyping him and that get's annoying. He's not a Pro Bowl QB yet. He's not. Quit begging. Maybe next year. Also, don't forget the CJ factor with Stafford. The guy is a freak of nature and bails him out all the time. Plus, the O-Line has been very good protecting Stanton. . . ecause if there is any pressure whatsoever, Stafford can make nothing positive out of the play and many times takes sacks that shouldn't be sacks. All in all, good season. But remember, he broke Scott Mitchell's records and the only reason Mitchell has records is because of Barry. Hopefully, the same can't be said about Stafford and CJ.

All I gotta say is you use the weapons you are given if not you are going to fail. And take away the best player one most teams and see where the QB is then. I'm betting that only five qbs or so could still look good with there best weapon gone.

**jake** · 12-29-2011, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by New_Age_X

All I gotta say is you use the weapons you are given if not you are going to fail. And take away the best player one most teams and see where the QB is then. I'm betting that only five qbs or so could still look good with there best weapon gone.

I wish he'd use CJ more. Look at our 4th quarters. Lots of CJ. That's good quarterbacking. I'm waiting for some pocket presence before thinking he's a pro bowler. Just like Verlander, JV needed to learn to pitch out of a jam before announcing his greatness. Because I never saw what was so great about a pitcher with a near 4 career ERA no matter how great his talent was. The bottom line is performance. WHat Verlander was capable of was shown last year and he wasn't touching that in the years before. Not even close. Yet, people insisted he was great in 2008-10. He wasn't. He was pretty good. Same with Stafford, great tools but no real instinct for handling pressure and some wild inconsistencies. Wait a couple years before riding his jock. That's my issue with players like those two.

**Mr. Bigglesworth** · 12-29-2011, 11:11 PM

When Tebow struggles for the vast majority of the time, the Bible tells us Christians have bad days sometimes.

Stafford struggles over a 5 game stretch where he has a broken finger, he doesn't have pocket presence and takes too many sacks (note: he really doesn't take many sacks as a percentage of pass plays, but whatever).

Unless he gets injured, I will bet my Jackson against your Lincoln that Staffird has the better career than Tebow. He has been so much better this year, it hurts my head.

**holygoat** · 12-29-2011, 11:45 PM

jake, do you think that Stanton or Hill would have put up better numbers than Stafford this season?

**Motor City Sonics** · 12-29-2011, 11:47 PM

This whole argument is beyond silly. Stafford is the best QB the Lions have had since Bobby Layne and he probably won't treat himself the way Bobby did off the field, so I would imagine Stafford will be around longer than Bobby was. Some people are just never happy. They just have to poop on something good. Matthew ain't perfect. Yet. He's 23.