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Raiola to get bowled over by DTs and flip off fans for another 4 years
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terrible news
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You 3 are all sunshine & happiness all the time, aren't you? This is not a bad signing. Raiola is a good center.
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"good center," lol.
Personally, I think "not bad" and "good" are two entirely different things.
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This move just indicates that yes indeed, he's a wonderful practice player.
Pure garbage on Sunday. From day one.
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"good center," lol.
Personally, I think "not bad" and "good" are two entirely different things.
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You don't know what good is, then. Raiola is a very good center.
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This move is ignorant at best. In a time when teams are shifting to the 3-4 defense, the lions decide to re-up a undersized center for 4 additional years.
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Given the available choices, Raiola was probably the best option.
I don't think Raiola is a bad player, he's average. There's something to be said for average that never gets hurt.
Put it this way, he's the Jeff Backus of centers! :)
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Every play of his career is on film and analyzed on a weekly basis and the professionals who should know have found him to be worthy of an extension.
Yet some "know it alls" contend that he is not an NFL caliber center and want him replaced by some complete unknown player under the logic that 'anybody would be better'.
Seems we have the same old argument.
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He's not undersized. He's big enough, and is extremely athletic.
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He's not undersized. He's big enough, and is extremely athletic.
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hopefully the new regime will get the most out of his talents. i'm thinking that they should make him use a really complicated technique to deliver the ball to the QB, since he's probably the only C in the league that has the skills to do something more elaborate than to just put it between his legs. then, after he snaps the ball, they need to design a scheme that will utilize his speed to quickly get to a rusher so that he can be dominated by that player faster than any other C in the league.
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hopefully the new regime will get the most out of his talents. i'm thinking that they should make him use a really complicated technique to deliver the ball to the QB, since he's probably the only C in the league that has the skills to do something more elaborate than to just put it between his legs. then, after he snaps the ball, they need to design a scheme that will utilize his speed to quickly get to a rusher so that he can be dominated by that player faster than any other C in the league.
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People talk about him being undersized. He's 6'2", 295lbs. Mangold is 6'3", 300lbs; Saturday is 6'2", 295; O'Hara is 6'3", 300; Kreutz is 6'2", 290. He's not undersized for a center. Guys like Jamaal Jackson (6'4", 330lbs.) are the exception, not the norm.
None of this makes him good (for the record, I think he's an average to above average center who plays every game), but I'm sick of people acting like his size is a drawback.
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He's an average to above average center. 4 years may be a little too long, but they can just cut him before his last year if they found someone else to take his spot on the roster. Not a bad deal.
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All depends on the money. I have no problem with it, I always thought if he got to a good organization/offensive line, he'd more than hold his own.
But after all, it's only a center.
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Raiola is a good center, the undersized statement is just something people hear and then use against him with no barring or research to conclude that it is an accurate statement. He's got average size...period. How about give him 2 consistant guards on either side of him that are with a damn and see what he gives you when he actually has someone to help him block. There's been a rotating door at LG for years, Peterman is solid, the right side of the line isn't the problem and neither is Raiola.
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You don't know what good is, then. Raiola is a very good center.
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I guess that means he ran the 40 fast.
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I forgot where I saw this originally posted but...Raiola was ranked the #8 center in the NFL in May. That shows that national professional talent evalutators put Raiola among the best in the game...
Center rankings: Some of the smartest players on the field | Sporting News
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You 3 are all sunshine & happiness all the time, aren't you? This is not a bad signing. Raiola is a good center.
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What classifies him as good in your book?
I don't think he's horrible, but he's not really anything special either. Plus, I'm not really a fan of a guy who flicks off his hometown fans for booing a team that was so pathetically bad it wasn't even funny, and then tries to back his actions up.....
But now, he says he's "put to much into this" and that he "wants to be a part of when this thing turns around."
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What classifies him as good in your book?
I don't think he's horrible, but he's not really anything special either. Plus, I'm not really a fan of a guy who flicks off his hometown fans for booing a team that was so pathetically bad it wasn't even funny, and then tries to back his actions up.....
But now, he says he's "put to much into this" and that he "wants to be a part of when this thing turns around."
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I'm not a football coach, so I don't feel qualified to pick apart the various parts of his game, but I trust what other talent evaluators say about him. He's not at the top of the list, but he's not at the bottom of most lists either. It's easy to get down on a guy for flipping you off, but it was a single event & doesn't seem to be a regular part of his character.
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Every play of his career is on film and analyzed on a weekly basis and the professionals who should know have found him to be worthy of an extension.
Yet some "know it alls" contend that he is not an NFL caliber center and want him replaced by some complete unknown player under the logic that 'anybody would be better'.
Seems we have the same old argument.
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Have you been paying attention to the Lions organizations talent evaluation skills, they haven't been exactly on target in many of their judgements.
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Have you been paying attention to the Lions organizations talent evaluation skills, they haven't been exactly on target in many of their judgements.
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See Post #19
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Scouts Inc had him ranked as the 12th best center. Of the top 15 they had up there, the average size was 6'3, 298. So he's a couple inches shorter than the average, but only two pounds lighter (not that the listed weight data is all that accurate). I agree with the assessment that Raola is an average, maybe slightly above-average center, but he's a tough guy to evaluate because of Detroit's guard play (their starting tandem was regarded as one of the worst two or three in the NFL according to scouts).
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Yep. Pretty good list, too. Like I said above, this is a good deal. May be a little long but Raiola is an above average center on a really bad team. B/c of that, some fans will assume he is a bad player simply by association. He is our best lineman and we had to re-sign him. Too long of a deal for my liking, but that does not matter as much in the NFL as it does for MLB, NBA or NHL.
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Cue Price is Right fail horn for some of the comments in this thread.
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Cue Price is Right fail horn for some of the comments in this thread.
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They have a list for wide receivers too. Guess where they rate Calvin Johnson?
11th. One spot higher than Roy Williams.
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Raiola is a good center, the undersized statement is just something people hear and then use against him with no barring or research to conclude that it is an accurate statement.
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Delicious. The first point in Raiola's scouting report from your link.
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lol. I guess the best talent evaluators don't do their research, right?
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This thread title made me laugh a lot.
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Agreed...I don't necessarily agreement with the assessment, but this was pretty funny.
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They have a list for wide receivers too. Guess where they rate Calvin Johnson?
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Right. Funny how people rip publications all the time here for their evaluation of talent, or lack of, but then in certain cases & with certain publications, it's all forgotten and used as a tool to back up a player......So I guess moral of the story is since it was found that a couple places thought that Raiola was top 10-15 Center in the league, that automatically means he's good, even though some of their other positional rankings are comical....
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Delicious. The first point in Raiola's scouting report from your link.
lol. I guess the best talent evaluators don't do their research, right?
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Too many people put too much on height...look at your pinky finger and cut it in half, that's how much shorter Raiola is than the "average" sized center...tell me that difference makes him less adequate to play the position and I will sit here and laugh my *** off. Don't get me wrong, I get your point, but height isn't as big of a factor in some positions as others. Now if your talking about a QB being 6'1" or 6'3" that makes a bit of a difference and does make them a more effective player if they are taller...but the center doesn't have to see over anyone, throw the ball over anyone, or jump over anyone to catch it...2 inches shorter than "average" isn't an arguement you can make about him not being a good center.
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They have a list for wide receivers too. Guess where they rate Calvin Johnson?
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And?
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You really think Calvin Johnson is just ahead of Roy Williams as far as top WR's in the league go?
I mean, I know their numbers are pretty comparable.....Oh wait, no they're not.....
Roy Williams had a solid 430 yards & 2 TD's last year  , while Calvin had 1330 and 12 TD's, which was also better than Roy Williams career high in Yards and TD's. All this only happened in CJ's second year too....but again, yeah I can see how one would think that they should be rated right next to each other in terms of Best WR's in the League..... 
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And the same people citing these "ratings" as proof that Raiola is good are the same people who think calvin johnson is the best receiver in football.
raiola's not the problem with the Lions. he's an average center.
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And the same people citing these "ratings" as proof that Raiola is good are the same people who think calvin johnson is the best receiver in football.
raiola's not the problem with the Lions. he's an average center.
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Wait, I thought they had CJ 11th?
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Wait, I thought they had CJ 11th?
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What's your point?
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They have a list for wide receivers too. Guess where they rate Calvin Johnson?
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And the same people citing these "ratings" as proof that Raiola is good are the same people who think calvin johnson is the best receiver in football.
raiola's not the problem with the Lions. he's an average center.
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Which is it?
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I don't see what you don't understand.
On the one hand, people are citing these ratings are proof Raiola's ability and standing in the League. However, the same people would never cite the ratings as proof of Calvin Johnson's ability and standing in the League because the ratings said he was 11th and they think he's first.
Get it?
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I don't see what you don't understand.
On the one hand, people are citing these ratings are proof Raiola's ability and standing in the League. However, the same people would never cite the ratings as proof of Calvin Johnson's ability and standing in the League because the ratings said he was 11th and they think he's first.
Get it?
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I guess I don't get it because I agree with both rankings.
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