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estrepe1
02-18-2007, 12:14 PM
Rogers chats about 'Smudgegate' and more

Larry Lage / Associated Press

LAKELAND, Fla. -- Kenny Rogers' sensational postseason was smudged as soon as TV cameras caught that brownish substance on his pitching hand.

But almost four months later, the Detroit Tigers' pitcher laughs at anyone who thinks he threw 23 straight scoreless innings last October because he was cheating.

"I can take a tool belt full of whatever and give it to some of the best pitchers in the game, and they're not going to do the things I did in the postseason," Rogers said Saturday in an interview with The Associated Press. "I did nothing different than any other pitcher.

"I don't feel bad about anything. I'm proud of my achievements and I don't have any regrets."

The left-hander helped the Tigers reach the World Series for the first time since 1984, but that's where he wound up in the middle of another ruckus -- Smudgegate.

Cameras showed a brown substance on his left hand in the first inning of Game 2 of the World Series, and St. Louis manager Tony La Russa brought it to the umpires' attention. Rogers' hand was clean when he came out for the second inning, and he went on to pitch shutout ball in Detroit's only victory of the Series.

Rogers insisted then that mud, resin, spit and dirt was what everyone saw at the base of his left thumb -- not pine tar or anything else illegal.

La Russa didn't buy the explanation.

"Didn't look like dirt," he said.

On Friday, baseball's playing rules committee approved changes that would eject and suspend players for intentionally defacing or discoloring a ball. Umpires have the discretion to issue only a warning if they determine a pitcher didn't intend to alter the characteristics of a pitch. Previously, such a pitch was called a ball, a warning was issued and the violation was announced.

"I don't think that will change anything one bit," Rogers said. "We all want grip on the ball, and we're all going to do what it takes to do that in every climate. I think hitters want pitchers to have a grip on that baseball, too, because guys throw pretty hard and when you do lose one, it's usually up and in."

The 42-year-old Rogers said pitchers have been forced to make changes because they're throwing baseballs that are not made the way they used to be.

"They're totally different than they were 10 years ago, or even five years ago," he insisted. "Baseball can say all it wants, but today's baseballs are as hard as rocks. Players are going to make an adjustment to that so that they can compete."

A fierce competitiveness, cerebral approach and tireless work ethic have helped Rogers remain effective for a long time.

He has gone from a hard-throwing pitcher to a crafty one during a career that began in 1989 with the Texas Rangers and included stops with Oakland, Minnesota and both teams in New York.

The four-time All-Star and five-time Gold Glove winner has a 207-139 record, including a 49-25 mark the past three years.

Some snickered when Detroit gave him a $16 million, two-year contract before last season, but he and the team were validated. He put together a third straight season with an All-Star appearance and a Gold Glove award.

After going 17-8 with a 3.84 ERA during the regular season, Rogers held the Yankees, Athletics and Cardinals without a run in October. He became the first pitcher to have three scoreless starts in one postseason since Christy Mathewson in 1905.

After his first World Series start against St. Louis, Rogers was saved for a potential Game 6 -- but the Cardinals clinched in five games.

All year long off the field, Rogers was popular in the clubhouse, liked by fans and got along well with reporters.

But just when people stopped talking about him pushing two cameramen in 2005 -- a videotaped tirade that led to a suspension while he was with Texas -- Rogers was at the center of another media circus.

"It was just something to talk about," he said. "Did it have any validity? Not a whole lot. I accomplished what I did with hard work, consistency and intensity."

Rogers said he enjoyed his season in Detroit more than any other year of his career, on the field with teammates and coaches, and off the field, with fans and media.

He hopes to pitch for the Tigers for another year or two after his current contract expires.

"There's no place I'd rather play than here. I've let them know that, but it's out of my court," Rogers said while standing in front of his locker before his second workout of spring training. "I don't want to envision being anywhere else and I hope I don't have to be a free agent again."

When Rogers joined the Tigers, manager Jim Leyland downplayed his role as a tutor for younger pitchers because he wanted the focus to be on his performance.

"But I also said, 'If you're a younger pitcher and you're not watching this guy and you're not picking things up and talking to him, you're foolish,'" Leyland recalled.

Justin Verlander credits Rogers for helping him earn AL Rookie of the Year honors last season.

"It really accelerated the learning process for me being able to pick his brain," he said.

Rogers said Verlander, Joel Zumaya and the other young pitchers on the staff helped him, too.

"They challenge me to stay up with them," he said. "It pushes you because you want to hold them at bay as long as you can."

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070218/SPORTS0104/702180337/1129

DaYooperASBDT
02-18-2007, 02:46 PM
If a pitcher wants to mix a little dirt in there when going to the resin bag, I say whoop-de-******* doo.
Kenny was 100% dead on with his comments.

estrepe1
02-18-2007, 02:55 PM
I found it interesting that he wants to pitch for another year or two. If you are the Tigers do you re-sign him if he has a good season or do you let him go via free agency?

If healthy there is a good chance that Andrew Miller will be ready to be on the staff next season. So there might need to be a spot for him.

Do you re-sign Kenny for 2 years and trade away Maroth?

Its an interesting decision process. You have to make the decision whether he is ready to go for 2 more full seasons.

Shaggy Ry
02-18-2007, 03:11 PM
Isn't Maroth a free-agent after this season as well? We'll definitely have some decisions to make, however if their on-the-field output is equal, I think you keep the wily veteran because of this mentor abilities.

Also Robertson is probably prime trade bait after this season as he'll be due for a huge raise and should be able to bring a good return(see Jennings to Houston). We need him this season because we don't know what to expect from Verlander and what Rogers and Maroth will offer, however after another full season we should have Bonderman, Verlander(full strength) and Miller locked into our rotation for the forseeable future.

A lot will depend on how our other pitchers develop and fare this season - JJ, Tata, Miner, Sleeth, DLC and the rest. TINSTAAPP of course applies and a lot can happen over the season.

Lbh24
02-18-2007, 03:14 PM
It's nice to see an athlete who doesn't backpeddle himself into a hole.

eastside billee
02-18-2007, 03:14 PM
Let's all wait and see what happens this season. If Kenny wasn't cheating, then we should expect a season similar to last year. If things fall apart do we blame it on the "controversy" or is it something different?

It makes things messy as far as I'm concerned. It's just might strange that it all came up during the postseason instead of during the season. That leads me to think people were making excuses to get into his head.

estrepe1
02-18-2007, 03:17 PM
I don't think Maroth is due to hit free agency until after next season.

It is true that a lot of this discussion will involve how the prospects are doing. I think unless Jair has a huge year at AA or AAA he will likely be back there for one more season. He is still really young at 21 and you wouldn't want to rush him up too fast.

Robertson could get them quite a bit. I would rather keep him around than Maroth because I trust his stuff more and he has a bit better record of success. However as others have stated in the past he is also more likely to get them a good return than Maroth.

Just Some Dude
02-18-2007, 03:19 PM
If Kenny has a year as good as or better than last year we are stupid not to resign him for at least 1 more season.

jackson_cannery
02-18-2007, 03:26 PM
Kenny Rogers never succeeded because of youth or physical ability. He is the anti-Ben Wallace. If he's pitching well it's because he still knows how to pitch. As long as he's effective, I don't care how old he is.

Gabraham
02-18-2007, 03:55 PM
Let's all wait and see what happens this season. If Kenny wasn't cheating, then we should expect a season similar to last year. If things fall apart do we blame it on the "controversy" or is it something different?

It makes things messy as far as I'm concerned. It's just might strange that it all came up during the postseason instead of during the season. That leads me to think people were making excuses to get into his head.

Well he was caught doing something that every pitcher on every team in every city has done for eons...

It was a non-story from day one, symbolic of the universal lack of respect for the D of Olde English. In the eyes o' the world, the Tigers got where they did because A) A-Rod didn't perform, B) Ken Macca is balding, and C) Rogers is a cheater.

All the more reason to kick *** in '07 and shut up the haters.

Biff Mayhem
02-18-2007, 04:35 PM
I found it interesting that he wants to pitch for another year or two. If you are the Tigers do you re-sign him if he has a good season or do you let him go via free agency?


Keep him around. I get the impression that he would make a great pitching coach either in the minors or if Charlie Hernandez gets scooped away.

Tyrus
02-18-2007, 04:38 PM
Because Rogers doesn't rely on throwing the ball 95 mph, his age won't be as big a factor. If he has another good year in '07, I wouldn't have any qualms about giving him another two-year deal.

zachcadillac
02-18-2007, 05:18 PM
It was a non-story from day one, symbolic of the universal lack of respect for the D of Olde English. In the eyes o' the world, the Tigers got where they did because A) A-Rod didn't perform, B) Ken Macca is balding, and C) Rogers is a cheater.

I disagree completely. The Tigers were treated very favorably in the media last season. The smudge was a story because...it was a story. It was interesting and worth looking into. It was subsequently pounded into the ground, as many good stories are, but that doesn't mean it wasn't relevant.

estrepe1
02-18-2007, 05:24 PM
I disagree completely. The Tigers were treated very favorably in the media last season. The smudge was a story because...it was a story. It was interesting and worth looking into. It was subsequently pounded into the ground, as many good stories are, but that doesn't mean it wasn't relevant.

The only coverage I didn't like on that was the in game coverage. But Joe Buck and Tim McCarver suck all the time... why should that situation be any different?

Gabraham
02-18-2007, 05:58 PM
I disagree completely. The Tigers were treated very favorably in the media last season. The smudge was a story because...it was a story. It was interesting and worth looking into. It was subsequently pounded into the ground, as many good stories are, but that doesn't mean it wasn't relevant.

It wasn't interesting and it wasn't relevant.

zachcadillac
02-18-2007, 06:05 PM
It wasn't interesting and it wasn't relevant.

That is blind homerism, sir. Any time there is compelling evidence a player might be cheating, the media should pay attention. If a similar situation had unfolded in the ALDS with Mike Mussina or another Yankee pitcher, and the press filed the same number of stories and wasted the same amount of in-game conversation, the meme among Detroit fans would undoubtedly have been "New York is getting a free pass."

zachcadillac
02-18-2007, 06:06 PM
The only coverage I didn't like on that was the in game coverage. But Joe Buck and Tim McCarver suck all the time... why should that situation be any different?

Agreed. They speak foolishly all the time. Expecting them to let up in the Tigers is futile.

PuNk42AE
02-18-2007, 06:15 PM
What would have made it make sense more to me is if they shows some of the game balls. Instead of saying during the broadcast "oh he's got something and that isn't dirt". If he's rubbing pinetar on the balls it would remain on the balls after hit, caught, anything.

Gabraham
02-18-2007, 06:26 PM
That is blind homerism, sir. Any time there is compelling evidence a player might be cheating, the media should pay attention. If a similar situation had unfolded in the ALDS with Mike Mussina or another Yankee pitcher, and the press filed the same number of stories and wasted the same amount of in-game conversation, the meme among Detroit fans would undoubtedly have been "New York is getting a free pass."

Maybe. But I'm bugged by a few things: A) It had virtually no impact on the game, as he washed it off quickly. B) It's a form of "cheating" that every pitcher engages in, and C) It's the World Series. If you're going to take focus off the game and chat about a conspiracy ad nauseum, at least make sure it's either compelling or major. Getting a better grip isn't the same as a corked bat or a mid-game shot of 'roids.

Whether it was interesting or not is completely subjective, so if I'm alone in thinking it wasn't, then so be it. I hope we talk about it all year.