Michigan, AD, Sanctions, Coaches.....what's gonna happen?

[Motor City Sonics]

Is Michigan going to avoid NCAA purgatory by making a deal - admitting to lesser sanctions to avoid a whopper sanction, but in the process finding the out that will cost Rich Rod his job (at no expense)?



If so, who is the next coach? Don't they have to hire an AD first? Could that AD be in place by January 1st.



By the sound of it, Weis will be fired soon and Brian Kelly is going to end up at Notre Dame.


Two losing seasons in a row.


I think Rich Rod deserves at least a third year. I just don't think he's gonna get it.

[slim pickens]

Rich Rod will be here next season. Weis may be fired, but Kelly wont go to Notre Dame.

[whoknew]

There are no serious violations.

Rich Rodriguez will be the coach next season.

Weis is fired. They won't hire Kelly.

[sinister porpoise]

Originally Posted by whoknew

There are no serious violations.

Rich Rodriguez will be the coach next season.

Weis is fired. They won't hire Kelly.

+1

[Todd]

Originally Posted by sinister porpoise

+1

+2

[lionstigersand...]

Michigan found in minor violation, a few scholarships are lost with a year or two of probation tossed on...Rich Rod returns and wins 7 games.

[Truth]

Originally Posted by lionstigersand...

Michigan found in minor violation, a few scholarships are lost with a year or two of probation tossed on...Rich Rod returns and wins 7 games.

NCAA violations? I guess why not, he has snapped winning season and bowl appearance streaks and achieved a number of other record-tying lows. No reason to take issue with his tarnishing of yet another once proud tradition of the program.

[lionstigersand...]

Originally Posted by Truth

NCAA violations? I guess why not, he has snapped winning season and bowl appearance streaks and achieved a number of other record-tying lows. No reason to take issue with his tarnishing of yet another once proud tradition of the program.

Teams that were found to be guilty of doing the things Michigan has allegedly done, were given that punishment. Not that big a deal in the grand scheme...Not as big as say, finding a defensive fix in 9 months; and getting Devin Gardner or Denard Robinson up to speed.

[Johnny Mac]

Prediction? At least 5 more threads on Rich Rods fate

[slim pickens]

Originally Posted by Johnny Mac

Prediction? At least 5 more threads on Rich Rods fate

5??? there will be more than that just in the next week.

[potthole]

Originally Posted by lionstigersand...

Rich Rod returns and wins 7 games.

If Michigan only wins seven games in 2010, and one of them isn't OSU, and another one isn't either ND/MSU, then I think we'll be having similar conversations about RR's fate one year from now.

[Who is the Drizzle?]

Originally Posted by Motor City Sonics

Is Michigan going to avoid NCAA purgatory by making a deal - admitting to lesser sanctions to avoid a whopper sanction, but in the process finding the out that will cost Rich Rod his job (at no expense)?



If so, who is the next coach? Don't they have to hire an AD first? Could that AD be in place by January 1st.



By the sound of it, Weis will be fired soon and Brian Kelly is going to end up at Notre Dame.


Two losing seasons in a row.


I think Rich Rod deserves at least a third year. I just don't think he's gonna get it.

I don't know how you could think any of those things unless you have some sort of inside information. If you do, you should probably just come out and say that you do instead of pretending you don't.

Martin said RR is absolutely the coach; Kelly apparently has been documented to be pro-life; ND protested Obama when he was popular for being such....so I don't see how that happens.

[MissouriKaline6]

Originally Posted by lionstigersand...

Teams that were found to be guilty of doing the things Michigan has allegedly done, were given that punishment. Not that big a deal in the grand scheme...Not as big as say, finding a defensive fix in 9 months; and getting Devin Gardner or Denard Robinson up to speed.

What could happen, is what the NCAA applied in a recent case, was to ban the HC from having contact with the program during summer workouts. That seems to be about the right punishment.

[Buddha]

Originally Posted by lionstigersand...

Michigan found in minor violation, a few scholarships are lost with a year or two of probation tossed on...Rich Rod returns and wins 7 games.

In violation of what?

There won't be anything from the NCAA.

RRod gets one more year. If they don't win 8 or beat OSU next season, he's out.

[Motor City Sonics]

Originally Posted by Who is the Drizzle?

I don't know how you could think any of those things unless you have some sort of inside information. If you do, you should probably just come out and say that you do instead of pretending you don't.

Martin said RR is absolutely the coach; Kelly apparently has been documented to be pro-life; ND protested Obama when he was popular for being such....so I don't see how that happens.

When has an AD or General Manager said of a current coach/manager. "He might not be our guy". I would think the closest would be Daniel Snyder of the Redskins saying they'd have to evaluate things (meaning Jim Zorn is fired), but I don't really think we want to use Snyder as an example. And since Notre Dame is a Catholic school, I don't think being pro-life is a problem (unless you meant to say pro-choice). I think they probably want someone who is pro-win. I think the problem with Notre Dame is they seem to want some mythical perfect person that doesn't exist.

I don't want Rich Rod fired. I think he will have a very good team, but it might take him longer than expected and lets face it - there is a huge division in the Michigan athletic department when it comes to Rich Rod and that isn't going away after a 1-7 season in the Big Ten. I have no idea what is going to happen, but all I can expect is that something unexpected will happen. Rich Rod did nothing to hurt himself in the Ohio State game, the defense contained OSU, the offense moved the ball well. Can't blame the coach for mistakes the players made.

[Motor City Sonics]

and Michigan is falling into this perfection thing.

Can't be Kelly because he might be racist.
Can't be Harbaugh because he pissed off a few people last year
Can't be (insert name here) because he is in a small conference.
Can't be Les Miles because he didn't take it last time.
Can't be Schiano because he wants the Penn State job.
Can't be Gruden because he doesn't want to kiss up enough.


Michigan and Notre Dame's politics are brutal.

[Who is the Drizzle?]

yeah i meant he's pro-choice.

i have no idea what the point is of the rest of your 2 posts, other than you have a hunch. weis is gone, i just don't see why you would think it's kelly.

[sportz4life]

a few predictioins:

David Brandon Michigan AD
Rich Rodriguez fired Jim Harbaugh hired
Charlie Weis fired and Tony Dungy hired.

[Motor City Sonics]

Originally Posted by sportz4life

a few predictioins:

David Brandon Michigan AD
Rich Rodriguez fired Jim Harbaugh hired
Charlie Weis fired and Tony Dungy hired.

Wow, Dungy? I don't think he wants that kind of stress. Being a college coach is way different from being a pro coach. Just the politics alone. I don't know if Dungy has anything to prove or if he has any desire to coach again. He can make a lot of money talking about football. But it's a bold prediction.

[Truth]

Originally Posted by Motor City Sonics

When has an AD or General Manager said of a current coach/manager. "He might not be our guy". I would think the closest would be Daniel Snyder of the Redskins saying they'd have to evaluate things (meaning Jim Zorn is fired), but I don't really think we want to use Snyder as an example. And since Notre Dame is a Catholic school, I don't think being pro-life is a problem (unless you meant to say pro-choice). I think they probably want someone who is pro-win. I think the problem with Notre Dame is they seem to want some mythical perfect person that doesn't exist.

I don't want Rich Rod fired. I think he will have a very good team, but it might take him longer than expected and lets face it - there is a huge division in the Michigan athletic department when it comes to Rich Rod and that isn't going away after a 1-7 season in the Big Ten. I have no idea what is going to happen, but all I can expect is that something unexpected will happen. Rich Rod did nothing to hurt himself in the Ohio State game, the defense contained OSU, the offense moved the ball well. Can't blame the coach for mistakes the players made.

Michigan had a lot of recruits at the game Saturday, Martin said what he had to say. In fact, his first quote was something like he's our coach next year as of today. When questioned about inserting "today" he said then take it out of the statement.

This doesn't mean he's gone but I wouldn't be at all surprised at all if he was fired, especially if the NCAA investigation gives them cause to get out of his contract. I don't know what's going on with that though since Rodriguez has hinted that there is more to the story that he can't talk about right now. I think it's something since he and his agent met with Coleman.

[sportz4life]

Originally Posted by Motor City Sonics

Wow, Dungy? I don't think he wants that kind of stress. Being a college coach is way different from being a pro coach. Just the politics alone. I don't know if Dungy has anything to prove or if he has any desire to coach again. He can make a lot of money talking about football. But it's a bold prediction.

the perfect fit on so many levels.

[Motor City Sonics]

Originally Posted by Who is the Drizzle?

yeah i meant he's pro-choice.

i have no idea what the point is of the rest of your 2 posts, other than you have a hunch. weis is gone, i just don't see why you would think it's kelly.

He's going for football coach - not pope. (Of course at Notre Dame there doesn't seem to be a distinction between the two at times). Notre Dame hasn't won or been near a national championship since they filled in their stadium and blocked the view of Touchdown Jesus. Sometimes I think we expect way too much from football coaches. It seems like they all have something negative in their distant or recent past. Or is it that in the past that there were only three TV networks and a couple of local newspapers? No 24 hour sports channels, no internet bloggers, no players bitching on Twitter or Facebook, no sports talk radio. I doubt that any coach in the past could stand up to legendary status with that kind of constant media pressure.

Some of the Michigan faithful that loved Bo get angry that Rich Rod screams at his players? Really, Bo never screamed at a player, are you kidding me? Michigan has been lucky with their coaching transitions in recent years. Everyone knew that Gary Moeller would be the head coach after Bo, they knew it two years before Bo retired and that's why Mo didn't take any other job at that time. Easy transition, Mo. was already doing a lot of the head coach's duties behind the scenes, Mo was recruiting as much, if not more, than Bo was. Then when Mo was forced to leave (after having one bad night) it was easy for Lloyd Carr to step in for the same reasons. (if Bo hadn't been on vacation when it the story broke, Mo wouldn't have resigned and Tom Goss would have folded before Mo did). I still think its' b.s. that one drunken embarrassing night for an otherwise good man should ruin a whole career.

Michigan did not have that luxury this time around. Mike DeBord and Ron English just weren't in that position yet. Miles' hand was forced by LSU as a National Championship game approached, Schiano flat out turned them down because he is waiting for Joe Paterno to retire and Urban Meyer didn't really show any interest at that time. If Lloyd Carr stepped down a year earlier, Les Miles would have been the head coach - no doubt. I really don't know what some of these Michigan people wanted. I wish the NCAA would put a hiring freeze/interview freeze between the end of the regular season and the final bowl game. I wish the NFL would do the same during the playoffs and maybe even a little longer. This way coaches of other schools or coordinators can focus on finishing the season and then the interview process can start later. Some Michigan fans complain about Bill Martin not being able to hire a good coach, but he hired John Beilein and that was a brilliant move.

Basically NCAA violations with a 10-2 coach are swept under the rug, 5-7 after a 3-9 season, the pitchforks come out. I don't blame Rich Rod for his first year, and I don't blame him totally for this season, but he does have to take some responsibility for it.

Rich Rod has been treated poorly, but sometimes he doesn't help himself. He doesn't seem to be blessed with the media savvy that Bo had, but then again, Bo had more control over the whole situation. Lloyd Carr was savvy enough to just not say much most of the time. Sometimes things are just a bad fit. The whole thing has worked against him. Not being the obvious first or even second choice, having NFL-caliber players like Henne, Hart, Manningham, Arrington, Jake Long all leave at the same time, having the heir apparent QB leaving before even talking to the coach, having walk on QBs, bringing in a new system, having Michigan pay WVU the buyout clause for him, the controversy over being friends with a shady booster at Clemson, the South Carolina condo lawsuit, not having played or coached in the state of Michigan.....everything was off from the start - it was a perfect storm.

And about these missing practice logs. Do you think Rich Rodriguez fills these out himself? Do you think any head coaches do? Do you think that this is something he did at West Virginia and suddenly forgot to do at Michigan? Probably not. Sounds like someone in the compliance office either dropped the ball or just kind of let it slide (I think whomever it was just kind of let it slide - for a whole season because I don't know how you miss something like that). The whole thing is a mess. I am defending Rich Rod, but I think the writing is on the wall and it was even before the Illinois game - he is not destined to be the coach for the long term or even mid term and everyone knows it. Just get it over with and move on and get that whole department and everyone that has anything to do with it to back the next guy 100%.

[Motor City Sonics]

Originally Posted by Truth

Michigan had a lot of recruits at the game Saturday, Martin said what he had to say. In fact, his first quote was something like he's our coach next year as of today. When questioned about inserting "today" he said then take it out of the statement.

Martin should be smart enough to know once he said "today" he opened up a can of worms. You can't make a statement and just say - oh, take that one word out. Even if you didn't mean to say it, you said it. AS OF TODAY stands out to me, intention or not. (maybe the NHL can let us know what he intended to do - like they do with their refs).

[hueytaxi]

Having trouble finding the issue with Michigan. If someone would give a recap or direction to a link please...

[djhutch]

All you need to know about Rich Rodriguez' future is in this quote by UM Prez Mary Sue Coleman.

"I don't think it's fair to coaches to bring them in and say, 'We're going to give you three years,' " she said. "When Tommy Amaker came in, we stuck with him for six years. It just wasn't going to work; it wasn't the right fit. But it wasn't a rushed decision."

Rodriguez will be the coach next season.

[Edman85]

Regarding the three years bit, you can point to several coaches in the Big Ten who have done in their first two years, while starting with less.

[potthole]

Originally Posted by Motor City Sonics

Can't be Kelly because he might be racist.

WHAT?!

Where has there been talk of this? I haven't noticed any of that here, and I haven't heard any of that on the sports radio I listen to.

[lionstigersand...]

Originally Posted by Buddha

In violation of what?

There won't be anything from the NCAA.

RRod gets one more year. If they don't win 8 or beat OSU next season, he's out.

Exceeding the NCAA mandated time limitations, lack of institutional control...Or however else they choose to phrase their (NCAA) hogwash.

[Truth]

Originally Posted by djhutch

All you need to know about Rich Rodriguez' future is in this quote by UM Prez Mary Sue Coleman.

Rodriguez will be the coach next season.

Corporate sponsorships and priority seating/annual gifts represented more than 25% of the athletic department's projected annual revenues in the 2008/09 budget. She can say anything she wants to the press but she's not going to risk alienating the private supporters that the department depends on, especially in this economy.

I saw an article in the Michigan Daily earlier this month where Coleman claimed to be an exception to results of a national study that showed college presidents don't feel that they can control athletic budgets. She might be right that she has more influence on expenditures than other presidents but she is just arrogant if she thinks she can just ignore the discontent growing in the private support ranks.

[Motor City Sonics]

Originally Posted by potthole

WHAT?!

Where has there been talk of this? I haven't noticed any of that here, and I haven't heard any of that on the sports radio I listen to.

Defended a player by saying white people can't understand the culture some of his kids come from.


I don't think it was racist at all, but people look for reasons to cut someone down and that one gets mentioned. It's ridiculous. It's like Rich Rod trying to get out of the condo deal - anyone else would do the same thing - try to get out of bad deal.

[Deleterious]

I think David Brandon gets the AD job.

No clue about the sanctions. Personally I would be stunned if anything major comes of it.

Normally RR would be fired. But with the current AD situation he will get another year, and only because of that. Also, he will do everything within his power to get Robinson or Gardner ready to start next year.

Put me down for Meyer going to ND.

[Dirk Diggler]

Originally Posted by hueytaxi

Having trouble finding the issue with Michigan. If someone would give a recap or direction to a link please...

Here is the issue....

NCAA formally launches investigation into UM football program | The Michigan Daily

[Dirk Diggler]

Originally Posted by Motor City Sonics

Is Michigan going to avoid NCAA purgatory by making a deal - admitting to lesser sanctions to avoid a whopper sanction, but in the process finding the out that will cost Rich Rod his job (at no expense)?
.

If I'm not mistaken, his contract is void only if major violations are found....so making a deal and ousting RR isn't going to happen. I think it's pretty clear cut, either the coaches knew of the extended workouts or they didn't, major violation or no violation.

I think/hope that they find a violation. My decision is biased though, I just don't like the guy, from the first lawsuit it seems like everything has been about RR. That together with the fact that I HATE the offense he runs makes me hope they bring in a guy who will play footbal and not this goofy stuff, sooner than later. I don't think it would take long to turn things around either, it's much easier to find football players (especially in the midwest) than it is to find the guys RR needs for his offense.

Prediction/Hope:

NCAA Violations Found - Rich Rod OUT / Les Miles IN

Weiss OUT / Gruden IN

[Dirk Diggler]

Originally Posted by Motor City Sonics

And about these missing practice logs. Do you think Rich Rodriguez fills these out himself? Do you think any head coaches do?

Doesn't matter. He's in charge of all aspects of the program, if there are ANY violations, recruiting, practice time, etc. it's all on him whether he was involved or not. That's why he makes the big bucks.

[Who is the Drizzle?]

Les Miles? Even after the debacle yesterday?

There's too much that has to happen to really fire RR this year. First you have to find a new AD, then he has to find a coach, and the time frame to do all that is a month or two.

I think Harbaugh goes to ND. Old school, traditional offense, the guy M might have picked as a successor if he had kept his mouth shut.

[pfife]

Yeah les miles was terrible yesterday.

I think DickRod stays for another year, and the new AD gets the chance to evaluate him after the year. I don't think they want the lame duck AD selecting a coach for the new AD.

[Dirk Diggler]

Originally Posted by Who is the Drizzle?

Les Miles? Even after the debacle yesterday?

Yep, even after the debacle. I can just see him lobbying hard for the job and a lot of Michigan folks wanted him the first time around. If Martin wasn't on a fishing trip when it came time for Miles to make a decision (LSU had the extension on the table and reports say he tried contacting Martin), I think he'd be our current coach.

Yes, RR will probably be around next year, but I can hope.

[SpartanValor]

Originally Posted by Motor City Sonics

Defended a player by saying white people can't understand the culture some of his kids come from.

He actually said that black kids grow up in a culture that tells them to lie to the police, if you want more specific details.

[Deleterious]

Some players on the team go in a fight and beat a kid to death. The players in question lied to the Police and I believe were later convicted of perjury. Anyway here is what he said:

Kelly: Race played role in silence | Central Michigan Life

“A number of them were African-Americans that had been in that culture of violence, and they’re taught to look away,” Kelly told the Free Press. “This is a culture that they are immersed in.”

[Johnny Mac]

The ncaa seems to pick and choose who to punish and lets some of the ncaa darling schools slide (see usc). I think Michigan is probably in that mold so I wouldnt be surprised if nothing happens in terms of violations.