BCS Bowls... Michgian could make it, but MSU couldn't?!?

**SpartanValor** · 12-04-2011, 08:14 PM

slmandel Stewart Mandel
I'm going to be in New Orleans Jan. 3 and I'm not sure I'd even bother to watch Virginia Tech-Michigan.

**SpartanValor** · 12-04-2011, 08:26 PM

RT @LVSatTOC Michigan has beaten one currently-ranked team. VT has beaten none. Ladies and gentlemen, the BCS!

**hail2mich** · 12-04-2011, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by SpartanValor

RT @LVSatTOC Michigan has beaten one currently-ranked team. VT has beaten none. Ladies and gentlemen, the BCS!

Originally Posted by SpartanValor

slmandel Stewart Mandel
I'm going to be in New Orleans Jan. 3 and I'm not sure I'd even bother to watch Virginia Tech-Michigan.

Nice job trying to get a reaction. Have fun at the Outback Bowl

**The Ghost of Neifi** · 12-04-2011, 08:32 PM

Well, it didn't take long for MSU fans to get butt-hurt

**SpartanValor** · 12-04-2011, 08:33 PM

I think its hilarious. Michigan fans should be embarrassed.

**Vonlenska** · 12-04-2011, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by SpartanValor

I think its hilarious. Michigan fans should be embarrassed.

On the contrary, I'd say you should be embarrassed for yourself.

**FRM710** · 12-04-2011, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by SpartanValor

I think its hilarious. Michigan fans should be embarrassed.

LOL

**SpartanValor** · 12-04-2011, 08:38 PM

Vonlenska shouldnt you be posting in the msu forum right now?

**jackson_cannery** · 12-04-2011, 08:38 PM

edit.... wrong thread.

**hail2mich** · 12-04-2011, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by SpartanValor

I think its hilarious. Michigan fans should be embarrassed.

Seriously, why do you care so much? This is why people think MSU fans have a inferiority complex. People would take the MSU program much more seriously if you didn't focus so much on another program. MSU won the division, played one hell of a game last night, and you are here talking **** about Michigan.

**The Ghost of Neifi** · 12-04-2011, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by hail2mich

Seriously, why do you care so much? This is why people think MSU fans have a inferiority complex. People would take the MSU program much more seriously if you didn't focus so much on another program. MSU won the division, played one hell of a game last night, and you are here talking **** about Michigan.

The penis envy complex.

Trolls be a trollin' now

**New_Age_X** · 12-04-2011, 08:43 PM

I really gotta think that after the two great games against Wisky this year and he top 10 D that MSU will get into the Cap 1 bowl. What other B1G school would really have a shot at that game?

**monkeynuts** · 12-04-2011, 08:43 PM

I don't think UM fans should be embarrassed...I mean, congrats on a decent season and moreso having a popular football team. It just shows how stupid it is - two teams ranked higher in the BCS weren't chosen over V Tech and UM because they weren't as big of programs. Quality of team simply does not matter - it's all butts in seats, TV ratings, and money. It's such a stupid system.

Nonetheless, enjoy the game UM fans.

**SpartanValor** · 12-04-2011, 08:45 PM

This has nothing to do with msu. We dont deserve a BCS berth.

But michigan sure as hell doesnt either. And neithee does VT for that reason.

I know you guys benefit from the capital greed- er, bcs, but is it really that difficult to understand why people prefer a merit based system? Go ask stanford and okie state fans how they feel right now.

**monkeynuts** · 12-04-2011, 08:47 PM

BCS at-large bids are basically complete popularity contests.

**SpartanValor** · 12-04-2011, 08:49 PM

For the record, i hope msu removes nd, and all other bcs level teams, from their scheduke asap. True american values- take the easy road, reap the rewards.

**Vonlenska** · 12-04-2011, 08:51 PM

I'm not going to say Michigan didn't deserve to get this bid. They did go 10-2, lost to a very good MSU team on the road, smashed Nebraska, and finally ended the drought against a weaker than usual OSU team. But it is quite obvious they are in a BCS game because they are Michigan. Let's not act like this is Michigan's fault, or that Michigan fans should be embarrassed because Michigan happens to be one of the most prestigious teams in College Football.

There are probably a few teams that deserve to be playing in a BCS game over Michigan. But it's not like Michigan went 7-5, guys. Sure they had an easy schedule but you can't fault them for winning games.

**The Ghost of Neifi** · 12-04-2011, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by SpartanValor

This has nothing to do with msu. We dont deserve a BCS berth.

But michigan sure as hell doesnt either. And neithee does VT for that reason.

I know you guys benefit from the capital greed- er, bcs, but is it really that difficult to understand why people prefer a merit based system? Go ask stanford and okie state fans how they feel right now.

I guess Oklahoma State should've beaten Iowa State. Stanford? please..

If you're a Michigan fan, you have nothing to be ashamed about. Especially since you needed some help to even clinch a BCS bid.

**jaymo** · 12-04-2011, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Vonlenska

I'm not going to say Michigan didn't deserve to get this bid. They did go 10-2, lost to a very good MSU team on the road, smashed Nebraska, and finally ended the drought against a weaker than usual OSU team. But it is quite obvious they are in a BCS game because they are Michigan. Let's not act like this is Michigan's fault, or that Michigan fans should be embarrassed because Michigan happens to be one of the most prestigious teams in College Football.

There are probably a few teams that deserve to be playing in a BCS game over Michigan. But it's not like Michigan went 7-5, guys. Sure they had an easy schedule but you can't fault them for winning games.

Smashed Nebraska, but all your points still stand.

**SpartanValor** · 12-04-2011, 08:55 PM

I only hope i have the opportunity to use this argument in 2013.

**Gehringer_2** · 12-04-2011, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by monkeynuts

I don't think UM fans should be embarrassed...I mean, congrats on a decent season and moreso having a popular football team. It just shows how stupid it is - two teams ranked higher in the BCS weren't chosen over V Tech and UM because they weren't as big of programs. Quality of team simply does not matter - it's all butts in seats, TV ratings, and money. It's such a stupid system.

Nonetheless, enjoy the game UM fans.

"Quality of team" is just another one of those 'stupid' things that can join back of the line of things that should matter more in the NCAA than they do. This generation's NCAA and it stepchild the BCS are about nothing if not the money, so there should be no surprise there.

**The Ghost of Neifi** · 12-04-2011, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Vonlenska

I'm not going to say Michigan didn't deserve to get this bid. They did go 10-2, lost to a very good MSU team on the road, smashed Nebraska, and finally ended the drought against a weaker than usual OSU team. But it is quite obvious they are in a BCS game because they are Michigan. Let's not act like this is Michigan's fault, or that Michigan fans should be embarrassed because Michigan happens to be one of the most prestigious teams in College Football.

There are probably a few teams that deserve to be playing in a BCS game over Michigan. But it's not like Michigan went 7-5, guys. Sure they had an easy schedule but you can't fault them for winning games.

And, to be fair to Michigan, both their losses came on the road.

One to MSU(who had the week off prior) and Iowa(where at the very least should've went into overtime). College Football as a whole was weak this year.

But that doesn't discount Michigan's season. Which was far better than expected

**dadair6** · 12-04-2011, 09:02 PM

Since the beginning of time bowls have been exhibition games. Just because there's now a "BCS" nothing changes. They've always been ways to attract visitors to the bowl's locale and make money. Aside from #1 vs. #2 and no more automatic conference ties, nothing has changed. Bowls are still exhibition games.

**monkeynuts** · 12-04-2011, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by dadair6

Since the beginning of time bowls have been exhibition games. Just because there's now a "BCS" nothing changes. They've always been ways to attract visitors to the bowl's locale and make money. Aside from #1 vs. #2 and no more automatic conference ties, bowls are still exhibition games.

So true. Outside of the MNCG, they really don't matter.

...the Rose Bowl is maybe the exception though...

**monkeynuts** · 12-04-2011, 09:16 PM

There are four teams in front of Virginia Tech that are not going to a BCS game and five teams in front of Michigan that are not going to a BCS game.

The people who run the joint are happy...it's built for the big boys...and rest of us are just tag alongs...

**monkeynuts** · 12-04-2011, 09:24 PM

To the orginial question, apparently Jay Bilas (who I've loved for years) is confused as well...tweeted tonight...

JayBilas Jay Bilas
Every game counts? Michigan State beats Michigan, plays in tight Big Ten title game. Wolverines stay home, and go to BCS bowl game. Huh?!

**FRM710** · 12-04-2011, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by monkeynuts

There are four teams in front of Virginia Tech that are not going to a BCS game and five teams in front of Michigan that are not going to a BCS game.

The people who run the joint are happy...it's built for the big boys...and rest of us are just tag alongs...

Interesting admission on your part. UM = Big Boy MSU = tag alongs.

**monkeynuts** · 12-04-2011, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by FRM710

Interesting admission on your part. UM = Big Boy MSU = tag alongs.

Nobody is going to argue that Michigan is a more popular football program than MSU. That's the point. It's built for the "popular" kids and the other ones are left on the outside looking in. It's not about merit. That's inarguable.

**Shelton** · 12-04-2011, 09:44 PM

This was the list of teams eligible for at large selection given BCS selection rules:

7 Boise
8 K State or 12 Baylor or 14 Oklahoma
11 VT
13 Michigan

**Gehringer_2** · 12-04-2011, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by dadair6

Since the beginning of time bowls have been exhibition games. Just because there's now a "BCS" nothing changes. They've always been ways to attract visitors to the bowl's locale and make money. Aside from #1 vs. #2 and no more automatic conference ties, nothing has changed. Bowls are still exhibition games.

Yup. They would have been better off to leave the bowls with the traditional league tie-ins and just add the one championship game for the consensus #1 v #2. Each bowl could actually better market their ties and build a regional following. The money would be as good or better and the objective would go back to winning your conference for most teams.

**dadair6** · 12-04-2011, 09:47 PM

This is taken from the BCS' website. Nowhere do they mention the other four bowls are for the best teams or highest ranked teams, they're for "highly regarded" teams.

"The BCS is a five-game showcase of college football. It is designed to ensure that the two top-rated teams in the country meet in the national championship game, and to create exciting and competitive matchups among eight other highly regarded teams in four other bowl games."

**monkeynuts** · 12-04-2011, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Shelton

This was the list of teams eligible for at large selection given BCS selection rules:

7 Boise
8 K State or 12 Baylor or 14 Oklahoma
11 VT
13 Michigan

Arkansas I know doesn't qualify due to dumb BCS rules, but they are ranked highly as well.

**Johnny Mac** · 12-04-2011, 09:57 PM

What a freackin whine fest.....geeze

**Johnny Mac** · 12-04-2011, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by SpartanValor

I think its hilarious. Michigan fans should be embarrassed.

I think State fans should be more embarrassed for the reaction of some of their fans to this.

**Buddha** · 12-04-2011, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by SpartanValor

I think its hilarious. Michigan fans should be embarrassed.

Ha ha! Some things never change. Now tell me how Benke started this and the circle will be complete!

You were in the Big Ten championship game. Can't you just enjoy it? Jesus Christ.

**Shelton** · 12-04-2011, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by monkeynuts

Arkansas I know doesn't qualify due to dumb BCS rules, but they are ranked highly as well.

And South Carolina. My point is that based on the rules for selection that reduce the at large pool to teams in the top 14 (merit based) and the limit on teams from a conference (also fair, IMO) it's not like Michigan was selected based solely on their name. I'd probably rank them based on merit in this order:

Big XII
Michigan
Boise
VT

**Johnny Mac** · 12-04-2011, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Buddha

Ha ha! Some things never change. Now tell me how Benke started this and the circle will be complete!

You were in the Big Ten championship game. Can't you just enjoy it? Jesus Christ.

Well considering pretty much everyone at MSU and probably almost all the last 2 graduating classes (beside people who took time off between HS and college) were not even alive last time MSU made a BCS level game, I can understand the frustration. But the reaction is really really bad from a lot of MSU fans I know. They are not taking it well.

**Buddha** · 12-04-2011, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by monkeynuts

To the orginial question, apparently Jay Bilas (who I've loved for years) is confused as well...tweeted tonight...

JayBilas Jay Bilas
Every game counts? Michigan State beats Michigan, plays in tight Big Ten title game. Wolverines stay home, and go to BCS bowl game. Huh?!

That's hilarious! Jay Bilas thinks Tommy Amaker built the Michigan football program...

**monkeynuts** · 12-04-2011, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by dadair6

This is taken from the BCS' website. Nowhere do they mention the other four bowls are for the best teams or highest ranked teams, they're for "highly regarded" teams.

"The BCS is a five-game showcase of college football. It is designed to ensure that the two top-rated teams in the country meet in the national championship game, and to create exciting and competitive matchups among eight other highly regarded teams in four other bowl games."

BCS games are highly viewed and built for big programs...the more people viewing, it gets recruits pumped...which leads to the same big programs being good since good players want national exposure.

**monkeynuts** · 12-04-2011, 10:13 PM

For the record, I think Kansas State has a much bigger gripe than MSU. I'm not trying to "whine" about MSU, I'm just arguing against the unfairness of the whole system.