2010 NFL Draft

[cruzer1]

Originally Posted by sportz4life

It's always a coin flip decison, especially for a QB that runs as much as Locker, but seriously cruzer if he was going top 4..he would have come out. I'm thinking they would have picked him apart this year and he knew that..

QB's with elite arm strength and can run a legit 4.5 forty get drafted really high. If he was rated lower, then that cost him money.

[sportz4life]

Originally Posted by cruzer1

QB's with elite arm strength and can run a legit 4.5 forty get drafted really high. If he was rated lower, then that cost him money.

I think, mechanics, accuracy and recognition were working against him, another year should improve all 3.

[Hongbit]

Locker is good but he's no Andrew Luck. Now there's a kid with a bright future.

[Hongbit]

Originally Posted by sportz4life

I think, mechanics, accuracy and recognition were working against him, another year should improve all 3.

Probably all true but it's a huge gamble for a guy with his injury history to come back and roll the dice again for another year. He was fortunate to escape 2009 without any issues but if he pulls a Bradford next year it's going to hurt his status badly.

[sportz4life]

Originally Posted by Hongbit

Locker is good but he's no Andrew Luck. Now there's a kid with a bright future.

Hopefully better than his father..although what Oliver has accomplished off the field is far more impressive than anything he did on it.

[Hart]

Originally Posted by Mschottey1985

Here's My Top 100

Ndamukong Suh
Gerald McCoy
Joe Haden
Eric Berry
Dez Bryant
Russell Okung
Rolando McClain
CJ Spiller
Bryan Bulaga
Derrick Morgan

Earl Thomas
Sam Bradford
Jason Pierre-Paul
Dan Williams
Mike Iupati
Brandon Graham
Jimmy Clausen
Bruce Campbell
Carlos Dunlap
Brian Price

21. Anthony Davis
Trent Williams
Jermaine Gresham
Ryan Matthews
Taylor Mays
Brandon LaFell
Sean Weatherspoon
Jared Odrick
Brandon Spikes
Ricky Sapp

Devin McCourty
Jahvid Best
Everson Griffen
Sergio Kindle
Aaron Hernandez
Golden Tate
Kyle Wilson
Jonathan Dwyer
Charles Brown
Colt McCoy

41. Terrence Cody
Corey Wootton
Maurkice Pouncey
Patrick Robinson
Rob Gronkowski
Nate Allen
Kareem Jackson
Navorro Bowman
Dominique Franks
Jerry Hughes

Vladimir Ducasse
Syd'Quan Thompson
Anthony Dixon
Brandon Ghee
Jason Fox
Marshawn Gilyard
Dexter McCluster
Matt Tennant
Alex Carrington
Arrelious Benn

61. Roger Saffold
Chad Jones
Jeremy Williams
Greg Hardy
Tyson Alualu
Daryl Washington
Jon Asamoah
Perrish Cox
Koa Misi
Morgan Burnett

Dan LeFevour
Amari Spievey
Jacoby Ford
Jason Worilds
Sean Lee
Mike Johnson
Tim Tebow
Brandon Lang
Toby Gerhart
Demaryius Thomas

81. Jerome Murphy
Austen Lane
Donovan Warren
Selvish Capers
Tony Pike
Jordan Shipley
Colin Peak
Reshad Jones
Eric Norwood
Ed Dickson

TJ Ward
Cam Thomas
Damien Williams
Willie Young
Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
Ciron Black
Freddie Barnes
Rennie Curran
JD Walton
Mike Neal

Choosing between Haden and McCoy is going to be a tough call for the Lions. I think Haden is going to shoot up the boards between now and the draft and is going to make the Lions decision a tough one. Defensive tackle is a lot deeper than corner so if McCoy and Haden are graded equally, the smart move would probably be to take Haden because there will likely be more value at defensive tackle in the later rounds.

[Johnny Mac]

Originally Posted by Hart

Choosing between Haden and McCoy is going to be a tough call for the Lions. I think Haden is going to shoot up the boards between now and the draft and is going to make the Lions decision a tough one. Defensive tackle is a lot deeper than corner so if McCoy and Haden are graded equally, the smart move would probably be to take Haden because there will likely be more value at defensive tackle in the later rounds.

I do not know anyone who has Haden ranked ahead of McCoy, I do not think its that tough a decision.

[keystone]

Originally Posted by Johnny Mac

I do not know anyone who has Haden ranked ahead of McCoy, I do not think its that tough a decision.

Especially with Kyle Wilson available (predictably) at the 34th pick.

[Hart]

Originally Posted by Johnny Mac

I do not know anyone who has Haden ranked ahead of McCoy, I do not think its that tough a decision.

Not yet that don't. I am just predicting this is what is going to happen between now and draft day. I believe once scouts get a closer look at his film and he goes through the combine, Haden's stock will be on the rise.

[cruzer1]

Originally Posted by Hart

Not yet that don't. I am just predicting this is what is going to happen between now and draft day. I believe once scouts get a closer look at his film and he goes through the combine, Haden's stock will be on the rise.

It won't ever be that high. McCoy and Suh are on a different planet. Plus, they're defensive linemen, which are tougher positions to fill.

[Hart]

Originally Posted by cruzer1

It won't ever be that high. McCoy and Suh are on a different planet. Plus, they're defensive linemen, which are tougher positions to fill.

IMO, corner is now approaching the defensive line positions as being a premium position.

[84 Lives!!!]

Originally Posted by Hart

IMO, corner is now approaching the defensive line positions as being a premium position.

Since that is your opinion, and not NFL GM's position(s), most likely taken at the top will be QB's, LT's and pass-rushing DE's.

If you REALLY wanted to bolster your position, what you should do is list the top CB's taken say, in the top 5, over the past 10-20 years. I'm just sayin'...

[MAROTH4MVP]

Originally Posted by 84 Lives!!!

Since that is your opinion, and not NFL GM's position(s), most likely taken at the top will be QB's, LT's and pass-rushing DE's.

If you REALLY wanted to bolster your position, what you should do is list the top CB's taken say, in the top 5, over the past 10-20 years. I'm just sayin'...

The NFL has became a passing league in recent years.

[Johnny Mac]

Originally Posted by MAROTH4MVP

The NFL has became a passing league in recent years.

And? Best way to stop a passing attack is with pressure to force them to make fast decisions. If anything I think the defensive line has become MORE valuable in recent years, top DLineman always go ahead of the top corners in the class

2009 - 3 DE and 1 DT taken before first CB
2008 - 3 DE and 2 DT taken before first CB
2007 - 2 DE and 2 DT taken before first CB
2006 - 2 DE and 2 DT taken before first CB

You see a pattern?

[84 Lives!!!]

Originally Posted by Johnny Mac

And? Best way to stop a passing attack is with pressure to force them to make fast decisions. If anything I think the defensive line has become MORE valuable in recent years, top DLineman always go ahead of the top corners in the class

2009 - 3 DE and 1 DT taken before first CB
2008 - 3 DE and 2 DT taken before first CB
2007 - 2 DE and 2 DT taken before first CB
2006 - 2 DE and 2 DT taken before first CB

You see a pattern?

.


(meaning... I see a POINT!!!)

[cruzer1]

Originally Posted by Johnny Mac

And? Best way to stop a passing attack is with pressure to force them to make fast decisions. If anything I think the defensive line has become MORE valuable in recent years, top DLineman always go ahead of the top corners in the class

2009 - 3 DE and 1 DT taken before first CB
2008 - 3 DE and 2 DT taken before first CB
2007 - 2 DE and 2 DT taken before first CB
2006 - 2 DE and 2 DT taken before first CB

You see a pattern?

Good research.

[Motowncool]

This is interesting

Mayock has Gerald McCoy ahead of Suh

It will be interesting to see Mayock's explanation, which he'll probably give during NFLN's Scouting Combine coverage. Suh was more decorated and had much more collegiate production than McCoy. Suh also had two knee surgeries in college.

Mayock has Gerald McCoy ahead of Suh | ProFootballTalk.com

[cruzer1]

Originally Posted by Motowncool

This is interesting

Mayock has Gerald McCoy ahead of Suh

It will be interesting to see Mayock's explanation, which he'll probably give during NFLN's Scouting Combine coverage. Suh was more decorated and had much more collegiate production than McCoy. Suh also had two knee surgeries in college.

Mayock has Gerald McCoy ahead of Suh | ProFootballTalk.com

He's very smart.

[KleShreen]

Interesting. Drafttek.com has the Lions with the following draft:

Round 1: Gerald McCoy (DT - Oklahoma)
Round 2: Jonathan Dwyer (RB - Georgia Tech)
Round 3: Greg Hardy (DE - Ole Miss)
Round 4: Selvish Capers (OT - West Virginia)
Round 5: Brandon Carter (OG - Texas Tech)
Round 6: Stephan Virgil (CB - Virginia Tech)
Round 7: Myron Rolle (SS - Florida State)

I love this draft, but I would just like to see us take a CB around rounds 3/4 and push everything else down. It doesn't seem like Rolle will be around past the 3rd round, let alone the 7th.

[RedRamage]

Obviously depends on what we are able to get in Free Agency, but looking at that draft I wouldn't be disappointed. I'm happy to see an emphasis on the lines.

[cruzer1]

Originally Posted by KleShreen

Interesting. Drafttek.com has the Lions with the following draft:

Round 1: Gerald McCoy (DT - Oklahoma)
Round 2: Jonathan Dwyer (RB - Georgia Tech)
Round 3: Greg Hardy (DE - Ole Miss)
Round 4: Selvish Capers (OT - West Virginia)
Round 5: Brandon Carter (OG - Texas Tech)
Round 6: Stephan Virgil (CB - Virginia Tech)
Round 7: Myron Rolle (SS - Florida State)

I love this draft, but I would just like to see us take a CB around rounds 3/4 and push everything else down. It doesn't seem like Rolle will be around past the 3rd round, let alone the 7th.

That's a terrible draft, really. Capers is horrible...would you let him go against Jared Allen? I think not. Hardy should be named Hardly, he's hardly on the field. Drafttek is struggling in their rankings, to say the least.

[cruzer1]

Drafttek is completely need-based, instead of placing a value on the best player available, which is usually the case.

[sagnam]

Originally Posted by cruzer1

Drafttek is completely need-based, instead of placing a value on the best player available, which is usually the case.

Then set all the needs at the same value and try it again.

[billms]

Originally Posted by cruzer1

He's very smart.

Yep - but I also think its not an unreasonable position - just very uncommon - so this is an easy way to get attention by being a contrarian and yet not say something stupid.

[sagnam]

lol, BPA is awesome!

2. Eric Berry - FS
34. Jonathan Dwyer - RB
66. Dexter McCluster - WR
97. Joe McKnight - RB
129. Eric Decker - WR
142. Thaddeus Gibson - OLB
161. Cameron Sheffield - OLB
193. Jonathan Crompton - QB

[Motowncool]

Originally Posted by cruzer1

He's very smart.

Adds a bit of doubt into the #1 being a hands down no brainer.

[benrush]

I just completed my mock draft simulator on Drafttek. I am very happy with it.

1. McCoy DT
2. Wilson CB
3. Damion Williams WR
4. Alex Carrington DE
5. A) Ciron Black RG
5. b) Jacoby Ford WR
6. Myron Rolle SS
7. Lonyae Miller RB

[Johnny Mac]

Draftek is the only site I have seen that has Rolle going in the 6th/7th round, most of the other sites have him going 2 rounds ahead of that

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by sagnam

lol, BPA is awesome!

2. Eric Berry - FS
34. Jonathan Dwyer - RB
66. Dexter McCluster - WR
97. Joe McKnight - RB
129. Eric Decker - WR
142. Thaddeus Gibson - OLB
161. Cameron Sheffield - OLB
193. Jonathan Crompton - QB

No O-line + No D-Line= we suck even longer.

I love the McCluster pick though. McKnight is overated...a much less talented Reggie Bush

[Stormin' Norman]

Originally Posted by Johnny Mac

Draftek is the only site I have seen that has Rolle going in the 6th/7th round, most of the other sites have him going 2 rounds ahead of that

That's because Draftek's rankings came before the Senior Bowl, IIRC

[goldenbeast]

Originally Posted by Johnny Mac

And? Best way to stop a passing attack is with pressure to force them to make fast decisions. If anything I think the defensive line has become MORE valuable in recent years, top DLineman always go ahead of the top corners in the class

2009 - 3 DE and 1 DT taken before first CB
2008 - 3 DE and 2 DT taken before first CB
2007 - 2 DE and 2 DT taken before first CB
2006 - 2 DE and 2 DT taken before first CB

You see a pattern?

Yeah but to be intellectually honest you should compare how many 1st rd d-linemen made the pro bowl versus 1st rd CBs. Of course later picks usually go to better teams so you have to count that into the equation.

[cruzer1]

Originally Posted by Motowncool

Adds a bit of doubt into the #1 being a hands down no brainer.

The #1 pick could very well end up being a QB.

[Johnny Mac]

Originally Posted by goldenbeast

Yeah but to be intellectually honest you should compare how many 1st rd d-linemen made the pro bowl versus 1st rd CBs. Of course later picks usually go to better teams so you have to count that into the equation.

How would that do anything? The argument was CB should be more important to draft at #2, not whether someone taken mid first round made a pro bowl. Fact is NFL GM must think the DL is more important since they continue to draft them ahead of the CB. If you wanted a CB you should trade out of the #2 spot to lower in the draft because the #1 CB doesn't usually go until the 10 or later range. I think you could probably get down to 6 or 7 this year and still be able to get Haden. Your argument was whether its more important to get DL or CB, so how would judging CB taken later in the first round and how well they do getting to the pro bowl when their competition to get there are other CB prove your point?

[Shinzaki]

A strong DL can help a weak secondary. A strong secondary doesn't have as much impact on the DL. For a team llike the Lions that is in need of help in both areas, a DT makes more sense at #2 than a CB.

[cruzer1]

Originally Posted by Shinzaki

A strong DL can help a weak secondary. A strong secondary doesn't have as much impact on the DL. For a team llike the Lions that is in need of help in both areas, a DT makes more sense at #2 than a CB.

I disagree a little bit. A good secondary can give the line more time to get to the QB, so it does go hand in hand, but the line has more of an effect on the running game, which is the basics of the dline/dback argument. But I would be willing to bet, if you polled the GM's in the league, that dline is a bigger priority.

[Mschottey1985]

Bleacher Report is doing a team-by-team mock and each pick is made by a different team's featured columnist.

I did the honors for the Lions and took Gerald McCoy.


2010 NFL Draft: Featured Columnist Mock—Detroit Lions Take Gerald McCoy | Bleacher Report

[goldenbeast]

Originally Posted by Johnny Mac

How would that do anything? The argument was CB should be more important to draft at #2, not whether someone taken mid first round made a pro bowl. Fact is NFL GM must think the DL is more important since they continue to draft them ahead of the CB. If you wanted a CB you should trade out of the #2 spot to lower in the draft because the #1 CB doesn't usually go until the 10 or later range. I think you could probably get down to 6 or 7 this year and still be able to get Haden. Your argument was whether its more important to get DL or CB, so how would judging CB taken later in the first round and how well they do getting to the pro bowl when their competition to get there are other CB prove your point?

I haven't had an argument for this discussion. I was pointing out who's had more success. My point is perhaps this follow the leader mentallity that many of these GMs follow isn't a good rule to follow. Its not like the draft is an exact science. Look at how many flops have been picked in the 1st rd.

[rboyd428]

I think you are all forgetting who our head coach is. His name is Jim Schwartz, and he was the Defensive Coordinator for the Tennessee Titans before he accepted the position as our head coach. He had an extraordinarily strong D-line EVERY year.....ESPECIALLY in the middle. He did not use these smaller, "penetrating" DT's like Suh and McCoy. He employed HUGE, run-stuffing men like Haynesworth, who is 6 feet 6, and 350lbs. McCoy and Suh are 6'4-6'5, but don't have the considerable bulk, as they are about 290-300 if that. Schwartz likes to use these huge DT's to cover up the center and guards(possibly even one of the tackles, if both are double teamed), to free up his edge rushers (DE's) into 1 on 1 matchups. In the run game, this keeps the O-linemen off of his LB's so that they can make the tackles. If Schwartz's LB's have huge tackle totals, everything is going as planned. Even better if the D-line's totals are big haha. Anyways, what this all means to me is that I think we are more likely to see the pick of a Terrence Cody (Mt. Cody) in round 2 or 3, than we are McCoy or Suh. The Number 2 pick will either be: traded, or used on a position other than DT. Also, it is INSANE to take any DB that high, as the NFL is becoming a passer's league. With all the Def Pass Int's being drawn, a DB's ability to do his job is GREATLY hindered. Why would we spend such high draft pick on someone who won't be allowed to do their job. I say Kyle Wilson is a great option in rd 2-3. NO 1st rd DB's, not even Berry.

[Buddha]

Originally Posted by rboyd428

I think you are all forgetting who our head coach is. His name is Jim Schwartz, and he was the Defensive Coordinator for the Tennessee Titans before he accepted the position as our head coach. He had an extraordinarily strong D-line EVERY year.....ESPECIALLY in the middle. He did not use these smaller, "penetrating" DT's like Suh and McCoy. He employed HUGE, run-stuffing men like Haynesworth, who is 6 feet 6, and 350lbs. McCoy and Suh are 6'4-6'5, but don't have the considerable bulk, as they are about 290-300 if that. Schwartz likes to use these huge DT's to cover up the center and guards(possibly even one of the tackles, if both are double teamed), to free up his edge rushers (DE's) into 1 on 1 matchups. In the run game, this keeps the O-linemen off of his LB's so that they can make the tackles. If Schwartz's LB's have huge tackle totals, everything is going as planned. Even better if the D-line's totals are big haha. Anyways, what this all means to me is that I think we are more likely to see the pick of a Terrence Cody (Mt. Cody) in round 2 or 3, than we are McCoy or Suh. The Number 2 pick will either be: traded, or used on a position other than DT. Also, it is INSANE to take any DB that high, as the NFL is becoming a passer's league. With all the Def Pass Int's being drawn, a DB's ability to do his job is GREATLY hindered. Why would we spend such high draft pick on someone who won't be allowed to do their job. I say Kyle Wilson is a great option in rd 2-3. NO 1st rd DB's, not even Berry.

Nice post. I will say one thing, I think Haynesworth was a penetrating DT. Suh and McCoy may not be as big as the Tennessee's DT's of the past, but 1) they can put on bulk; 2) you can tailor your system to fit unique talents; and 3) You could always move them to DE since both are supposedly excellent athletes for men their size.

I still think McCoy or Suh are definite possibilities for the Lions at #2, and are the most logical choice other than trading down for multiple first rounders.

[goldenbeast]

Originally Posted by rboyd428

I think you are all forgetting who our head coach is. His name is Jim Schwartz, and he was the Defensive Coordinator for the Tennessee Titans before he accepted the position as our head coach. He had an extraordinarily strong D-line EVERY year.....ESPECIALLY in the middle. He did not use these smaller, "penetrating" DT's like Suh and McCoy. He employed HUGE, run-stuffing men like Haynesworth, who is 6 feet 6, and 350lbs. McCoy and Suh are 6'4-6'5, but don't have the considerable bulk, as they are about 290-300 if that. Schwartz likes to use these huge DT's to cover up the center and guards(possibly even one of the tackles, if both are double teamed), to free up his edge rushers (DE's) into 1 on 1 matchups. In the run game, this keeps the O-linemen off of his LB's so that they can make the tackles. If Schwartz's LB's have huge tackle totals, everything is going as planned. Even better if the D-line's totals are big haha. Anyways, what this all means to me is that I think we are more likely to see the pick of a Terrence Cody (Mt. Cody) in round 2 or 3, than we are McCoy or Suh. The Number 2 pick will either be: traded, or used on a position other than DT. Also, it is INSANE to take any DB that high, as the NFL is becoming a passer's league. With all the Def Pass Int's being drawn, a DB's ability to do his job is GREATLY hindered. Why would we spend such high draft pick on someone who won't be allowed to do their job. I say Kyle Wilson is a great option in rd 2-3. NO 1st rd DB's, not even Berry.

Haynesworth is a great pass rusher let alone run stopper. Opinion is that Cody is not a good pass rusher. But there is no way he falls to the 3rd rd. I'm not convinced he makes it out of rd 1.