Is Inge better at calling a came than Pudge.

[Motor City Sonics]

Kind of seems like it.


"calling a game"...... can a mod fix that for me.


Sounds kind of pervy.

[Perfectly Pudge]

No he isn't and I don't think he ever will be. And I know it wasn't one of Pudge's strong suits either. Brandon is fine defensively--just fine (he ain't great but he is fine) but he isn't the end all beat all that some make him out to be and time will surely tell that. Geez, I have heard the LOVE fest some sports talk have given him and it drives me crazy.

I know Pudge wasn't what he used to be, I accept that, but Inge isn't this great savior to is coming into the game to make the Tigers this great team now. Inge isn't poor by any means but he isn't better for sure either.

I'm so tired of all this Pudge hate sine he's been traded. I'm kinda glad he was now.


And hey, how's Inge been so far, lol. Glad to see a passed ball and a wp. He isn't so SUPER HUMAN after all. Not all wp's were Pudges fault after all and the game calling either.

[Motor City Sonics]

Did I say he was Super Human? Did I say he was a savior? No, I didn't. But I think he's as good at calling a game as Pudge was, maybe even better. He doesn't have Pudge's ego.

[Motor City Sonics]

No he isn't and I don't think he ever will be. And I know it wasn't one of Pudge's strong suits either. Brandon is fine defensively--just fine (he ain't great but he is fine) but he isn't the end all beat all that some make him out to be and time will surely tell that. Geez, I have heard the LOVE fest some sports talk have given him and it drives me crazy.

I know Pudge wasn't what he used to be, I accept that, but Inge isn't this great savior to is coming into the game to make the Tigers this great team now. Inge isn't poor by any means but he isn't better for sure either.

I'm so tired of all this Pudge hate sine he's been traded. I'm kinda glad he was now.


And hey, how's Inge been so far, lol. Glad to see a passed ball and a wp. He isn't so SUPER HUMAN after all. Not all wp's were Pudges fault after all and the game calling either.



Pudge hate? Where do you get that? How is saying that Inge is good, saying that I hate Pudge? I'm the one who started the Thank You, Pudge thread. I also started a thread the day after the 2003 NCLS saying, "go get this guy". Pudge turned this team around. He deserves our unwavering appreciation for coming here and playing (even if he only did it for the money). But he was far from perfect and his flaws were getting more and more glaring. It happens with age for an athlete. Hey, I saw his last home game at Comerica Park. He was the picture on the ticket. He had four hits. I'll be framing that ticket stub.

Thanks for overreacting.

[jonjd]

I don't know how to respond without anger so I'll keep it simple.

Since you didn't offer reasons as to why YOU think Inge is better at "calling a game," then I will refuse to as well.

Pudge is superior in all facets of the game.

[sinister porpoise]

Pudge only cares about the back of his trading card and his bank account. Fair enough.

Having said that, calling the game isn't measured by a mainstream stat and no he isn't very good at it.

[Motor City Sonics]

Having said that, calling the game isn't measured by a mainstream stat and no he isn't very good at it.



Who isn't very good at it, Pudge or Inge?

[Perfectly Pudge]

Pudge hate? Where do you get that? How is saying that Inge is good, saying that I hate Pudge? I'm the one who started the Thank You, Pudge thread. I also started a thread the day after the 2003 NCLS saying, "go get this guy". Pudge turned this team around. He deserves our unwavering appreciation for coming here and playing (even if he only did it for the money). But he was far from perfect and his flaws were getting more and more glaring. It happens with age for an athlete. Hey, I saw his last home game at Comerica Park. He was the picture on the ticket. He had four hits. I'll be framing that ticket stub.

Thanks for overreacting.


You are very welcome but I wasn't stating you now did I? I LOVED the thank you Pudge thread tons. I loved that you and some appreciated what he did for the city and this team. But I have seen and heard how awful, bad, etc, etc he was and how all of a sudden B Inge was this great one who could take over when he wasn't anything better at all. It's not like Pudge was playing 3rd. But whatever you want to think I am over reacting, fine so be it.

And jonjd don't respond OR respond with anger. I don't care ** shrugs** Rude on my part so be it.


sinister porpoise, please, if he cared about his trading card he would not have signed with Detroit when he did. You want say it was money then fine.

[Motor City Sonics]

You are very welcome but I wasn't stating you now did I? I LOVED the thank you Pudge thread tons. I loved that you and some appreciated what he did for the city and this team. But I have seen and heard how awful, bad, etc, etc he was and how all of a sudden B Inge was this great one who could take over when he wasn't anything better at all. It's not like Pudge was playing 3rd. But whatever you want to think I am over reacting, fine so be it.

And jonjd don't respond OR respond with anger. I don't care ** shrugs** Rude on my part so be it.


sinister porpoise, please, if he cared about his trading card he would not have signed with Detroit when he did. You want say it was money then fine.


You are the one that mentioned Pudge hater. Not me. I didn't say I hate him and I am not happy about the trade. I think that they could have gotten more for him. But, from what I understand, he and Leyland were no longer on speaking terms and there is a rumor that their confrontation got physical (don't know where that came from). He had to go. He asked to go. And now that he is gone, I will just say that I think the Tiger pitchers look far more efficient when Inge calls the game than when Pudge called the games. I never thought he was great at calling games in the first place. Every other aspect of the game he was and is the best catcher in the history of baseball. It was an honor to watch him playing in the Olde English D.

[Perfectly Pudge]

I never said you were/are a hater. I said there are a lot on here that are. And a lot on the talkd radio too. They could have gotten a prospect for him, yes. I can't say I blame either on that but I, in hind sight, would have handled it better. I guess I wish others would see what he did for the team and recognise that rather that hate on him is all.

[wolverinefan]

I never said you were/are a hater. I said there are a lot on here that are. And a lot on the talkd radio too. They could have gotten a prospect for him, yes. I can't say I blame either on that but I, in hind sight, would have handled it better. I guess I wish others would see what he did for the team and recognise that rather that hate on him is all.

Everyone has players they don't like. Deal with it.

[Doctor Detroit]

Wow this thread is an English and baseball nightmare meeting for a night out on the town without pants.*

*Not knocking the OP.

[DET Mr Malefic]

Pudge is superior in all facets of the game.

Please explain how he was better at hitting for power or at plate patience, two facets of the game that I believe he is clearly worse than Inge at.

[pyrotigers]

The ability to 'call a game' doesn't exist

[tiger337]

I don't listen to Detroit sports talk shows but I don't see an Inge love fest in places I go to discuss the Tigers. Most people make fun of him. I see a lot more love for Rodriguez than Inge. I've seen a lot of people give Rodriguez credit for turning the franchise around. That's my observation.

[tigerkid23]

You are the one that mentioned Pudge hater. Not me. I didn't say I hate him and I am not happy about the trade. I think that they could have gotten more for him. But, from what I understand, he and Leyland were no longer on speaking terms and there is a rumor that their confrontation got physical (don't know where that came from). He had to go. He asked to go. And now that he is gone, I will just say that I think the Tiger pitchers look far more efficient when Inge calls the game than when Pudge called the games. I never thought he was great at calling games in the first place. Every other aspect of the game he was and is the best catcher in the history of baseball. It was an honor to watch him playing in the Olde English D.

Whoa, where did you hear that Leyland and Pudge scrapped? Who won?

[Ghostface]

No he isn't and I don't think he ever will be. And I know it wasn't one of Pudge's strong suits either. Brandon is fine defensively--just fine (he ain't great but he is fine) but he isn't the end all beat all that some make him out to be and time will surely tell that. Geez, I have heard the LOVE fest some sports talk have given him and it drives me crazy.

I know Pudge wasn't what he used to be, I accept that, but Inge isn't this great savior to is coming into the game to make the Tigers this great team now. Inge isn't poor by any means but he isn't better for sure either.

I'm so tired of all this Pudge hate sine he's been traded. I'm kinda glad he was now.


And hey, how's Inge been so far, lol. Glad to see a passed ball and a wp. He isn't so SUPER HUMAN after all. Not all wp's were Pudges fault after all and the game calling either.

ok, so... should the dude with pudge in his user name and avatar really be listened to when they come to his defense? duh.

[tiger337]

But, from what I understand, he and Leyland were no longer on speaking terms and there is a rumor that their confrontation got physical (don't know where that came from).

I wouldn't be surprised but "don't know where they came from" has got to be the worst source ever!

[DaYooperASBDT]

The ability to 'call a game' doesn't existI tend to disagree. If you ever get a chance, read the essay by former catcher Moe Berg, titled "Pitchers and Catchers". It's a great description of the thought processes involved.

[Shinzaki]

Moe Berg operated on a different mental level than 99% of the known population of his day. The dude was a SPY!!!!

The modern day Moe Berg was equally distinguished as the front man for the vastly underrated Canadian band The Pursuit of Happiness

[tater6]

I see a lot more love for Rodriguez than Inge. I've seen a lot of people give Rodriguez credit for turning the franchise around. That's my observation.
I think most understand the love of Pudge because of his past, but I sure wouldn't give him credit for turning the franchise around. The only reason he signed with the Tigers was purely for the money. The person that deserves that credit it still DD.

I know that's just an observation and not necessarily an opinion.

[pyrotigers]

I tend to disagree. If you ever get a chance, read the essay by former catcher Moe Berg, titled "Pitchers and Catchers". It's a great description of the thought processes involved.

Well, I wouldn't disagree that in extreme cases someone could perhaps make a difference, but throughout MLB history their have been very very few cases where a catcher influenced the team ERA. You occasionally see CERA thrown out as a key defensive stat for catchers, but it tends to fluctuate wildly based entirely on the skill of the pitchers.

I suppose that yes 'calling a game' could make a difference if we're talking about the difference between a rookie pitcher throwing to a fellow rookie catcher or a 20 year veteran or something, but in general it doesn't really do anything.

1. The pitcher has the final decision on what to throw anyways
2. I don't think their is really much difference between catchers here anyways, most pitchers these days have two or three pitches, it's not very complicated to just do what the pre-game scouting report told you gets the opposing hitter out.

[sinister porpoise]

Who isn't very good at it, Pudge or Inge?

Pudge.

[sportz4life]

Inge is a work in progress defensively. He doesn't love the position, has acknowledged he doesn't read scouting reports, and as everyone can see, still working on his receiving skills. He does throw reasonably well if not inconsistently.

I will be amazed if he ever develops into a passionate, high quality catcher.

he truly seems like the type of catcher pitchers will not really like or more importantly, trust. Balls going back to the screen tend to discourage a pitching staff, especially if the were not in the dirt.

Call a good game..Not yet..catch a good game, Not yet..

This experiment will take alot and I mean alot to be succesful.

[DaYooperASBDT]

Well, I wouldn't disagree that in extreme cases someone could perhaps make a difference, but throughout MLB history their have been very very few cases where a catcher influenced the team ERA. You occasionally see CERA thrown out as a key defensive stat for catchers, but it tends to fluctuate wildly based entirely on the skill of the pitchers.

I suppose that yes 'calling a game' could make a difference if we're talking about the difference between a rookie pitcher throwing to a fellow rookie catcher or a 20 year veteran or something, but in general it doesn't really do anything.

1. The pitcher has the final decision on what to throw anyways
2. I don't think their is really much difference between catchers here anyways, most pitchers these days have two or three pitches, it's not very complicated to just do what the pre-game scouting report told you gets the opposing hitter out.You made a very good point about the scouting, I would think it's far more sophisticated than in the Moe Berg days. However, the catcher gets the closest view of each pitch, and how the batters handle them, so his input is still important.

The battery should both know the "game plan", but a good catcher will try to stay on the same page with the pitcher. He should help plan the attack, and suggest adjustments to keep the batter guessing. Now if we are talking Greg Maddux + Nick Hundley, I would suggest Mr. Hundley just watch and learn !! :happy:

[tiger337]

I think most understand the love of Pudge because of his past, but I sure wouldn't give him credit for turning the franchise around. The only reason he signed with the Tigers was purely for the money. The person that deserves that credit it still DD.



I agree.

[DaYooperASBDT]

I would like to add that if not for his bad back, there is no way
Pudge ever signs with Detroit. But I'm glad he did!