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sinister porpoise · #**161** (**permalink**) 10-30-2009, 03:12 PM

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Tony Dungy: Tim Tebow will be a great NFL quarterback

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The biggest question mark in the 2010 NFL Draft is Florida quarterback Tim Tebow, who's viewed by some as a future franchise quarterback and by others as a guy who will need to move to another position if he'll ever make it as a pro.

Count Tony Dungy as emphatically believing that Tebow will be an NFL superstar.

Appearing Friday morning on The Dan Patrick Show, Dungy said he believes the combination of leadership and athletic ability that Tebow has will make him an elite NFL quarterback -- and more than make up for any questions about his throwing motion.

"As a coach, I always like winners," Dungy said. "Tim Tebow doesn't have the classic throwing motion, he doesn't have the accuracy, maybe, right now that some people are looking for, but I think when he gets into a pro system that really stresses throwing the ball accurately, the big thing is he makes the people around him better. And he's won. ... I think he's going to be a great player in the NFL."

Dungy said that if he were running a team with a Top 10 pick, he'd take Tebow. Patrick then asked Dungy who he'd pick for his team if he could have any of the top college quarterbacks, including Washington's Jake Locker, Notre Dame's Jimmy Clausen, Oklahoma's Sam Bradford and Texas's Colt McCoy. Dungy didn't hesitate and said, "I'm taking Tebow."

One of the knocks on Tebow is that during his stellar career in Florida's spread offense, he's never been asked to make the kinds of throws that quarterbacks in prototypical NFL offenses have to make. But Dungy said a good coach can take advantage of Tebow's strengths.

"Is it ever going to be Peyton Manning-ish? Maybe not," Dungy said of Tebow's throwing motion. "But I just think what you can do with him, the problems he creates for a defense, the combination of leadership and what he's shown, if I have him, defenses have to prepare for a totally different offense. ... He's going to give teams the most headaches getting ready for him."

Dungy also said he thinks the Titans are making the right move by starting Vince Young over Kerry Collins, and that if he were the coach of the Chiefs he'd get rid of Larry Johnson.

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I don't know what Tim Tebow these guys watch when they talk about "the problems he creates for a defense"
A guy that can't throw very well and will get 3 yards on a draw up the middle?

cruzer1 · #**162** (**permalink**) 10-30-2009, 09:34 PM

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I don't know what Tim Tebow these guys watch when they talk about "the problems he creates for a defense"
A guy that can't throw very well and will get 3 yards on a draw up the middle?

I hope he goes ahead of the Lions' pick.

zimm · #**163** (**permalink**) 10-30-2009, 10:07 PM

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I hope he goes ahead of the Lions' pick.

because it will mean that a more talented player (and presumably one at a position of need...)has a better shot at ending up with the Lions or because you worry that this franchise will be tempted to pick him?

cruzer1 · #**164** (**permalink**) 10-30-2009, 10:15 PM

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because it will mean that a more talented player (and presumably one at a position of need...)has a better shot at ending up with the Lions or because you worry that this franchise will be tempted to pick him?

Yes.

Mschottey1985 · #**165** (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 12:21 AM

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I don't know what Tim Tebow these guys watch when they talk about "the problems he creates for a defense"
A guy that can't throw very well and will get 3 yards on a draw up the middle?

I view Tim Tebow as a guy who will lay down his body for his coach and do whatever he asks. It is a complete misnomer that Tebow CAN'T throw. He has loads of touch on his deep balls and can hit a slant like nobodies business (in fact has had to dial down his arm).

It may take a year for Tebow to shake the spread, but I will never bet against him. He is just too much of a competitor with too much athleticism.

cruzer1 · #**166** (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 03:14 AM

I view Tebow as a player who won't be a Lion. Guaranteed.

djhutch · #**167** (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 06:19 AM

I have my doubts that Tebow will shine in the NFL, not because I don't think he's good enough, but because I don't know of any head coaches willing to allow him the latitude he has in play calling with Florida.

Johnny Mac · #**168** (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 09:09 AM

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I have my doubts that Tebow will shine in the NFL, not because I don't think he's good enough, but because I don't know of any head coaches willing to allow him the latitude he has in play calling with Florida.

No NFL coach would let their starting QB run 20+ times a game like he does in college this year, he would get destroyed. Especially if his ypc is similar to what it is in college, it wouldnt be worth it at all.

Bubba · #**169** (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 10:48 AM

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I view Tim Tebow as a guy who will lay down his body for his coach and do whatever he asks. It is a complete misnomer that Tebow CAN'T throw. He has loads of touch on his deep balls and can hit a slant like nobodies business (in fact has had to dial down his arm).

It may take a year for Tebow to shake the spread, but I will never bet against him. He is just too much of a competitor with too much athleticism.

I think Tebow could find success on a team like Baltimore or Chicago, where the Defense keeps you in games and his grittiness can shine. Not that either of those teams are looking for QB's...

cruzer1 · #**170** (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 02:39 PM

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No NFL coach would let their starting QB run 20+ times a game like he does in college this year, he would get destroyed. Especially if his ypc is similar to what it is in college, it wouldnt be worth it at all.

The NCAA counts sacks as run yardage, so QB run numbers are often skewed.

Johnny Mac · #**171** (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 03:20 PM

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The NCAA counts sacks as run yardage, so QB run numbers are often skewed.

yea, but this year especially he tries to run way too much and usually only gets a couple yards at most. He runs like a fullback.

cruzer1 · #**172** (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 10:35 PM

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yea, but this year especially he tries to run way too much and usually only gets a couple yards at most. He runs like a fullback.

I think the fact he runs with power is the reason the NFL will be so high on him. Any reason is good enough for me.

Bubba · #**173** (**permalink**) 11-01-2009, 01:24 AM

Anyone know where Greg Jones would be drafted... I can see him calling it quits with the way MSU is playing and move onto the NFL rather than risk a career ender...

cruzer1 · #**174** (**permalink**) 11-01-2009, 10:49 AM

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Anyone know where Greg Jones would be drafted... I can see him calling it quits with the way MSU is playing and move onto the NFL rather than risk a career ender...

2nd or third round.

jonjd · #**175** (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 07:48 AM

I just read a mock that has Jake Locker going #1. Some people.

Mschottey1985 · #**176** (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 09:02 AM

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I just read a mock that has Jake Locker going #1. Some people.

He is the consensus #1 QB right now with McCoy and Clausen being the only others considered.

BigBoiKzoo · #**177** (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 09:25 AM

I'm more convinced than ever after the last game we need to spend at least a middle round pick (3-4) on a WR though because CJ is showing he can't stay healthy for a full 16 game season and without him, we're horrible. Either that or get a quality veteran free agent, not guys who most likely wouldn't see playing time on any other NFL team.

Dungy is also a guy who still thinks Vick will/can be an elite QB. I don't think Dungy is anything special as a talent evaluator.

BigBoiKzoo · #**178** (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 09:48 AM

Any thoughts on Dan LeFevour? I know we're not taking him, but I've been watching him for years and have always thought he's been one of the most underrated QB's in the NCAA. I mean in a single season he almost did something than it took Vince Young and Tebow to in different seasons (pass for 3000 yard, rush for 1000 yards and 20 pass td's and 20 rush td's). I admit the teams he's played against aren't as good as what Texas and Florida do, but I think the MAC has proven they can put out good QB's and good talent. He's been better than any MAC QB I've seen. He has pocket feel and a nice arm. He's also very accurate. I know he comes a spread offense too and can mostly get a lot of the same knocks that Bradford can get. Just always been impressed with the kid.

sinister porpoise · #**179** (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 10:03 AM

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I'm more convinced than ever after the last game we need to spend at least a middle round pick (3-4) on a WR though because CJ is showing he can't stay healthy for a full 16 game season and without him, we're horrible. Either that or get a quality veteran free agent, not guys who most likely wouldn't see playing time on any other NFL team.

Dungy is also a guy who still thinks Vick will/can be an elite QB. I don't think Dungy is anything special as a talent evaluator.

I really don't understand why Derrick Williams doesn't get some time at WR. I know he's not a big guy, and not a burner either (though not slow) but he seems like an all-around good athlete that makes catches when the ball is thrown his way.

cruzer1 · #**180** (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 10:13 AM

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I'm more convinced than ever after the last game we need to spend at least a middle round pick (3-4) on a WR though because CJ is showing he can't stay healthy for a full 16 game season and without him, we're horrible. Either that or get a quality veteran free agent, not guys who most likely wouldn't see playing time on any other NFL team.

Dungy is also a guy who still thinks Vick will/can be an elite QB. I don't think Dungy is anything special as a talent evaluator.

The Bears got Johnny Knox in the fifth. That would be the ideal type of receiver the Lions could add, plus they have an extra fifth rounder. They need multiple corners, and they need to hit defense hard in this draft.

cruzer1 · #**181** (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 10:31 AM

Hmmm...lets check the Florida A&M roster...

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Hart · #**182** (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 12:57 PM

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I really don't understand why Derrick Williams doesn't get some time at WR. I know he's not a big guy, and not a burner either (though not slow) but he seems like an all-around good athlete that makes catches when the ball is thrown his way.

Derrick Williams does not have great hands.

The Lions do need to get more talent at receiver at some point but this is low on the list on the priorities. Once you get to the third round, I would have no problem with the Lions drafting a receiver.

ManeMan · #**183** (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 06:49 PM

Hopefully Schwartz being the defensive minded coach that he is, we'll draft defense and o-line. There is no other need than that. I say build the o-line, build the d-line. A big name free agent on either side would be great. but we seriously need big guys.. This team is too small to have success.

cruzer1 · #**184** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 05:15 AM

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Hopefully Schwartz being the defensive minded coach that he is, we'll draft defense and o-line. There is no other need than that. I say build the o-line, build the d-line. A big name free agent on either side would be great. but we seriously need big guys.. This team is too small to have success.

You mean the Lions have great receivers beside CJ? Great RB's?

sportz4life · #**185** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 06:36 AM

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You mean the Lions have great receivers beside CJ? Great RB's?

Receiver and RB's are readily avalable after round 1. Wasting a 1st round pick on a receiver is idiotic. Even the CJ pick in retrospect is insanity, receivers are easily nicked and often rendered ineffective.

cruzer1 · #**186** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 06:47 AM

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Receiver and RB's are readily avalable after round 1. Wasting a 1st round pick on a receiver is idiotic. Even the CJ pick in retrospect is insanity, receivers are easily nicked and often rendered ineffective.

I didn't say take a receiver in round one, but it is a need. They need offensive weapons more than they need offensive linemen. Receivers are usually pretty safe in that they don't take a pounding like running backs, and usually stay pretty healthy. If the CJ pick is insane, then I'm also crazy, because he should have gone #1 in that draft.

lesgoblu02 · #**187** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 08:11 AM

I'd rather they draft the big uglies early and fill in the skill positions with Free Agents.

Stormin' Norman · #**188** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 09:44 AM

I would prefer drafting big uglies in middle rounds, sign one or two free agent linemen for short term use and draft skill position player who can make an instant impact higher (two DB's, DE, WR).

Johnny Mac · #**189** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 10:09 AM

I tend to agree that finding the big uglies is easier to do in FA and later rounds than finding RB, QB and WR. However, I really think the Lions need to be focused on the defense and Line this offseason. Id love for us to get an elite pass rusher in the draft. If you can get pressure on the qb, it instantly makes all your DB look better. I dont know if any are worthy a top 10 pick, but trading down and getting someone like Greg Hardy would be a good scenario for me.

Hart · #**190** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 10:51 AM

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Receiver and RB's are readily avalable after round 1. Wasting a 1st round pick on a receiver is idiotic. Even the CJ pick in retrospect is insanity, receivers are easily nicked and often rendered ineffective.

In retrospect, the 2007 draft was a fairly weak draft. Our other options besides CJ were Joe Thomas and Gaines Adams. Joe Thomas should have and would have been the best pick. Luckily, we did not draft Gaines Adams.

I agree with your premise but not because of injuries. You have to start building a team in the trenches and at quarterback. Without a good o-line or quarterback, you are not going to maximize your receiver's potential anyways. Which is what has happened with Calvin Johnson.

Buddha · #**191** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 10:53 AM

Trading down might be a strong possibility for the Lions this year considering there will be a few top QBs available and the Lions aren't going to be drafting any QBs.

Although I'd love to see them stay up there and draft one of the DTs if they're really all-world players.

PuNk42AE · #**192** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 11:00 AM

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Trading down might be a strong possibility for the Lions this year considering there will be a few top QBs available and the Lions aren't going to be drafting any QBs.

Although I'd love to see them stay up there and draft one of the DTs if they're really all-world players.

I don't know, maybe they are the new WR for the Lions? ...

Stormin' Norman · #**193** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 12:21 PM

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In retrospect, the 2007 draft was a fairly weak draft. Our other options besides CJ were Joe Thomas and Gaines Adams. Joe Thomas should have and would have been the best pick. Luckily, we did not draft Gaines Adams.

I agree with your premise but not because of injuries. You have to start building a team in the trenches and at quarterback. Without a good o-line or quarterback, you are not going to maximize your receiver's potential anyways. Which is what has happened with Calvin Johnson.

You can't honestly believe Joe Thomas would have been better than Calvin Johnson.

cruzer1 · #**194** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 12:34 PM

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I'd rather they draft the big uglies early and fill in the skill positions with Free Agents.

They'll continue to be a slow team.

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You can't honestly believe Joe Thomas would have been better than Calvin Johnson.

Ask the Browns who they'd rather have now.

DTroppens · #**195** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 02:45 PM

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Any thoughts on Dan LeFevour? I know we're not taking him, but I've been watching him for years and have always thought he's been one of the most underrated QB's in the NCAA. I mean in a single season he almost did something than it took Vince Young and Tebow to in different seasons (pass for 3000 yard, rush for 1000 yards and 20 pass td's and 20 rush td's). I admit the teams he's played against aren't as good as what Texas and Florida do, but I think the MAC has proven they can put out good QB's and good talent. He's been better than any MAC QB I've seen. He has pocket feel and a nice arm. He's also very accurate. I know he comes a spread offense too and can mostly get a lot of the same knocks that Bradford can get. Just always been impressed with the kid.

I'm guessing I've seen LeFevour as much as anyone on this board - minus a couple of actual CMU students - during the last four years. LeFevour has a long way to go to prove he'll be successful at the NFL level. Of course, I guess we can say that about a lot of QBs, even the top selections. But most of his routes are very short routes and him being a RB that happens to be a QB is as much a part of his game as anything. And he's not really that fast. He's crafty with his runs. I wonder how much the speed of NFL defenses will impact that part of his game. Probably quite a bit.

He has struggled with the deep balls over the years. He tends to get very jumpy on his feet in certain games for some unknown reasons. He also tends to struggle in first halves of the team's biggest games - bowls and the BCS conference games. The guy is physical, will sell out his body for a block for anyone and to get a first down. In fact, I think we saw some of that wear on his body last year.

He'll get his chance, but he's got a long way to go before proving he'll stick in the NFL at any sustained level - as a starter or a backup. But I'm certainly pulling for him.

cruzer1 · #**196** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 03:26 PM

LeFevour is a talented guy, and should go in the middle to late rounds. Some other QB's such as Hiller have taken a step back this year.

Buddha · #**197** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 03:31 PM

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They'll continue to be a slow team.

Ask the Browns who they'd rather have now.

A superstar left tackle is worth more than a superstar receiver. However, it remains to be seen if Joe Thomas really is a superstar left tackle. He hasn't played like it since his rookie season.

After their rookie years Thomas was a better player than Johnson. Johnson has been better since then.

cruzer1 · #**198** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 04:01 PM

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A superstar left tackle is worth more than a superstar receiver. However, it remains to be seen if Joe Thomas really is a superstar left tackle. He hasn't played like it since his rookie season.

After their rookie years Thomas was a better player than Johnson. Johnson has been better since then.

How many top offensive teams have superstar left tackles?

Buddha · #**199** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 04:28 PM

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How many top offensive teams have superstar left tackles?

Who would you define as a superstar left tackle?

JonBenke · #**200** (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 04:29 PM

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How many top offensive teams have superstar left tackles?

The Seahawks from a few years back were only in the Super Bowl because of their two top tier offensive lineman; Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson.

Matt Ryan was a nice addition in Atlanta, but Sam Baker was a better one.

Miami did better by taking Jake Long #1, and Chad Henne later.

You can get good skill players in later rounds, but you can't say the same about good offensive lineman, especially good tackles outside the first round.