What if next year we keep Carlos at 1b

[7kidzzz]

and go out this winter and get a new SS? Let's face it, Carlos's arm is his achilles heel and eventually he will most probably end up at 1b.

[estrepe1]

Guillen had a fluke year with his arm.

[T.O. Tiger Fan]

Depends if you can upgrade the SS position.

[estrepe1]

I think it would be hard to find a big enough upgrade at SS to make it really worth it. Considering it would be easier to find someone that hits close to the level of Guillen that plays 1B. If you do that you improve the team more than if you move Guillen to 1B and get someone that is an average hitting/high defense SS.

For it to be worth it that defender would have to be gold glove level.

[pyrotigers]

I would support this move...but only if we can't find a slugging first basemen in a trade or free agency.

[thefunk]

put A-rod at short.

[Thomas Habitz]

Guillen to first, Inge to short, trade for one of the nice 3B's around baseball who will become surplus -- someone like Crede or Teahen with Fields and Gordon pushing them. Infante remains the best utility man in baseball, or potential trade bait himself.

[jadefalcon]

We'd be better off going out for a legit 1st baseman like Tex.

[Edman85]

Only if it's Arod or Tejada, otherwise it's idiotic to move a great hitting shortstop to a position where his offense is merely average.

[Fool Inc.]

I'd be happy with any infielder as long as it doesn't mess up the chemistry of the team.

[Yoda]

Think about it. If we did that, than whatever SS we'd get is what our offense would be upgraded by. That's not likely to be much. When looking at the team as a whole, it would be much easier to add production by adding a 1st baseman. I don't see how moving Carlos would help much right now. As long as he can play there, lets leave him. Take advantage of that by adding a big 1st baseman.

[JonBenke]

Take advantage of that by adding a big 1st baseman.
I agree. I also expect us to add a high profile 1B, and while that may not be Mark Teixeira, I still expect someone who can bat between 3-5. It's hard to get a guage on how the off season will play out, so it's hard to figure out on who might be out there .. but fully I expect DD to make the right move.

[djhutch]

I would think it would be cheaper to find a 1B than a SS. However I wouldn't be against putting in a call to Cashman about A-Rod. Having him in a Tigers' uni when he breaks Barry Bonds' all-time HR record would be sweet.

[Yoda]

I think ARod genuinely wants to be accepted by the fans and the media. He would get that here and would probably excell once again.

[knoxvegas]

I would think it would be cheaper to find a 1B than a SS. However I wouldn't be against putting in a call to Cashman about A-Rod. Having him in a Tigers' uni when he breaks Barry Bonds' all-time HR record would be sweet.

Sounds good until you hear what Cashman would probably ask for. Problem with ARod is people think hes better than hes showed in playoffs (myself included) so you cant undervalue him.

[7kidzzz]

put A-rod at short.

OMG, shut up!
:glasses:

[cruzer1]

For all of those clamoring for Jeter for MVP, Guillen led AL SS in OPS this year (and 2006).

By the way, he's also 11-16, with two doubles and a HR lifetime against Loaiza. Holy crap!

[7kidzzz]

Prioor to game 3 FoxSports apparently floated an A-Rod to Detorit theory because he wants to play SS. I shudder to imagine what we'd have to give up.

[eastside billee]

I understand it's a young hot pitcher.

[tigerkid23]

I understand it's a young hot pitcher.

If his initials are JB or JV, no thanks. Even JZ is questionable, though I think I'd pull the trigger.

[estrepe1]

I doubt the Tigers give up JV or JB for Rodriguez. Dombrowski will continue to build around pitching.

[tigerkid23]

I doubt the Tigers give up JV or JB for Rodriguez. Dombrowski will continue to build around pitching.

Which is the smart thing to do.

See, Detroit Tigers 2006 Postseason

[Sparks4Ever]

Bonderman for A-Rod? You better believe Dombrowski would pull the trigger. Besides, we're only guarenteed another 2 years with Bondo.

[Johnny Mac]

I think ARod genuinely wants to be accepted by the fans and the media. He would get that here and would probably excell once again.

he may be the first tiger that i truely dislike(if we get him)

although that may change when he gets here

[jadefalcon]

Bonderman for A-Rod? You better believe Dombrowski would pull the trigger. Besides, we're only guarenteed another 2 years with Bondo.

Illitch will pony up the money to resign the pitchers that got us here. Illitch and DD won't let these guys leave unless we're getting great players for them.

[berneree]

I suggest picking up Jack Cust and keeping Sean Casey. There isn't any 1B free agents that look that good. Thus lets really use our 2006 success and get the best 4-5 risky pickups like Jack Cust, Jason Stokes, Tony Clark, Aubrey Huff. One of these guys will find gold. I would really go after Jack Cust.

And of course get Aramis Ramirez to play 3B.

[estrepe1]

If Ramirez does opt out of his contract I wouldn't be opposed to signing him and putting him at first. I know Inge isn't the best offensive player but I love his defense over there.

[snoogit]

no, no no no no no no no Guillen is not a 1st Baseman.

[tigerkid23]

I think it might be easier to find a stud first baseman than it would be to replace Carlos at SS. His range is fine and he had a flukey year with his arm. Keep him at SS and find a way to get Nick Johnson from the Nats.

[rhinocrash]

Putting Guillen at first right now is like when the Tigers put Mickey Stanley at short during the 1968 World Series. You can get away with it in the short term, but, in the long run, it would cost the Tigers. Its not his natural position, and it would eventually show itself over a 160 game season.

Lets not be so fast to write Chris Shelton out of the picture. I know he slumped off during the middle of the season and got sent down, but I believe he could be a 30 hr, 100 rbi man next year. And Casey will heal from his injury over the offseason, and I think he wants to stay here! Putting Carlos at short for the long-haul would hurt both his play, and the Tigers as a whole.

[HeyAbbott]

I think looking for a true first baseman makes the most sense. I know Bagwell is an FA this year, but, will he really be courting other offers besides Huston?

[berneree]

I think looking for a true first baseman makes the most sense. I know Bagwell is an FA this year, but, will he really be courting other offers besides Huston?
In case you didn't notice.....Jeff Bagwell is more retired than Troy Percival.

[estrepe1]

Bonderman for A-Rod? You better believe Dombrowski would pull the trigger. Besides, we're only guarenteed another 2 years with Bondo.

I don't know that he would.

[RobSk]

Putting Guillen at first right now is like when the Tigers put Mickey Stanley at short during the 1968 World Series. You can get away with it in the short term, but, in the long run, it would cost the Tigers. Its not his natural position, and it would eventually show itself over a 160 game season.

Lets not be so fast to write Chris Shelton out of the picture. I know he slumped off during the middle of the season and got sent down, but I believe he could be a 30 hr, 100 rbi man next year. And Casey will heal from his injury over the offseason, and I think he wants to stay here! Putting Carlos at short for the long-haul would hurt both his play, and the Tigers as a whole.

I have no idea what Shelton can do, but I am almost certain he won't do it for the Tigers. He may have 1 last chance in the WS if Casey is hurt..But maybe not..I wouldn't be surprised to see someone else get the 1b roster spot for the WS over Shelton.

Rob

[sabretooth]

Chris Shelton is a better hitter than anybody we'd acquire at SS other than A-Rod or Tejada. The price for getting one of those two guys is likely to be prohibitive, however.

If Shelton will never get another shot to be our First Baseman, then our best move for the money would be to acquire Texiera or another slugging First Baseman and leave Guillen at SS.

[Charles Liston]

I'm OK with Carlos at 1B, if it's Carlos Delgado.

[estrepe1]

Chris Shelton is a better hitter than anybody we'd acquire at SS other than A-Rod or Tejada. The price for getting one of those two guys is likely to be prohibitive, however.

If Shelton will never get another shot to be our First Baseman, then our best move for the money would be to acquire Texiera or another slugging First Baseman and leave Guillen at SS.

Agreed. I think Shelton is done with the Tigers personally.....

[iceteebone]

if you are thinking of locking guillen to a long term contract, you gotta consider him a first basemen. if you sign guillen to a 3-4 year extension, i really don't think he will live out that contract at SS. I'd take 320/19/85 out of my first baseman. casey has put up well below those numbers. i don't care where the production comes from, as long as the team as a whole produces. this lineup is totally unorthodox to begin with. the 7-8-9 hitters have more homeruns then the 4-5-6 hitters and the leadoff hitter led the league in strikeouts. didn't seattle move guillen to 3rd because they were concerned of his defense? imo i think guillen is above average at 1st base, and if you can get a good defensive SS, and get a good RF who can bat in the middle of the lineup, that allows you to DH magglio, and you improve your defense all the way around.

[estrepe1]

I think that Guillen could last at SS another 3-4 years. His range has been pretty good this year, but his arm has had a fluke year.

Sorry I just don't see it as a definite move that would have to be made.

[jadefalcon]

I'm OK with Carlos at 1B, if it's Carlos Delgado.

Carlos Delgado is such a butcher at 1st. He is a DH. However, I still wouldn't mind having him in our lineup. :wink:

[iceteebone]

I think that Guillen could last at SS another 3-4 years. His range has been pretty good this year, but his arm has had a fluke year.

Sorry I just don't see it as a definite move that would have to be made.
when i watch him at SS it seems that his range is average, plus his leg injuries only limits him even more. i don't read into the error's too much. i was watching one game at tampa and the ball just poped out of dimitri's glove and guillen was charged with the error. pitching and defense wins championship so if you can improve your defense and offense at the same time, it's a plus

[estrepe1]

But there are very few shortstops that would make it worth moving Guillen to first base. They would either have to offer at least just as good a bat or gold glove level defense with an average bat.

There aren't many of those around.

The easiest route to improving the offense is to acquire a firstbaseman and perhaps acquire a dh.

[iceteebone]

But there are very few shortstops that would make it worth moving Guillen to first base. They would either have to offer at least just as good a bat or gold glove level defense with an average bat.

There aren't many of those around.

The easiest route to improving the offense is to acquire a firstbaseman and perhaps acquire a dh.
i'm not sure what SS are available, but soriano is available and he maybe a better option then trading for A-rod. to get A-rod it will take atleast jeremy bonderman and others to get him. you can sign soriano and play him in RF and DH magglio, or sign carlos lee. now you could consider moving inge to SS and sign aramis ramirez to play 3rd. you loose a little at 3rd but inge is a great athlete and should play well at SS.

[estrepe1]

So you think the Tigers should add about 35-40 million dollars to their payroll?

I wouldn't move Inge from 3B.

[iceteebone]

So you think the Tigers should add about 35-40 million dollars to their payroll?

I wouldn't move Inge from 3B.


well people are saying add A-rod and that would be adding 64 million to the tigers payroll, and you would have to loose a good young arm. my point was i would rather pursue soriano instead of A-rod

[Madmanrick]

I would think it would be cheaper to find a 1B than a SS. However I wouldn't be against putting in a call to Cashman about A-Rod. Having him in a Tigers' uni when he breaks Barry Bonds' all-time HR record would be sweet.


The problem(s) with going after A-Rod are legion, let's discuss a few...

1. He has a blanket no trade clause and doesn't want to leave NY
2. He isn't exactly a clutch performer
3. He is a pretty terrible club-house guy
4. He hasn't proven that he can be part of a championship team
5. The Yankmees are going to want Verlander, Zumaya and perhaps another player for him, if the reports are true

If any of the above are true, I say we'd be better off without A-Rod. I suggest (as others have as well) that we keep Guillen at SS and go after a big 1B, someone who has more power and RBI potential. We also could use a big DH (or RF if we move Ordonez to DH), someone like Manny Ramirez...who can drive in runs in his sleep.

[iceteebone]

The problem(s) with going after A-Rod are legion, let's discuss a few...

1. He has a blanket no trade clause and doesn't want to leave NY
2. He isn't exactly a clutch performer
3. He is a pretty terrible club-house guy
4. He hasn't proven that he can be part of a championship team
5. The Yankmees are going to want Verlander, Zumaya and perhaps another player for him, if the reports are true

If any of the above are true, I say we'd be better off without A-Rod. I suggest (as others have as well) that we keep Guillen at SS and go after a big 1B, someone who has more power and RBI potential. We also could use a big DH (or RF if we move Ordonez to DH), someone like Manny Ramirez...who can drive in runs in his sleep.


i would much rather have A-rod in the clubhouse then manny ramirez.

[estrepe1]

well people are saying add A-rod and that would be adding 64 million to the tigers payroll, and you would have to loose a good young arm. my point was i would rather pursue soriano instead of A-rod

Well A-Rod is down to about 15 million a year with Texas paying a big portion of the salary. You would add 64 million over the rest of the contract but what you are talking about doing would add 35-40 million a year to the Tigers payroll and would add a total of around 175 - 200 million total if the contracts were 5 years long.

[FloridaTigers]

Only if we get a Tejada or an A-Rod. Keep Carlos at SS until then.

[iceteebone]

Well A-Rod is down to about 15 million a year with Texas paying a big portion of the salary. You would add 64 million over the rest of the contract but what you are talking about doing would add 35-40 million a year to the Tigers payroll and would add a total of around 175 - 200 million total if the contracts were 5 years long.


if the tigers pay soriano 35-40 million a season illitch and dombrowski need to be executed

[estrepe1]

Only if we get a Tejada or an A-Rod. Keep Carlos at SS until then.

Correct. Acquire a 1B for much less in a trade/cost and you will improve the offense much more than moving Guillen to 1B for someone like Julio Lugo.

If Aramis Ramirez is available (no clue on that one yet) I wouldn't mind getting him and making him a 1B.

[estrepe1]

if the tigers pay soriano 35-40 million a season illitch and dombrowski need to be executed

You were talking about adding not only Soriano but Ramirez or Carlos Lee as well.

Unless I was confused by the wording and it seems that I was. Sorry about that.

[iceteebone]

You were talking about adding not only Soriano but Ramirez or Carlos Lee as well.

Unless I was confused by the wording.
you must have. i was talking about adding soriano, and DH magglio and at a mid-level good defensive SS. what i basically said about ramirez was he would be a worse lockerroom presence then a-rod

[estrepe1]

you must have. i was talking about adding soriano, and DH magglio and at a mid-level good defensive SS.

I still don't think that would be a good move. Not as good as adding an above average bat at 1B while keeping Guillen at SS.

Moving Magglio to DH would be a good idea but I don't know if it will happen next season.

[iceteebone]

I still don't think that would be a good move. Not as good as adding an above average bat at 1B while keeping Guillen at SS.

Moving Magglio to DH would be a good idea but I don't know if it will happen next season.


i just didn't like what i saw from guillen defensivly at short this year. he is 30 and idk if he is gonna get better. guillen is such a good all-around hitter that i want to see him in detroit but i think 3-4 year from now, he will be compromising our defense, and if you bring in a big first base, you are stuck because most likely magglio will be DH. i'm not sure who all is available this off-season. i think the tigers also need to address a leadoff hitter. granderson i can see as a no 3 or no 5 hitter in the lineup.

[RobSk]

If Guillen is having defensive problems 3-4 years from now, lets fix it 3-4 years from now. Moving an average defensive/top of the league offensive SS to 1b because he might have problems in the future doesn't make a lot of sense.

Rob

[estrepe1]

If Guillen is having defensive problems 3-4 years from now, lets fix it 3-4 years from now. Moving an average defensive/top of the league offensive SS to 1b because he might have problems in the future doesn't make a lot of sense.

Rob

This is my feeling as well. Don't worry about something until it is actually a problem.

[ballmich]

If Guillen is having defensive problems 3-4 years from now, lets fix it 3-4 years from now. Moving an average defensive/top of the league offensive SS to 1b because he might have problems in the future doesn't make a lot of sense.

Rob

i think that Guillen could be a defensive problem before 3-4 years from now... but as of now (or next season), he is fine defensively and deserves to stay at SS unless we acquire a better option - which is not likely.

i'd like to give Shelton another shot at 1b next season and would rather try to upgrade LF. to upgrade 1b, we would likely need to trade for a player, since the FA market is weak at that position this winter. however, LF should have some very intriguing options: Bonds, Sheffield (if NYY decline option), and Dellucci. i particularly like Bonds and Sheffield, since they both would require very short term contracts, and won't be blocking the progress of Maybin and/or Clevlen. plus, both are unlikely to be offered arbitration, for fear that they will accept, which means we could sign them without relinquishing any draft picks. Dellucci might be offered arbitration...

[estrepe1]

I think Dellucci is going to take a 3-4 year contract. Bonds would likely be the DH. Which would be enough by itself to improve the offense by a lot.

Sheffield is a favorite of mine if he is healthy. I wouldn't mind signing him at all.

[jadefalcon]

I think Dellucci is going to take a 3-4 year contract. Bonds would likely be the DH. Which would be enough by itself to improve the offense by a lot.

Sheffield is a favorite of mine if he is healthy. I wouldn't mind signing him at all.

I think the Tigers should go all out for Bonds because of what he can do for the offense. Would you have Sheffield slotted in as the 1B or corner OF? I like Sheffield too, but I want a 1B'man to play 1B for us next year.

[RobSk]

i think that Guillen could be a defensive problem before 3-4 years from now... but as of now (or next season), he is fine defensively and deserves to stay at SS unless we acquire a better option - which is not likely.

i'd like to give Shelton another shot at 1b next season and would rather try to upgrade LF. to upgrade 1b, we would likely need to trade for a player, since the FA market is weak at that position this winter. however, LF should have some very intriguing options: Bonds, Sheffield (if NYY decline option), and Dellucci. i particularly like Bonds and Sheffield, since they both would require very short term contracts, and won't be blocking the progress of Maybin and/or Clevlen. plus, both are unlikely to be offered arbitration, for fear that they will accept, which means we could sign them without relinquishing any draft picks. Dellucci might be offered arbitration...

Obviously I'd be thrilled to have Bonds or Sheffield. My suspicion is that, WS Champs or not, that won't happen. In any event, I don't think Shelton will be given a chance at first next season. They'll address 1b in the offseason.

Garciaparra is the guy I think we could potentially get, and would help quite a bit.

Rob

[estrepe1]

I think the Tigers should go all out for Bonds because of what he can do for the offense. Would you have Sheffield slotted in as the 1B or corner OF? I like Sheffield too, but I want a 1B'man to play 1B for us next year.

DH?

Obviously I'd be thrilled to have Bonds or Sheffield. My suspicion is that, WS Champs or not, that won't happen. In any event, I don't think Shelton will be given a chance at first next season. They'll address 1b in the offseason.

Garciaparra is the guy I think we could potentially get, and would help quite a bit.

Rob


Nomar is an interesting option although I am not sure he will ever stay healthy for a full season again.

If they go after oft-injured Nomar I would rather see what it would take to get oft-injured Nick Johnson....

[RobSk]

Nomar is an interesting option although I am not sure he will ever stay healthy for a full season again.

If they go after oft-injured Nomar I would rather see what it would take to get oft-injured Nick Johnson....

Johnson is too awesome to think about. A guy that gets on consistently .400+, with some power...Be still my heart. :)

Rob

[iceteebone]

If Guillen is having defensive problems 3-4 years from now, lets fix it 3-4 years from now. Moving an average defensive/top of the league offensive SS to 1b because he might have problems in the future doesn't make a lot of sense.

Rob

if you go out an acquire a 1st basemen say a giambi type (not at all saying they are getting giambi, just a player of his type) he is not gonna be an option in a couple years at first base so you'll have to DH him. now if you DH that first basemen, you can't DH magglio who will be a liability defensivly and will be unmovable due to his contract, so now you are stuck with below average defense at first, SS, and RF. if you move guillen to first now, get a good defensive SS, and a nice hitting RF, say soriano or lee, your future will be in better shape. remember we aren't the yankees and don't need all-star calibur players at every position. then in the future you can move lee or soriano to left, and play clevelen or maybin in right, and trade monroe.