Feagin Dismissed. Cissoko arrested.

[Deleterious]

Receiver Justin Feagin dismissed from Michigan football team | detnews.com | The Detroit News

Receiver Justin Feagin dismissed from Michigan football team
Angelique S. Chengelis / The Detroit News

Sophomore Justin Feagin, a versatile slot receiver/quarterback, is no longer with the Michigan football team.

"(He) has been dismissed for a violation of team rules," Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez said in a statement released Saturday.

Feagin played in four games last year -- against Purdue, Minnesota, Northwestern and Ohio State, and did take some snaps at quarterback. Feagin would have played slot receiver this fall.

Report: U-M's Boubacar Cissoko arrested for disorderly conduct | detnews.com | The Detroit News

Report: U-M's Boubacar Cissoko arrested for disorderly conduct

Michigan cornerback Boubacar Cissoko of Detroit Cass Tech was arrested last month on a misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct, according to a report.

Annarbor.com says Cissoko faces a pre-trial hearing on Aug. 24.

The incident occurred June 6 when Cissoko was a passenger in a car that was pulled over by Detroit police for speeding on Belle Isle, according to the report. The report added that U-M coach Rich Rodriguez was aware of the incident and that Cissoko has been disciplined by the team.

Cissoko played in 12 games during his freshman season in 2008, making 15 tackles, though he is expected to have a much bigger role in the Wolverines' secondary in 2009.

[sinister porpoise]

I read on another board that Feagin stole from a teammate.

[Dirk Diggler]

Based on these comments from the spring, it looks like this was an easy decision to free up a scholy. It doesn't sound as though they were very high on him going into this season...

TheWolverine.com - Receiver Feagin dismissed from team

Offensive coordinator Calvin Magee said this spring Feagin had work to do -- and plenty of competition -- to earn playing time.

"He's a strong, physical kid who might not have the same quickness and speed as other guys, but has a toughness that is welcome at the position," he said.

[Deleterious]

Cocaine deal led to Justin Feagin's fall at U-M | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press

Cocaine deal led to Justin Feagin's fall at U-M
The inside story on why Rich Rodriguez kicked QB off team in July

Justin Feagin was no stranger to drugs, or to run-ins with the law.

“I have admitted to people I know that I used to sell drugs in Florida,” Feagin told investigators, according to police reports the Free Press obtained under Michigan’s Freedom of Information Act.

Feagin told police that he also had been arrested for battery and trespass “on two different occasions” in Florida and that “nothing ever came of either situation,” according to U-M Department of Public Safety police records the Free Press obtained. He also told police that he “had a problem with some guys at Studio 4 (in Ann Arbor) over some girls. There was a fight and the police were called.”

Feagin said he had not sold drugs in Michigan. But fellow student T.J. Burke, who had met Feagin through Michigan walk-on receiver Ricky Reyes, told police “it was common knowledge that Feagin sold marijuana” and that Feagin “hung out at our house lots of times smoking pot.”

Feagin, a 20-year-old from Deerfield Beach, Fla., had arrived on campus in the summer of 2008, hoping to compete for Michigan’s starting quarterback job.

In Feagin’s first semester on campus, he and Burke hatched a plan for a cocaine deal.

“I was talking to him one day about how broke I was and somehow this idea came forward,” Burke told police. “I had heard about Feagin possibly making deals for people but never witnessed anything firsthand.”

Feagin told investigators that “when I first started going to (Burke’s) house he had three big jars of weed up in his room. … One day T.J. was talking to me about some illegal stuff. He was under a lot of pressure because of his financial problems.

“I told him that I knew someone who could get him some cocaine. A few days later he asked me if I had talked to the person yet. I called right then and set up a deal.”

Feagin arranged to send $600 to a friend in Florida, whom he identified only as “Tragic.” In exchange, “Tragic” would send an ounce of cocaine to Ann Arbor.

Reached on his cell phone Sunday, Feagin told the Free Press, “I have no comment.” Burke declined to comment in person last week and could not be reached Sunday.

But as Feagin and Burke described the deal to police, Burke provided Feagin with the money and would give him another $600 to send to Florida after the cocaine arrived.

But the coke never made it to Ann Arbor. And as time passed, Burke got angrier and angrier at Feagin, until he finally decided to do something about it.

Struggles on the field

Justin Feagin told police the original cocaine deal had happened “sometime before Thanksgiving 2008.” That was right around the end of a disappointing freshman season for Feagin.

He was one of the last players to join Rich Rodriguez’s first recruiting class. His statistics at American Heritage High were outstanding. He had rushed for 1,313 yards on 160 carries and scored 25 touchdowns, completed 91 of 151 passes for 1,420 yards, 19 touchdowns and only three interceptions. He finished third in Florida’s Mr. Football voting, and Florida is annually one of the most talent-rich states in the country.

Yet according to Rivals.com, Feagin had taken only two official visits by late January 2008: to Rutgers and Syracuse.

Rodriguez swooped in late and recruited Feagin. U-M’s presumptive 2008 starter, Ryan Mallett, had transferred to Arkansas, and the remaining quarterbacks were not considered ideal fits for Rodriguez’s spread-option offense.

Feagin visited the Ann Arbor campus on Feb. 1 and signed with the Wolverines on National Signing Day five days later. The coaching staff and U-M fans hoped Feagin would come in and compete for the starting quarterback job.

But when Feagin arrived for fall practice, he injured his shoulder and struggled to grasp the playbook. He did not play in a game until Nov. 1, then only on special teams. He was used in special running quarterback situations the last month of the season. For most of the year, Feagin moved back and forth between slot receiver and quarterback.

In a statement Sunday, Rodriguez said: “I dismissed Justin Feagin the moment that I was provided information contrary to our team policies.”

Practice for the new season starts Monday.

A time to take action

“I wasn’t going to become a drug dealer,” T.J. Burke told investigators. “I just needed to make some cash to get by. I was hoping to make a few hundred dollars.”

Burke, a 26-year-old from Macomb Township, was desperate. He told police he had “been in trouble a few times” — after getting caught with marijuana in high school and for driving under the influence when he was in the Navy. He told police he had helped a housemate start a mushroom-growing operation in their off-campus house, but he did not make any money off of it. One housemate had called the cops after Burke threatened to beat him up. His housemates had accused him of stealing a ring and a watch.

“I don’t have any close friends,” Burke told police.

Burke hoped his cocaine deal with Feagin would change his financial outlook. Instead, he was out 600 bucks. Burke told police that he made threats toward Feagin, that he “called him lots of times and sent him text messages.”

“Feagin and his cousin then made threats toward me,” Burke said.

Police said Feagin told them “Tragic” was “like a cousin.”

On the night of March 25, Burke told police, he got drunk, filled a plastic bottle with gas and “planned on starting a little fire near his door in order to scare him.”

The fire, set in the vicinity of Feagin’s dorm room in West Quad’s Adams House on March 26, was extinguished by sprinklers. It did not result in any injuries or extensive damage.

But the fire did trigger a campus crime alert and prompted a four-month search for the arsonist.

Burke’s housemates suspected him almost immediately. They were sure he was the man in surveillance photos distributed by police.

Ricky Reyes — who was Burke’s housemate, a walk-on receiver for U-M and the man who introduced Burke to Feagin — told police he “immediately recognized the photo as T.J. Burke.” But Reyes said he did not tell police, even after they came to his door with a flyer, “because we are friends and I did not want to get him in trouble.”

Reyes also said, “I know the problem between T.J. and Feagin was about money. I don’t want to talk about what the money was for.”

On July 21, another of Burke’s housemates, Austin Schaff, called police to say the man in the photo looked like Burke. In an interview that day, Schaff told police about the failed drug deal between Burke and Feagin.

Two days later, police went to Schembechler Hall at approximately 4:40 p.m. to interview Feagin. He was taken to U-M’s Department of Public Safety, where he described the cocaine deal.

That evening, Rodriguez kicked Feagin off the Michigan football team.

Last Wednesday, in Ann Arbor District Court, T.J. Burke pleaded guilty to a felony arson charge and agreed to pay U-M $14,213. He will be sentenced Sept.16 and faces up to 10 years in prison.

By the time Burke pleaded guilty, Justin Feagin was already back in Florida, a former Wolverine.

Sports writer Mark Snyder contributed to this report. Contact M.L. ELRICK: 313-222-6582 or mlelrick@freepress.com. Contact MICHAEL ROSENBERG: 313-222-6052 or mrosenberg@freepress.com.

[tys-spikes84]

Not good stuff. Knowing this, glad he is gone, obviously.

[Truth]

Two official visits? It's hard to believe RR didn't know the kid was troubled.

[Todd]

Originally Posted by Truth

Two official visits? It's hard to believe RR didn't know the kid was troubled.

yeah in probably the whole two hours he spent with him you can tell everything

[JonBenke]

Now it appears that even App State doesn't want him!

[pfife]

BLUE WALL

[monkeynuts]

Stay classy, Rich Rod. He took a well-run, respected, and successful program into a lousy, classless team. Sure, he dismissed the dude, but he had already been arrested TWICE in high school. Geez...I'm not trying to piss off Michigan fans, but I would want Rich Rod gone yesterday if I were a fan.

[InfanteIago]

Originally Posted by monkeynuts

Stay classy, Rich Rod. He took a well-run, respected, and successful program into a lousy, classless team. Sure, he dismissed the dude, but he had already been arrested TWICE in high school. Geez...I'm not trying to piss off Michigan fans, but I would want Rich Rod gone yesterday if I were a fan.

Glenn Winston anybody?

[whoknew]

Originally Posted by InfanteIago

Glenn Winston anybody?

In fairness, D'Antonio didn't start with a well-run, respected and successful program. He's just following a family tradition.

[monkeynuts]

Originally Posted by InfanteIago

Glenn Winston anybody?

Had he been recruited and signed with the coach knowing he had been arrested twice in high school?

Honest question - do you like RichRod? This isn't about MSU - I'll talk about Winston in a different thread if you'd like.

[whoknew]

Originally Posted by monkeynuts

Had he been recruited and signed with the coach knowing he had been arrested twice in high school?

Honest question - do you like RichRod? This isn't about MSU - I'll talk about Winston in a different thread if you'd like.

How do you know Rodriguez knew Feagin was arrested twice in high school. Because he said he didn't know.

[whoknew]

Originally Posted by monkeynuts

Had he been recruited and signed with the coach knowing he had been arrested twice in high school?

Nope. Just let back on a team after the coach knew he spent 3 months in jail for assault.

[InfanteIago]

Originally Posted by monkeynuts

Had he been recruited and signed with the coach knowing he had been arrested twice in high school?

Honest question - do you like RichRod? This isn't about MSU - I'll talk about Winston in a different thread if you'd like.

Nothing came of those arrests while he was in Florida. Rodriguez probably made a mistake bringing him in the first place but he rectified it by booting him to the curb. I have no problem with that, I would rather not see him recruited at all but if Rodriguez is going to be swift with the punishment I see no problem.

[tys-spikes84]

Originally Posted by monkeynuts

Had he been recruited and signed with the coach knowing he had been arrested twice in high school?

"Nothing ever came of either situation"

Found, not guilty?

Listen, I agree this guy clearly had some issues that are not excusable, but you think he's the only person on UofMs team that's ever run into problems with the law in high school? You think there are no players like that on State? I highly doubt it. Let's not go over the top here and say that RichRod brought a serial rapist on to the football team without so much as caring. Feagin was added in a whirlwind time shortly before signing day after RichRod came over from WVU. The fact is Feagin got a chance to get away from his town, what was comfortable to him, and try and excel while getting a free education and he screwed the pooch. He deserved to be dismissed, and it's embarrassing to have that happen to our program. But to say a player with high school problems with the law, in which nothing came of the situation, is a reason a fan base should want their coach kicked out of town is just ludicrous.

[SpartanValor]

Originally Posted by whoknew

Nope. Just let back on a team after the coach knew he spent 3 months in jail for assault.

Which happens to be 90 more days than Stallworth got for killing a man while drunk driving....just sayin.




I don't know where I stand on this. If this happened at M or ND, I'd be skewering the coach. As a biased fan, I look at this as a misdemeanor charge, and the above statement. Then again, I never had an issue with the reinstatements of Marlin Jackson, Carson Butler, and Adrian Arrington, so maybe I wouldn't be skewering the coach. I guess I'll feel bad for a little while...but serving 120 days or whatever for a misdemeanor, I just kinda feel like he did his time. It definitely does not seem like preferential treatment for an athlete (almost the opposite), so I guess I'm ok with how it played out. Plus, I'm not sure if this makes it right or whatever, but I have to believe that if Sturges didn't fall after Winston hits him, Winston doesn't even get charged with a crime. But I guess thats neither here nor there....

[monkeynuts]

Originally Posted by tys-spikes84

"Nothing ever came of either situation"

Found, not guilty?

Listen, I agree this guy clearly had some issues that are not excusable, but you think he's the only person on UofMs team that's ever run into problems with the law in high school? You think there are no players like that on State? I highly doubt it. Let's not go over the top here and say that RichRod brought a serial rapist on to the football team without so much as caring. Feagin was added in a whirlwind time shortly before signing day after RichRod came over from WVU. The fact is Feagin got a chance to get away from his town, what was comfortable to him, and try and excel while getting a free education and he screwed the pooch. He deserved to be dismissed, and it's embarrassing to have that happen to our program. But to say a player with high school problems with the law, in which nothing came of the situation, is a reason a fan base should want their coach kicked out of town is just ludicrous.

Fair enough. My point was, with the prestige of Michigan football, the poor showing on the field coupled with situations like Feagin and Grady would make me really think about the HC.

In regards to MSU, since we have a strong bball program, I've always thought that as long as the football program stayed "relatively" clean, I'd be content with 7-5 seasons. We've had enough embarrassment in our football history that I just want a clean, decent program. But...if they were in the tank with three or four wins each year and had multiple off the field issues, I'd want whomever it was coaching (can someone say Bobby Williams?) canned.

BTW, I may have misinterpreted when the author said "nothing ever came of either situation". I read it that he was arrested and faced mild penalties that didn't really matter. On the other hand, the author may have meant the charges were dropped?

[djhutch]

I think Rodriguez did exactly the right thing. Give the kid a chance. Surround him with good people & the tools to succeed, see how he responds. Act swiftly when called for. That's good leadership.

[Sparks4Ever]

Originally Posted by monkeynuts

Fair enough. My point was, with the prestige of Michigan football, the poor showing on the field coupled with situations like Feagin and Grady would make me really think about the HC.

We'll see over time if this becomes an unusual trend. I don't think the rate of incidents under Rodriguez is any worse than under Carr. As I've mentioned before, Carr had his share of embarrassing incidents and questionable characters. Guys like Manningham and Mallet were well known to smoke pot frequently in their spare time. Adrian Arrington had an embarrassing drinking and driving incident. I doubt Grady started binge drinking when Rodriguez came on board.

I don't think the incidents under Carr were anything unusual either. I'm not sure the rate of incidents would be so different if you randomly selected a group of 85 undergraduates.

[Todd]

Geez i cant believe how much you spartys care about Michigan's prestige...

[SpartanValor]

Originally Posted by Sparks4Ever

We'll see over time if this becomes an unusual trend. I don't think the rate of incidents under Rodriguez is any worse than under Carr. As I've mentioned before, Carr had his share of embarrassing incidents and questionable characters Guys like Manningham and Mallet were well known to smoke pot frequently in their spare time. Adrian Arrington had an embarrassing drinking and driving incident. I doubt Grady started binge drinking when Rodriguez came on board.

I don't think the incidents under Carr were anything unusual either. I'm not sure the rate of incidents would be so different if you randomly selected a group of 85 undergraduates.

I don't think anyone is blaming RR for anything that has happened at M, other than maybe Feagin. But people seem to be holding their breath for the continuation of RR's record at WVU, which included players like Chris Henry, Quincy Wilson, and Pacman Jones. Feagin was an ominous sign, if you care about those sorts of things, but it very well could have just been a hasty signing day situation. You can't call one player a trend. But I do think Carr and RR are not as similar as you make them sound....

[tys-spikes84]

Originally Posted by SpartanValor

I don't think anyone is blaming RR for anything that has happened at M, other than maybe Feagin. But people seem to be holding their breath for the continuation of RR's record at WVU, which included players like Chris Henry, Quincy Wilson, and Pacman Jones. Feagin was an ominous sign, if you care about those sorts of things, but it very well could have just been a hasty signing day situation. You can't call one player a trend. But I do think Carr and RR are not as similar as you make them sound....

How much trouble did those players get in at WVU?

[lesgoblu02]

Originally Posted by tys-spikes84

How much trouble did those players get in at WVU?

Pacman had one bar fight and Henry had 2 on field issues.

[tys-spikes84]

Originally Posted by lesgoblu02

Pacman had one bar fight and Henry had 2 on field issues.

Marlin Jackson had one bar fight, countless players have had on the field issues for UM in the past. Sounds like they were college football players. My point is they blew up when they were getting paid in the NFL.

[Shelton]

Here is a pretty good article from mgoblog about the whole Feagin situation. I would say it sums up my thoughts on the issue.

Feagin Dénouement | mgoblog

[Deleterious]

Bill Martin: Michigan will evaluate its recruiting practices after Justin Feagin incident - AnnArbor.com

Bill Martin: Michigan will evaluate its recruiting practices after Justin Feagin incident

University of Michigan athletic director Bill Martin said Tuesday that football coach Rich Rodriguez handled the Justin Feagin situation properly. Still, Martin said the university will use Feagin’s recent dismissal from the team to evaluate its recruiting standards.

“We take this situation very seriously,” Martin said. “It’s an extremely rare event - one that’s never happened in my career here. So the question has been raised: What’s your due diligence in the recruiting process?

“We have a very thorough process. Rich and the football staff followed it. That said, no process is perfect. Rich did absolutely the right thing when he heard in dismissing the student-athlete from the team.”

Feagin told police last month that he brokered a failed cocaine deal between a friend in Ann Arbor and another in Florida. He also said he previously dealt drugs in his home state, where he had two minor run-ins with the law.

Rodriguez said Monday he was unaware of Feagin’s troubles, and when he learned of them July 23, he immediately kicked the quarterback/receiver off the team.

According to Michigan’s official recruiting visit policy, last amended in 2004, “coaches are responsible for evaluating a recruit’s character, citizenship and academic ability.” If a coach discovers “arrests, citations or any other potentially embarrassing incidents” that might signal “a lack of character,” he is required to report the issues to the athletic director.

“A joint decision will be made on whether to continue the recruitment,” the policy states.

Martin, who didn’t learn of Feagin’s problems until after he was dismissed, said he plans to get a group together to discuss if any changes need to be made in the screening of recruits. He didn’t say who would be involved in the talks or when they would take place.

“My take on it?” Martin said. “It’s always an opportunity to learn, an opportunity to improve the recruiting process, the vetting for all sports.”

Rodriguez said he’s followed the same methods in investigating recruits since he was the head coach at Glenville State in the early 1990s. He doesn’t run background checks on players, but said he and his assistants thoroughly explore a recruit’s character by talking to teachers, high school coaches, teammates, family members and people in the community.

“We’re not like the FBI, we don’t have the resources to go” run background checks, Rodriguez said. “But a background check, is talking to the family, talking to the people at the school, talking to coaches, talking to teachers, talking to people that know him, is that a background check? That’s a background check. Isn’t that what that is?”

Dave Birkett covers the University of Michigan football team for AnnArbor.com. He can be reached at davidbirkett@annarbor.com

Sports director Jim Knight contributed to this report.

[Buddha]

Originally Posted by SpartanValor

I don't think anyone is blaming RR for anything that has happened at M, other than maybe Feagin. But people seem to be holding their breath for the continuation of RR's record at WVU, which included players like Chris Henry, Quincy Wilson, and Pacman Jones. Feagin was an ominous sign, if you care about those sorts of things, but it very well could have just been a hasty signing day situation. You can't call one player a trend. But I do think Carr and RR are not as similar as you make them sound....

Carr had many more disciplinary issues at Michigan than RRod did at West Virginia. The difference seems to be that Carr was able to recruit a large number of quality players, some of whom turned out to be bad apples. RRod at WVU, on the other hand, had to go for more star players no one else would touch if he wanted to get ANY star players there. Carr didn't need to do that.

But Carr had plenty of discipline problems, especially in his later years.

BTW: Have to love how Rosenberg - once again - tars and feathers RRod incorrectly (just like he did in the buyout situation) while not saying boo about State. So the kid at Michigan gets busted trying to make a coke deal and then gets immediately kicked off the team and that's a sign that RRod wants to win at all costs, but the MSU player gets convicted of assault and walks right back onto the team right out of jail and its gets nary a mention?

WTF?

[InfanteIago]

Originally Posted by Deleterious

Bill Martin: Michigan will evaluate its recruiting practices after Justin Feagin incident - AnnArbor.com

Can't wait until Sailor Bill sails away and Michigan can get themselves an AD that actually knows sports.

[InfanteIago]

Originally Posted by Buddha

Carr had many more disciplinary issues at Michigan than RRod did at West Virginia. The difference seems to be that Carr was able to recruit a large number of quality players, some of whom turned out to be bad apples. RRod at WVU, on the other hand, had to go for more star players no one else would touch if he wanted to get ANY star players there. Carr didn't need to do that.

But Carr had plenty of discipline problems, especially in his later years.

BTW: Have to love how Rosenberg - once again - tars and feathers RRod incorrectly (just like he did in the buyout situation) while not saying boo about State. So the kid at Michigan gets busted trying to make a coke deal and then gets immediately kicked off the team and that's a sign that RRod wants to win at all costs, but the MSU player gets convicted of assault and walks right back onto the team right out of jail and its gets nary a mention?

WTF?

Rosenberg is an awful columnist when it comes to Michigan football now.

[Shelton]

Rosenberg is a former Michigan Daily writer. However, like the rest of the MSM, it seems like he has turned off his ability to be a fan. That's fine I guess, but I also don't think it's sincere. You can't just stop being a fan. I don't care what you say. But he definitely doesn't like RR.

Interview with Michael Rosenberg: Part II

[lionstigersand...]

Originally Posted by Buddha

Carr had many more disciplinary issues at Michigan than RRod did at West Virginia. The difference seems to be that Carr was able to recruit a large number of quality players, some of whom turned out to be bad apples. RRod at WVU, on the other hand, had to go for more star players no one else would touch if he wanted to get ANY star players there. Carr didn't need to do that.

C'mon now, is that even true?

[donny1351]

Originally Posted by lionstigersand...

C'mon now, is that even true?

Unfortunately it may be...I just took this from someone else's message board post, it's not conclusive or 100% accurate, but gives you an idea that Carr had much more trouble than people really remember.

Just for giggles, if you catalog the Carr Era:

-Brian Griese was arrested for public intoxication and malicious destruction of property.

-Kelly Baraka was arrested (twice) for possession.

-Adrian Arrington was arrested for domestic abuse.

-Carson Butler was arrested for aggravated assault.

-Christian Richards was arrested twice - for aggravated assault and B&E. He later skipped bail and his arraignment, and got arrested again for that (at this point he was off the team)

-Mario Manningham was arrested for possession.

-Adam Stenavich was arrested for drunk and disorderly.

-Larry Harrison was arrested for public indecency.

-Eugene Germany was arrested for possession.

-Johnny Sears was arrested for possession.

-James Whitley was arrested for B&E and carrying a concealed, unlicensed firearm when he and David Terrell (uncharged) broke into his ex-girlfriend's apartment.

-Marlin Jackson was arrested for assault.

-William Peterson was arrested for assault and larceny.

-Ray Jackson was arrested for assault.

-Bennie Joppru was arrested for drunk and disorderly.

-Chuckie Winters was arrested for assault (I know there were extenuating circumstances here)

-Will Carr, Sam Sword, and Marcus Ray were arrested for using a credit card without the owner's permission.

-Scott Dreisback was arrested for presenting a fake ID.

-Jason Brooks was arrested for sexual misconduct (he forced a woman to play with his junk, under threat of beating)

-Demetrius Smith was arrested for forging a check.

-Cato June and Larry Stevens were arrested for getting into a fight in a coffee shop.

-Shante Orr was arrested for rape.

Just For Giggles...mgoblog

[lionstigersand...]

Originally Posted by donny1351

Unfortunately it is...I just took this from someone else's message board post, it's not conclusive or 100% accurate, but gives you an idea.

Just For Giggles...mgoblog

And the accompanying WVU "rap sheet" please?

Incidentally the Larry Harrison reign was an absolute gem? Does anybody remember the quote his lawyer threw out there at one point after he'd been accused of exposing himself to some folks following a practice?

[donny1351]

Originally Posted by lionstigersand...

And the accompanying WVU "rap sheet" please?

Incidentally the Larry Harrison reign was an absolute gem? Does anybody remember the quote his lawyer threw out there at one point after he'd been accused of exposing himself to some folks following a practice?

Not sure, I misread the original post as so definitive. I don't feel like looking up the WV data, because I really don't care and I don't feel like getting in the middle of the MSU v. Michigan war. I just thought I'd offer something that I came across on the topic.

My only point is that there were many many more incidents under Carr than people know about/remember.

I'll change my original post so it doesn't seem as definitive.

[Buddha]

Originally Posted by lionstigersand...

And the accompanying WVU "rap sheet" please?

Why don't you look it up since you're so damn sure that RRod is worse than Carr?

[lionstigersand...]

Originally Posted by Buddha

Why don't you look it up since you're so damn sure that RRod is worse than Carr?

Nah, I'm good. Your tacit acknowledgement that you have no idea whether or not your earlier statement is true or not, is enough for me.

[Truth]

Originally Posted by donny1351

Unfortunately it may be...I just took this from someone else's message board post, it's not conclusive or 100% accurate, but gives you an idea that Carr had much more trouble than people really remember.

Just For Giggles...mgoblog

I remember most of those incidents, including that arrests don't equal convictions. What I don't remember is Carr recruiting a kid with enough red flags that he had virtually no other offers and no big program offers.

[InfanteIago]

Originally Posted by Truth

I remember most of those incidents, including that arrests don't equal convictions. What I don't remember is Carr recruiting a kid with enough red flags that he had virtually no other offers and no big program offers.

Baraka.