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mckibbka
02-19-2007, 08:09 PM
http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070219&content_id=1807996&vkey=spt2007news&fext=.jsp&c_id=det

No end in sight for energized Pudge
Tigers vet credits training regimen for longevity behind plate
By Jason Beck / MLB.com

LAKELAND, Fla. -- Ivan Rodriguez playing to 40? Not a problem, he says. Biking to 40? Apparently no big deal, either.

For such an intense competitor, the Tigers catcher and future Hall of Famer is looking relaxed in camp. The only challenge for him so far is staying on schedule.

After catching Tigers pitchers on Monday morning, Rodriguez was off to the track early in the afternoon for sprint work. After that, he had an hour and a half of weight work awaiting him at a gym. That's his routine for three days a week. On three other days, he's on a bicycle for about two hours, covering about 40-45 miles.

Rodriguez doesn't know how many more years he'll be in a Tigers uniform. But he has no problem seeing himself playing more than a few years before he even considers retirement. He has too much work invested to think otherwise.

"Not a problem," he said. "Every year that I play baseball, to be honest with you, I'm feeling better and better and better. My workout program is outstanding. I follow that day in and day out. When you love to work out and you concentrate and do the things that you have to do in the offseason to prepare for a 7 1/2-month season, that's why you always end up having good years and healthy seasons.

"During the season, all of you guys see that I'm in the weight room and running. Sometimes I'm out in the field during the season, running sprints. It's part of my routine. I have to do it. If I want to play this game longer, if I want to play this game for the years I want to play, I have to work harder. Because, we've got to be honest, I'm not 25 anymore. I'm 35 years old, but 35 doesn't mean anything if you work hard and you prepare yourself physically and mentally."

He's a different player now than he was at 25. In the few years since he incorporated running and sprint work into his workouts, Rodriguez has transformed from the body form that spawned his nickname into an efficient, mobile athlete. Though his power numbers have fallen over the last couple years -- and his hitting sometimes slumps, such as the during World Series -- his athleticism shows no drop-off. Even at 35, Rodriguez is considered by Tigers manager Jim Leyland to be one of the best runners on the team, and he's an option to bat leadoff against left-handed pitchers.

Defensively, there has been no drop. Rodriguez's 12th career Gold Glove Award, most among catchers in Major League history, capped a 2006 season in which he threw out nearly half of all would-be baserunners. With just two errors in 123 games behind the plate, he posted a .998 fielding percentage, the highest of any full season in his 16-year career. Rodriguez's slimmed-down frame has made him a massive presence behind home plate once again.

"You'll never see anyone more proud of the way he keeps himself in shape than him," Leyland said. "He works. But for the most part, they all do. Sure, some work a little harder than others, but some have to. I mean, there's a reason you've caught that long and you look that good."

For Rodriguez, it's a matter-of-fact answer. While Tigers pitchers have grown up in three years, Rodriguez has largely avoided the breakdown of growing old.

"The only way I can play at the level I'm playing at right now," he said, "is to keep doing what I'm doing."

Rodriguez means his workouts, not necessarily his numbers. His contract numbers are a different issue.

When he signed his four-year contract as a free agent just before Spring Training in 2004, Rodriguez was the first star player to make the jump to the Tigers. But beneath the motivation was the question of whether he could catch for the duration of the contract. At this point, he seems not only set to fulfill that, but to spend 2008 behind the plate should the Tigers pick up his $13 million option, as expected.

It's not impossible that he could get another contract beyond that. The Tigers have no obvious replacement in their farm system, and Rodriguez has no particular place he wants to go after this.

"I have one more year left in my contract," he said, "and I would love to stay here until I retire. I still have a lot of baseball in me. The way I take care of myself, the way I feel right now, I feel very good. No pain, no nothing. I just want to focus on playing the game of baseball."

Rodriguez has five years left to fill out before he turns 40.

"Not a problem," he repeated. "I love this game. I want to play this game as long as I can. I don't know until what year I'm going to play, but as long as I'm healthy and keep doing what I'm doing, I'm going to be in this game."


Jason Beck is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.
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My favorite quote was under the caption.

"I would love to stay [in Detroit] until I retire," Ivan Rodriguez said on Monday. (Duane Burleson/AP)

LJK004
02-20-2007, 12:09 AM
If he can keep his defensive skills up back there I'd love to see him here at 40. However, catchers deteriorate quickly. I don't care how good his workout regimen is, I can't see him still being effective as an everyday catcher at 40. Hopefully I'm wrong and we have a second coming of Fisk or Boone but, I doubt it.

FloridaTigers
02-20-2007, 12:15 AM
I don't doubt it. I think he can be good defensively at 40.

The question is, will he need a large tennis racket when he steps into the batters box? I only see his hitting getting worse as the years go on

estrepe1
02-20-2007, 12:22 AM
I don't doubt it. I think he can be good defensively at 40.

The question is, will he need a large tennis racket when he steps into the batters box? I only see his hitting getting worse as the years go on

I agree that his bat will only get worse. His offensive game has never been based on patience but on his bat speed and ability to make contact.

His main value at this point is already his defense. As long as that stays elite he will be worth what they are paying him.

It would be a huge risk to sign him for 5 years. Especially since by the end of the contract (and really this season) he should be batting in the lower third of an order. If the price and years are right I think they should consider re-signing him. I don't see him taking a 2 year extension though, which is the ideal length to me.... Although 2 years tacked on to the current contract is 3 years....

It would be easier to say that they shouldn't sign him if they had anything in the way of a replacement.

LJK004
02-20-2007, 12:32 AM
I agree that his bat will only get worse. His offensive game has never been based on patience but on his bat speed and ability to make contact.

His main value at this point is already his defense. As long as that stays elite he will be worth what they are paying him.

It would be a huge risk to sign him for 5 years. Especially since by the end of the contract (and really this season) he should be batting in the lower third of an order. If the price and years are right I think they should consider re-signing him. I don't see him taking a 2 year extension though, which is the ideal length to me.... Although 2 years tacked on to the current contract is 3 years....

It would be easier to say that they shouldn't sign him if they had anything in the way of a replacement.

I agree completely. I think having him signed past the age of 38 is a bad idea. I suspect he's got a few more years left but, I don't want to be the team overpaying for a player way past his prime.

dt35456884
02-20-2007, 12:37 AM
Our catching situation could be better, but it could be a lot worse. We've got Pudge under contract for two more years. If for some reason he's still going strong after that, we can offer him a take-it-or-leave-it two year deal. If he wants something more long term, address the catching situation via trade or free agency.

That isn't so terrible. I don't think in the long term that our success is shackled to Pudge.

estrepe1
02-20-2007, 12:45 AM
Our catching situation could be better, but it could be a lot worse. We've got Pudge under contract for two more years. If for some reason he's still going strong after that, we can offer him a take-it-or-leave-it two year deal. If he wants something more long term, address the catching situation via trade or free agency.

That isn't so terrible. I don't think in the long term that our success is shackled to Pudge.

Oh I agree. I think that is a possible situation. Its hard to expect a catcher to last as long as Ivan is thinking....

LJK004
02-20-2007, 01:42 AM
I know it's a bit away but, I wonder what catchers are scheduled for free-agency in two years. Maybe Mauer? That would be nice and I'm sure the Twinkies won't get into a bidding war with anyone. I also wonder if the front-office is looking at drafting any catchers anytime soon. It doesn't seem like to many catchers are can't miss, high draft choices though.

Just Some Dude
02-20-2007, 02:10 AM
I know it's a bit away but, I wonder what catchers are scheduled for free-agency in two years. Maybe Mauer? That would be nice and I'm sure the Twinkies won't get into a bidding war with anyone. I also wonder if the front-office is looking at drafting any catchers anytime soon. It doesn't seem like to many catchers are can't miss, high draft choices though.

Feb 11 2007 - Mauer avoided salary arbitration and agreed to a $33 million, four-year contract with the Twins on Sunday. He gets $3.75 million this year, $6.25 million in 2008, $10.5 million in 2009 and $12.5 million in 2010. Mauer has additional award bonuses and the right to designate three teams each year that he can't be traded to without his consent.

Biff Mayhem
02-20-2007, 07:31 AM
There will be a time when he will be relegated to first base but I don't think his offensive numbers will justify it.

84 Lives!!!
02-20-2007, 08:38 AM
Yeah... once Pudge is no longer an effective catcher, I don't think he'll be an effective baseball player...

Unless he wants to play 2nd base? (That won't be with Detroit...)

DaYooperASBDT
02-20-2007, 09:15 AM
I think he'll stay at catcher, just like Bentiago Santiago, Carlton Fisk, Pat Borders, and Bobby Boone did. It's tough at 40, but not impossible with health.

Don't have any numbers to back this up, but I have observed that once a catcher's back and knees make it past 35, that player tends to still be a decent catcher at 40 and beyond. His hitting will be the question mark. Conditioning is definitely a huge plus for Pudge.

estrepe1
02-20-2007, 10:10 AM
There will be a time when he will be relegated to first base but I don't think his offensive numbers will justify it.

I don't think anyone will stick him at 1B full time because of that production problem. Its going to be catcher or bust for Rodriguez.

caseyo4
02-20-2007, 12:27 PM
As long as he's healthy and offensively in the top half of catchers in the league, I don't see a reason to shuffle him out of town.

He continues to be a great story for the franchise turnaround...

tiger337
02-21-2007, 11:24 AM
As long as he's healthy and offensively in the top half of catchers in the league, I don't see a reason to shuffle him out of town.

He continues to be a great story for the franchise turnaround...

I don't know if he's a great story. He has done pretty much what could be expected of him. He's been a great defensive catcher (except for his first year when he was just ok defensively). His offense has predictably declined during the course of the contract. He has been worth the money they paid him but not really a great story.

DaYooperASBDT
02-21-2007, 11:51 AM
Relative to some of our other horrid contracts, Pudge is a pretty good story. But I guess I would not call it a great story. It was a smart signing, as we needed to upgrade.

thewave84
02-21-2007, 12:11 PM
From a Texas perspective, I think Pudge is a good story (I won't call it great b/c I don't want Lee to disagree with me - I think he's still ticked about Magg's hair- but I digress). Pudge had spent his whole career with the Rangers, a perenial all-star and extremely well loved by Ranger fans. Then the Rangers gave huge money to A-Rod and Chan-Ho Park and decided that they couldn't resign Pudge, the 30+ catcher. Oops. So Pudge leaves, promptly wins a World Series, and then goes to the worst team in Baseball, and helps them reach the World Series in his 3rd year there. Meanwhile the Rangers continue to flounder, Park was a horrible flop and A-Rod, while putting up great numbers, is gone without ever helping the Rangers get into the postseason. Pudge may not seem like a great signing to you guys, but from a Ranger-fan perspective, he was a horrible non-signing.

tiger337
02-21-2007, 12:39 PM
I won't call it great b/c I don't want Lee to disagree with me

That's no fun!

Statik
02-21-2007, 07:37 PM
I think a 40 year old Pudge is probably still top 10 behind the plate.

I also would suggest that his offensive skills haven't diminished at all...but rather that people are comparing the Pudge of today with the 'augmented Texas Pudge' circa '97 until he left for Florida after the '02 season...take out those tainted years and I think he is doing as well as ever.

I'll call old Pudge 'Bizarro-Pudge' as they are two completely different entities.

Tyrus
02-21-2007, 07:57 PM
From a Texas perspective, I think Pudge is a good story (I won't call it great b/c I don't want Lee to disagree with me - I think he's still ticked about Magg's hair- but I digress). Pudge had spent his whole career with the Rangers, a perenial all-star and extremely well loved by Ranger fans. Then the Rangers gave huge money to A-Rod and Chan-Ho Park and decided that they couldn't resign Pudge, the 30+ catcher. Oops. So Pudge leaves, promptly wins a World Series, and then goes to the worst team in Baseball, and helps them reach the World Series in his 3rd year there. Meanwhile the Rangers continue to flounder, Park was a horrible flop and A-Rod, while putting up great numbers, is gone without ever helping the Rangers get into the postseason. Pudge may not seem like a great signing to you guys, but from a Ranger-fan perspective, he was a horrible non-signing.


That sounds like a pretty good story to me!