trade zumaya while he's good?

[kitna2furrey]

Detroit has this history of having very short term power arms that eventually leave because of injury or some hitch of some kind.

Think about if we had traded Matt Andersen when he was good.

I know if we had traded him at the time he was good, fans would of been in a uproar, but a year later it would of looked like pure genius!

Zumaya had some late in the year arm problems and maybe this is indication of more to come? Maybe it's time to risk trading him for a couple of good hitting prospects? Two or three studs in the minors may look like a steal if Zumaya does indeed tank like other power arms we've had.

Yeah I know this thread sounds silly, but it's the off season, why not ponder it.

I'm not saying trade Zumaya for a guy who is a mid or end of carreer stud like Thome, Dunn, Thomas. What I'm aiming at is trading zoom for two or three younger studs or prospects. It seems like a fair trade idea both ways, and a possible steal for us if Zoom does end up breaking his arm.

[JonBenke]

Hey, where is that ZUMAYA FOR DUNN thread . lol . that was one of my all time favorites!

[RedTeamGo!]

I don't think its silly, every time Zoom pitches there is a chance he could end his career. With that said I kind of see Zumaya as 1 in 6 billion, so he should not be traded. Look at it this way, the Tigers trade Matt Anderson before his injury and instead of him throwing his arm out he is the next Billy Wagner.

Also, you have to remember Anderson did not throw his arm out pitching, he threw it out throwing a squid onto the ice at a Red Wings game.

[kitna2furrey]

Hey, where is that ZUMAYA FOR DUNN thread . lol . that was one of my all time favorites!

lol..no the idea is to trade him for a few young studs, not for one mid carreer stud.

[RedTeamGo!]

he isn't mid career, Dunn was 26 this year.

[kitna2furrey]

he isn't mid career, Dunn was 26 this year.

Still, trading Zoom straight up for ONE player, that's not wise.

[RedTeamGo!]

It depends on the one player. If its Mark Texiera, you better believe the Tigers should do that. Zumaya is awesome and all but he is a reliever, only pitches about 70-80 innings a season while Mark Texiera plays gold glove defense at first and is a really good lefty hitter which the Tigers need.

[jadefalcon]

The Tigers should be in the business of keeping their best young players, especially power arms. Zumaya is not Matt Anderson.

[kitna2furrey]

Maybe Zumaya to Atlanta for

Chipper Or Andrew Jones, tag on two hot prospects from their minors.

We trade zoom with maybe maroth or miner

That way we'd get a DH, some prospects in exchange for a potentially volatile reliever and a mediocre starter...*shrugs*

[ypsieast]

Well, Zoom's upside is "the next Mo Rivera". A 2-inning dominent closer. I shouldn't need to expand on how useful a guy like Rivera is.
His downside is "the next Rob Dibble". A guy who was filthy and unhittable for a 2 year stretch and broke down.
There is no way to really predict the liklihood of a career altering injury. The difference to me, is that the Tigers are in a window of opportunity here for playoffs, pennants and hopefully a championship (or more). Zoom is instrumental to our staff as Statik did a good job of pointing out here. (http://www.motownsports.com/forums/showthread.php?p=955829#post955829) Because of this window, I would not sacrifice Zumaya for potential future stars. From an ownership perspective, don't discount the marketability factor he brings. He puts fans in the park and generates extra national attention for the team.

[RedTeamGo!]

Maybe Zumaya to Atlanta for

Chipper Or Andrew Jones, tag on two hot prospects from their minors.

We trade zoom with maybe maroth or miner

That way we'd get a DH, some prospects in exchange for a potentially volatile reliever and a mediocre starter...*shrugs*

Who is the DH?

[kitna2furrey]

The Tigers should be in the business of keeping their best players. Zumaya is not Matt Anderson.

We don't know if he's a Matt Andersen or not.

I prefer getting a older stud as DH..ie one of the Jones's from Atlanta, and then maybe two of their studs.

Arms like Zumaya do not have a history of lasting long.

Unless he's a Clemems or Ryan......Or umm

[kitna2furrey]

Who is the DH?

If we can get andrew or chipper..i'd stick them at DH..then put the two stud prospects in the minors. But I'm not DD..haha

[RedTeamGo!]

If the Tigers got Andruw Jones he wouldn't be DHing, he would be patrolling that huge centerfield. Granderson is a great defensive centerfielder, but Jones might end up being the best of all time. Which means one of the outfielders would either have to be traded or benched. As you can see trading Zumaya brings up a ton of other questions with the roster, so why even trade him?

[SpartanValor]

I stopped reading at "think if we had traded matt anderson", as in, matt anderson and zumaya are comparable in any way, shape or form.

[estrepe1]

Zumaya has a violent delivery... but it is nothing compared to all arm Anderson.

I thought Anderson's arm would rip right out of the socket when I watched him pitch....

I don't think the team can afford to trade Zumaya at this point.

[kitna2furrey]

If the Tigers got Andruw Jones he wouldn't be DHing, he would be patrolling that huge centerfield. Granderson is a great defensive centerfielder, but Jones might end up being the best of all time. Which means one of the outfielders would either have to be traded or benched. As you can see trading Zumaya brings up a ton of other questions with the roster, so why even trade him?

Jones is getting along in his carreer. Having him at DH would be perfect..In my humble and hacked up opinion

[RedTeamGo!]

Andruw Jones was 29 years old this season and will be winning his 9th straight gold glove tomorrow morning....enough said. He isn't even old and is not your prototypical DH. Basically if the Tigers traded for him and put him on the roster as the permanent DH you would have one unhappy camper.

[lesgoblu02]

Andruw Jones was 29 years old this season and will be winning his 9th straight gold glove tomorrow morning....enough said. He isn't even old and is not your prototypical DH. Basically if the Tigers traded for him and put him on the roster as the permanent DH you would have one unhappy camper.


Make that 2 unhappy campers.



Yes, I'm talking about myself.

[estrepe1]

Andruw Jones was 29 years old this season and will be winning his 9th straight gold glove tomorrow morning....enough said. He isn't even old and is not your prototypical DH. Basically if the Tigers traded for him and put him on the roster as the permanent DH you would have one unhappy camper.

There is no way any team would make Andruw Jones the permanent DH. His defense has slipped a bit of late but it still is very good to great. He would be the CF just like he would be for most teams he would go to.

And I am one of the people that believes Granderson is one of the best defensive centerfielders in the majors...

[Tyrus]

I mentioned in another thread that I think it's odd that Zumaya is considered an untouchable -- yet if you were to ask people which Tiger pitcher would most likely blow out his arm, I'll bet most would say Zumaya.

I'm not eager to trade Zoom. But I'll tell you what: I'd trade him way before I'd trade Bonderman.

[estrepe1]

I'm not eager to trade Zoom. But I'll tell you what: I'd trade him way before I'd trade Bonderman.

Same here. Its not really all that close for me.

[tigerbomb13]

Anderson in his "prime" and Zumaya in his rookie season can't even be mentioned in the same paragraph. Sure Matt threw hard, but that's about it. And as hard as he threw, his fastballs had next to no movement. His breaking stuff could not touch Zumaya's either.

I do not think the Tiger brass wants to ever see Zumaya fling any octopi either.

[apabruce]

the idea is to trade him for a few young studs, not for one mid carreer stud.

Let's see, Zumaya is a young stud, and we trade him for a few young studs, presumably each not as good as Zumaya. Then, if one of them pans out, we could trade him for a few young studs...

Zumaya has five more years where the Tigers own the rights to his services. Bonderman has one, I believe. Because of that, I would trade Bonderman before Zumaya, although I would prefer not trading either.

[Domino]

The problem with trading Zumaya is that he is probably the most favorite player in the entire team right now. Whether people admit it or not this place is Zoom crazy. At the ballpark this year the fans would go CRAZY when Zumaya came in and I mean nuts. People had fake flame tatoos on their bodies... all kinds of Zumaya t-shirts started popping up all over... you really don't see this with any other player to this extent.

While I agree that he is probably the highest risk of injury amoung everyone on the team. Fans LOVE this guy, and trading him would really damage fan interest. That's my opinion just based on what I've seen this year. Zoom has also been out in the community a lot people see him around, I had a chance to meet him along with my 1 year old son -- super nice guy. Even had a beer with him another time. Plus talk about being fun to watch -- is there anything better than Zoom painting A-Rod on the corner at 103mph for a K? No, I don't think there is! I don't think it gets better than that. I've never seen 103mph in my life and this guy is over 100 regularly. He's a freak of nature in my opinion.

[detroitdan]

I wish I had more hands, so I could give this idea 4 thumbs down

[estrepe1]

Zumaya has five more years where the Tigers own the rights to his services. Bonderman has one, I believe. Because of that, I would trade Bonderman before Zumaya, although I would prefer not trading either.

Bonderman has 2 more years before he hits free agency. Hopefully more after this offseason....

[IdahoBert]

Why do we have to assume that Zoom is peaking right now and will suck later in his career? Just because he's a Tiger and we are always looking for the bottom to fall out? He's a cornerstone of the team. I guess no one is untouchable for the right price, but assuming he's just a flash in the pan we need to dump seems premature.

[apabruce]

Bonderman has 2 more years before he hits free agency. Hopefully more after this offseason....

Thank you. I feel better about him already.

[catswithbats]

It's not arm problems, it's wrist problems. Top-of-the-wrist problems IIRC?

[eastside billee]

I'm with Kitna. I'm ready to trade him for something we really need. A big big bat.

[djhutch]

I'd trade Zumaya, but it would have to be to a NL team. Braves, Reds or Marlins. We could move Chipper to 1B, but any trade involving the Braves needs to also net us Saltalamacchia. Zoom to the Reds for Dunn has been discussed ad nauseum. Zoom in a deal to the Marlins must net us Miguel Cabrera. I'm sure all of these would have to be package deals.

[tiger337]

While I agree that he is probably the highest risk of injury amoung everyone on the team. Fans LOVE this guy, and trading him would really damage fan interest.

He is popular but, if they win, there will be fan interest with or without him. If they lose, fan interest will drop with or without him.

[estrepe1]

I wouldn't deal for Chipper Jones right now. Way too injury prone.

[jadefalcon]

I'm with Kitna. I'm ready to trade him for something we really need. A big big bat.

We don't need a flamethrowing lights-out reliever? We shouldn't get rid of Zoom just because he may go down with injury in the near future. Isn't it alomost as likely that the big hitter Zoom gets traded for injures his knee and never gets back to his pre-injury from?

[JonBenke]

If you could get a young, stud bat for Zumaya .. of course you have to make that deal, but could you get that guy for Zumaya, I don't know.

[estrepe1]

Isn't it alomost as likely that the big hitter Zoom gets traded for injures his knee and never gets back to his pre-injury from?

No. The chances of a flamethrowing reliever being injured are much higher than the chances of a position player.

[djhutch]

We don't need a flamethrowing lights-out reliever? We shouldn't get rid of Zoom just because he may go down with injury in the near future. Isn't it alomost as likely that the big hitter Zoom gets traded for injures his knee and never gets back to his pre-injury from?

You're not trading him because he might get injured. You're trading him to make your team better. I love Zoom, but if you have a chance to get Miguel Cabrera you do it.

[keglerv]

I think we should trade everyone once they get good because who wants to risk injury or decline on any good player. A team full of 'safe' players sounds so much better than a team with good players.

[whitecapwendy]

Well, Zoom's upside is "the next Mo Rivera". A 2-inning dominent closer. I shouldn't need to expand on how useful a guy like Rivera is.
His downside is "the next Rob Dibble". A guy who was filthy and unhittable for a 2 year stretch and broke down.
There is no way to really predict the liklihood of a career altering injury. The difference to me, is that the Tigers are in a window of opportunity here for playoffs, pennants and hopefully a championship (or more). Zoom is instrumental to our staff as Statik did a good job of pointing out here. (http://www.motownsports.com/forums/showthread.php?p=955829#post955829) Because of this window, I would not sacrifice Zumaya for potential future stars. From an ownership perspective, don't discount the marketability factor he brings. He puts fans in the park and generates extra national attention for the team.
In a thread earlier this year I made the comment, "you don't sacrifice the future on the altar of the immediate". I don't think we should sacrifice all of our present on the altar of the future either........:ponder: .......:confused: ....well, you get what I mean.

[DrWho17]

Well, Zoom's upside is "the next Mo Rivera". A 2-inning dominent closer. I shouldn't need to expand on how useful a guy like Rivera is.
His downside is "the next Rob Dibble". A guy who was filthy and unhittable for a 2 year stretch and broke down.
There is no way to really predict the liklihood of a career altering injury. The difference to me, is that the Tigers are in a window of opportunity here for playoffs, pennants and hopefully a championship (or more). Zoom is instrumental to our staff as Statik did a good job of pointing out here. (http://www.motownsports.com/forums/showthread.php?p=955829#post955829) Because of this window, I would not sacrifice Zumaya for potential future stars. From an ownership perspective, don't discount the marketability factor he brings. He puts fans in the park and generates extra national attention for the team.
Zumaya is more like Dibble then Mariano. Zumaya/Dibble were big guys with rough deliveries that rely on straight velocity, Rivera has good stuff, but is really a control pitcher relying on his command.

[DrWho17]

Zumaya has a violent delivery... but it is nothing compared to all arm Anderson.

I thought Anderson's arm would rip right out of the socket when I watched him pitch....

I don't think the team can afford to trade Zumaya at this point.
Well, a middle reliever is expendable. Zumaya wasn't much of a factor during the Tigers playoff run actually and the Tigers got along fine, lesser pitchers (Rodney) could fill his role without much dropoff. If the Tigers can get someone to overpay for him, they should do it, since they themselves have injury concerns about him long term (see Moving to bullpen), and he's only a middle reliever.

[estrepe1]

Well, a middle reliever is expendable. Zumaya wasn't much of a factor during the Tigers playoff run actually and the Tigers got along fine, lesser pitchers (Rodney) could fill his role without much dropoff. If the Tigers can get someone to overpay for him, they should do it, since they themselves have injury concerns about him long term (see Moving to bullpen), and he's only a middle reliever.

They did get by and he certainly could be replaced. But I question whether any team will really overpay for him.

By saying they can't afford to deal him I am thinking that the player they get back wouldn't be worth what they were likely giving up.

[zachcadillac]

Zumaya should not be untouchable. But I think trading him due to injury concerns is paranoid.