Say goodbye to the playoffs

[tigersrok]

The Tigers simply can not hit and the pitching has fallen off and can no longer compensate for that fact.

Minnesota is only 2 games behind now, with Chicago also closing in. Even the nearness to the end of the season will not save the Tigers from this historic collapse. The first 4 months of the season were a pleasant surprise, but the same old Tigers have reappeared with another late season collapse. They have major holes that are showing. And moreso are choking majorly.

They can't beat their main competition for the playoffs. They can't even win series from non-contenders like the Angels and Mariners. What a disgusting collapse.

[DrWho17]

The Pitching hasn't fallen off at all, it's been solid. The offense is the entire problem with the team.

[kdog]

The Tigers simply can not hit and the pitching has fallen off and can no longer compensate for that fact.

Minnesota is only 2 games behind now, with Chicago also closing in. Even the nearness to the end of the season will not save the Tigers from this historic collapse. The first 4 months of the season were a pleasant surprise, but the same old Tigers have reappeared with another late season collapse. They have major holes that are showing. And moreso are choking majorly.

They can't beat their main competition for the playoffs. They can't even win series from non-contenders like the Angels and Mariners. What a disgusting collapse.

Thanks for stating the obvious. I'm happy that you're happy when they lose.

[Domino]

The Pitching hasn't fallen off at all, it's been solid. The offense is the entire problem with the team.

Actually there are 3 problems -- the same points I've made for a month
1. Can't hit and have no plate discipline
2. Make too many critical errors in the field and baserunning
3. Jim Leyland has not been a good manager the last 5 weeks by any stretch of anyone's imagination.

Even today with giving up 8 runs, our pitching has been solid and is first overall in the MLB, and second in the MLB for the last month.

[estrepe1]

I will be there with you if they can't beat the Rangers and Orioles this week.

Pitching was bad today but has been good in September. Before this game the staff had a 2.56 era with a 3.7 runs allowed per game.

That is actually getting better not worse.... The defense has fallen off a bit though.

[wolverinefan]

The pitching point in incorrect.

[tigerkid23]

I will be there with you if they can't beat the Rangers and Orioles this week.

Pitching was bad today but has been good in September. Before this game the staff had a 2.56 era with a 3.7 runs allowed per game.

That is actually getting better not worse.... The defense has fallen off a bit though.

Agreed 100%. They NEED a winning record against Texas and Baltimore or they're done.

[T.O. Tiger Fan]

I will be there with you if they can't beat the Rangers and Orioles this week.

Pitching was bad today but has been good in September. Before this game the staff had a 2.56 era with a 3.7 runs allowed per game.

That is actually getting better not worse.... The defense has fallen off a bit though.

IMO, the 3 games in Chicago next week will directly determine their playoff fate. If they are ahead of Chicago after that series, I think they get in.

[pyrotigers]

The Tigers simply can not hit and the pitching has fallen off and can no longer compensate for that fact.

Minnesota is only 2 games behind now, with Chicago also closing in. Even the nearness to the end of the season will not save the Tigers from this historic collapse. The first 4 months of the season were a pleasant surprise, but the same old Tigers have reappeared with another late season collapse. They have major holes that are showing. And moreso are choking majorly.

They can't beat their main competition for the playoffs. They can't even win series from non-contenders like the Angels and Mariners. What a disgusting collapse.

You see, this is why 'negative posters' always feel like they're getting picked on, it's because they won't make an argument without either making things up or just being wrong.

[tigersfandm]

The Tigers simply can not hit and the pitching has fallen off and can no longer compensate for that fact.

Minnesota is only 2 games behind now, with Chicago also closing in. Even the nearness to the end of the season will not save the Tigers from this historic collapse. The first 4 months of the season were a pleasant surprise, but the same old Tigers have reappeared with another late season collapse. They have major holes that are showing. And moreso are choking majorly.

They can't beat their main competition for the playoffs. They can't even win series from non-contenders like the Angels and Mariners. What a disgusting collapse.

Yet another rediculous panic thread started up. What a great fan you are by calling it quits before the season is even over. Pathetic...

[thefunk]

my god. panic panic panic. how about you wait till the season's ACTUALLY OVER before you start whining like this.

if we go +.500 in the next 5 games, and steal 2 from the white sox, I think we'll get in.

Remember. We're still winning the division.

[estrepe1]

IMO, the 3 games in Chicago next week will directly determine their playoff fate. If they are ahead of Chicago after that series, I think they get in.

Which is why it is imperative to have a winning record against the Rangers and Orioles in the coming series. If they can pull of a 4-1 stretch against those two... I think we can count on gaining at least a game maybe 2 on the White Sox with their 6 games against the Angels and A's out west.... They need at LEAST 3-2 versus those two. And if they find a way to win both against the Rangers they need at least 4 of 5.

[T.O. Tiger Fan]

Which is why it is imperative to have a winning record against the Rangers and Orioles in the coming series. If they can pull of a 4-1 stretch against those two... I think we can count on gaining at least a game maybe 2 on the White Sox with their 6 games against the Angels and A's out west.... They need at LEAST 3-2 versus those two. And if they find a way to win both against the Rangers they need at least 4 of 5.

I think the Sox go 3-3, 4-2 at best out West, so a 3-2 record for the Tigers this week means they either gain/lose half a game. I'll take that for sure.

[DTownPride]

The Tigers simply can not hit and the pitching has fallen off and can no longer compensate for that fact.

Minnesota is only 2 games behind now, with Chicago also closing in. Even the nearness to the end of the season will not save the Tigers from this historic collapse. The first 4 months of the season were a pleasant surprise, but the same old Tigers have reappeared with another late season collapse. They have major holes that are showing. And moreso are choking majorly.

They can't beat their main competition for the playoffs. They can't even win series from non-contenders like the Angels and Mariners. What a disgusting collapse.
The Tigers are winning the division!!!!!!!! Be positive.....if you can't get excited about a chance to make the playoffs, then you have a problem. Yeah, we are struggling some, but big deal, we were on a tear earlier in the year. We could easily win the majority of the games against Texas and Baltimore and be back up by 3 or 4. Relax, enjoy it.

[mckibbka]

The white sox are losing 4-2 in the 9th!!!

[MichiganFan1717]

I've got no problem with people panicking, heck, I'm somewhat panicing. I get bugged when people say things like, if we don't do this, then we're done. Or when people give up all hope with 3 weeks left. This is a playoff race folks, we should treat every game like it matters, its okay to panic. Just don't set dates or things that must be done to win, or worse, give up all hope early.

[estrepe1]

I've got no problem with people panicking, heck, I'm somewhat panicing. I get bugged when people say things like, if we don't do this, then we're done. Or when people give up all hope with 3 weeks left. This is a playoff race folks, we should treat every game like it matters, its okay to panic. Just don't set dates or things that must be done to win, or worse, give up all hope early.

Well I agree. However they need to beat the teams they are supposed to beat. Sure they can make the playoffs if they get swept over the next 5 games. But I am not going to say that it is likely.

[holygoat]

Thank you for the invitation to "say goodbye to the playoffs", but I'll pass for now. I'll say goodbye to the playoffs when the Twins and ChiSox finish above the Tigers in the standings. That hasn't happened yet.

[T.O. Tiger Fan]

The Tigers are winning the division!!!!!!!! Be positive.....if you can't get excited about a chance to make the playoffs, then you have a problem. Yeah, we are struggling some, but big deal, we were on a tear earlier in the year. We could easily win the majority of the games against Texas and Baltimore and be back up by 3 or 4. Relax, enjoy it.

If you look at the standings Oct. 2 and see Detroit in 3rd, then be disappointed. Until then, enjoy it.

[DaYooperASBDT]

Damn, the Twins are really good. I still think the Tigers will get the wild card, but right now Minnesota looks like a better ballclub. Even without Liriano they are still getting some great pitching. I'll feel better if they start winning a series here and there.

[Casimir]

Thank you for the invitation to "say goodbye to the playoffs", but I'll pass for now. I'll say goodbye to the playoffs when the Twins and ChiSox finish above the Tigers in the standings. That hasn't happened yet.

Co-sign.

Actually, if the people that believe that the playoffs are gone and the Tiger season will end on Oct 1 could just leave the forum, that'd be great, thanks.

[catswithbats]

Remember. We're still winning the division.

We are? I thought we were in third place. Silly me! :rambo:

[redshark63]

All I could think of when I saw the title of this thread was:

"Say Goodbye to Hollywood"

from Billy Joel

A great song.

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/j/joel+billy/say+goodbye+to+hollywood_20073040.html

[chesterlimon]

kys

[estrepe1]

Indians win 5-2 over the White Sox.

[Yoda]

Is anyone else more put off by all of this drama than the actual games?

[chesterlimon]

yes

[detroitdan]

I still think they have a pretty decent schedule from now until the end of the season...they are going to make the playoffs

[T.O. Tiger Fan]

Is anyone else more put off by all of this drama than the actual games?

I forgot the game was still going...lol.

[estrepe1]

Is anyone else more put off by all of this drama than the actual games?

I tried to turn this into a thread with some analysis to it! I really did by mentioning the schedules coming up. I really feel like the Tigers need to have a winning homestand. If for nothing else to give them confidence going into Chicago.

[DTownPride]

If you look at the standings Oct. 2 and see Detroit in 3rd, then be disappointed. Until then, enjoy it.
I agree with this.

[Yoda]

I tried to turn this into a thread with some analysis to it! I really did by mentioning the schedules coming up. I really feel like the Tigers need to have a winning homestand. If for nothing else to give them confidence going into Chicago.

You should have known better. :happy:

[T.O. Tiger Fan]

I still think they have a pretty decent schedule from now until the end of the season...they are going to make the playoffs

Chicago Remaining Schedule:
3 at LA
3 at Oak
3 vs. Det
4 vs Sea
3 at Cle
3 at Min

Detroit Remaining Schedule:
2 vs. Tex
3 vs. Bal
3 at Chi
1 at Bal
3 at KC
3 vs Tor
3 vs KC

I dont know about you, but I will take the Tigers chances up 3 in the Loss column right now.

[GartenSpartan]

As a Tiger fan that's new to the whole pennant race thing, I think this maybe harder to watch than the years of losing prior to this season. I can't help but feel that the Tigers are in the process of wasting 4.5 months of great baseball and it's sickening to watch.

[Casimir]

I really did by mentioning the schedules coming up. I really feel like the Tigers need to have a winning homestand. If for nothing else to give them confidence going into Chicago.

They just need to start winning before the playoffs start. The slump has gone on long enough. They just need to turn around the hitting misfortune and get some vigor back into the lineup, some how, some way.

[Yoda]

As a Tiger fan that's new to the whole pennant race thing, I think this maybe harder to watch than the years of losing prior to this season. I can't help but feel that the Tigers are in the process of wasting 4.5 months of great baseball and it's sickening to watch.

How are they wasted? Isn't being able to watch a great team for most of the summer worth anything?

[DrWho17]

Is anyone else more put off by all of this drama than the actual games?
Stop posting or reading the threads you don't like? Just let them die and they will, if they are meaningless. If you truly want to see an end to the drama, quit trying to stir it up on *every* thread.

[GartenSpartan]

How are they wasted? Isn't being able to watch a great team for most of the summer worth anything?

Absolutely, this will still be by far the best season of Tigers baseball I've ever seen, but this is still disappointing to see what once looked like a great chance at the playoffs become just merely decent with no signs of our team snapping out of this slump. It would be greatly disappointing if the Tigers don't make the playoffs...especially because I've never seen them in the playoffs and also because it's pretty rare for a team to have the type of lead they had at one point and miss out. Maybe some of you can deal with these types of thoughts better than me, but this is just how I am feeling about them right now.

[DaYooperASBDT]

I view this season as the first great step toward a potential baseball dynasty. This team has added 50+ wins since 2003, and has a terrific young core of pitching, along with some great young OF's. And I still feel that Shelton, Inge, and Infante have a lot of good baseball in them.

If they fall short, despite the hot start, this season is still a success, and I have enjoyed it.

[Ron Burgandy]

Is anyone else more put off by all of this drama than the actual games?

Yep. I'm finding this recent slide much more bearable by increasingly disengaging from the board here. Hopefully I can re-engage in a couple weeks before our playoff run.

[Timberwolf]

Keep the faith, Tigers fans.

They are a playoff team.

This weekend may not have been good one, but this team has enough talent to get some wins and get to the playoffs. Bottom line is win against the White Sox and they will be in. I have faith the Tigers will get it done.

I for one don't think Chicago has what it takes to be a playoff team. Their hitting has struggled sans this weekend and I am still not convinced about their pitching even though they had a good week. Chicago has a tough schedule and at the final weekend, you know Eric Wedge and Ron Gardenhire will have their teams ready to end Chicago's season. Twins and Indians especially the Twins are obessed with ending Chicago's season.

[Yoda]

Stop posting on the threads you don't like? Just let it die, this thread was moving along nicely, until out of left field you had to through in that comment. If you truly want to see an end to the drama, quit trying to stir it up on *every* thread.

Yes sir.

[T.O. Tiger Fan]

Absolutely, this will still be by far the best season of Tigers baseball I've ever seen, but this is still disappointing to see what once looked like a great chance at the playoffs become just merely decent with no signs of our team snapping out of this slump. It would be greatly disappointing if the Tigers don't make the playoffs...especially because I've never seen them in the playoffs and also because it's pretty rare for a team to have the type of lead they had at one point and miss out. Maybe some of you can deal with these types of thoughts better than me, but this is just how I am feeling about them right now.

I think the whole point is, don't worry about things that MAY or MAY NOT HAPPEN. If they don't make the playoffs, then complain all you want about them blowing it. Until then, they are in first place and you have to assume they will make it until proven wrong.

[DaYooperASBDT]

Yep. I'm finding this recent slide much more bearable by increasingly disengaging from the board here. Hopefully I can re-engage in a couple weeks before our playoff run.

There's a wise course of action. We have some posters on here right now who absolutely feed off the personal confrontation, and just want to draw attention to themselves. I prefer talking baseball.

[Casimir]

I'm finding this recent slide much more bearable by increasingly disengaging from the board here. Hopefully I can re-engage in a couple weeks before our playoff run.

You know what? That's probably a good idea, sad but true.

[DaYooperASBDT]

And since everyone with 4,000 posts or more is a know-it-all that attacks all new-comers, let's suspend all those posters for the rest of the season. Yep, including myself. I've been here for over a year now and have become totally brainwashed.

:wink:

[GartenSpartan]

I think the whole point is, don't worry about things that MAY or MAY NOT HAPPEN. If they don't make the playoffs, then complain all you want about them blowing it. Until then, they are in first place and you have to assume they will make it until proven wrong.

I pretty much had that mindset before this weekend...I mean they have been playing poorly for awhile, but now that are only 2 up in the division and 3.5 up in the Wild Card with 3 games left in Chicago, I will admit to being worried. I don't think that with the way that they have been playing for about 6 weeks now and with the way our lead has shrunk that I can assume they will make it in...

[Tyrus]

I view this season as the first great step toward a potential baseball dynasty. This team has added 50+ wins since 2003, and has a terrific young core of pitching, along with some great young OF's. And I still feel that Shelton, Inge, and Infante have a lot of good baseball in them.

If they fall short, despite the hot start, this season is still a success, and I have enjoyed it.



I agree that this year has been a pleasant surprise, and I'm not ready to cash my Tiger chips in yet. But I can totally sympathize with the posters who aren't exactly feeling in the best of moods lately.

This truly is disgusting to watch, and the team had better turn it around, and quickly, or else you can say good-bye to the playoffs.

And, if that happens, I'm going to be bummed out. I know they started the year out great, and that's something to take to the bank. But to have the team get so close to the Promised Land, only to fall apart at the end -- and, offensively, you can't call this anything other than a complete collapse -- has been very hard to take as a Tiger fan.

Sitting here after today's loss, I feel like there's a piece of rotten meat in my stomach. Lackluster performance after lackluster performance.

I'm not ready to jump ship, though. It's never over till it's over.

But I'm also not going to pretend this isn't a terrible thing to watch. It is. It really sucks.

[T.O. Tiger Fan]

I pretty much had that mindset before this weekend...I mean they have been playing poorly for awhile, but now that are only 2 up in the division and 3.5 up in the Wild Card with 3 games left in Chicago, I will admit to being worried. I don't think that with the way that they have been playing for about 6 weeks now and with the way our lead has shrunk that I can assume they will make it in...

I'm just as concerned as everyone else, but if you look at their schedules in the last 3 weeks, given a 3.5 game lead, I still would take the Tigers chances vs. the Sox chances. The Sox are under .500 since July 1st (30-34), it's not like it's the '05 Sox they are trying to hold off.

[Casimir]

I feel like there's a piece of rotten meat in my stomach.

How do you know what rotten meat in your stomach feels like? Have you eaten a bunch of rotten meat? That sounds foolish, I thought you were smarter than that.:grin:

[jessman1128]

I'll say goodbye to the playoffs when one of these two conditions are met:
1) The Tigers are eliminated from reaching the playoffs.
2) The Tigers lose a playoff series after first reaching the playoffs.

Since neither of those have happened yet, I cannot say goodbye to the playoffs.

[DaYooperASBDT]

How do you know what rotten meat in your stomach feels like? Have you eaten a bunch of rotten meat? That sounds foolish, I thought you were smarter than that.:grin:

But some towns only have Burger King ......

[Buddha]

Yep. I'm finding this recent slide much more bearable by increasingly disengaging from the board here. Hopefully I can re-engage in a couple weeks before our playoff run.

Personally, i find the unrelenting optimism in the face of overwhelming evidence to be more annoying than anything else.

But I'm kind of a pessimist.

[estrepe1]

Personally, i find the unrelenting optimism in the face of overwhelming evidence to be more annoying than anything else.

But I'm kind of a pessimist.

I find the argument between optimists and pessimists to be the most annoying thing.

There is plenty of reason to be pessimistic/negative right now. They have played like absolute crap of late and if that doesn't stop... and I mean stop this week. They are likely done.

[pyrotigers]

You see, I have no problem with many of the 'negative posters' it is the ones who make ridiculous and inaccurate claims, or who say that a game is over in the first inning when the score is 1-0 that drive most of us nuts.

It is perfectly understandable to be concerned, or to complain about the terrible hitting, but making a new thread everyday about how horrible Leyland is, or how this is the worst collapse of all time, or how this team sucks etc etc is not being negative. It's being a trolling annoyance.

How would the negative people feel if I made a new thread every day talking about how great the Tigers are and how we're going to win the division no problem?

[Ron Burgandy]

Personally, i find the unrelenting optimism in the face of overwhelming evidence to be more annoying than anything else.

But I'm kind of a pessimist.

I still think we will make the playoffs, but I don't think I'm unrelentingly optimistic. I'm just trying to focus on other things, rather than driving myself crazy worrying about the current slump. That's easier to do without reading the overly negative posts on here.

[Buddha]

I find the argument between optimists and pessimists to be the most annoying thing.

There is plenty of reason to be pessimistic/negative right now. They have played like absolute crap of late and if that doesn't stop... and I mean stop this week. They are likely done.

I agree. They've got to be up more than 3 games when they play the Sox.

Fortunately for the Tigers, the Sox have been playing like garbage too. But their line-up is a lot better than ours, they have more room for error.

[pyrotigers]

I agree. They've got to be up more than 3 games when they play the Sox.

Fortunately for the Tigers, the Sox have been playing like garbage too. But their line-up is a lot better than ours, they have more room for error.

Alternately, their pitching is alot worse than ours, so they have less room for error.

:wink:

[estrepe1]

I agree. They've got to be up more than 3 games when they play the Sox.

Fortunately for the Tigers, the Sox have been playing like garbage too. But their line-up is a lot better than ours, they have more room for error.

I think their pitching is worse though... This week is huge for the Sox too... going out West is never easy.

Either way the Tigers need to put a halt to the slump and beat the teams they are facing this week. There is no excuse not to be above .500 in this homestand.


BTW I don't consider myself optimistic or pessimistic. I am just keepin that middle ground.

[Buddha]

How would the negative people feel if I made a new thread every day talking about how great the Tigers are and how we're going to win the division no problem?

You mean like all the other threads created by posters like how we're still Cinderella! and how this season has been really great!

strepe is right, the back and forth is more annoying than anything else.

[Buddha]

Alternately, their pitching is alot worse than ours, so they have less room for error.

:wink:

But their pitching is better than our hitting.

[estrepe1]

But their pitching is better than our hitting.

This is true. Even when they are hitting at their career averages the Tigers have the worst offense among the contenders. But they have the best pitching....

[dreg2003]

The trick is you have to look at the bright side of both situations.

They make the playoffs and all of my dreams come true, I get to follow my favorite team of all time make the post season for the first time in my life.

If they dont, than I get my 25 hundred dollars back.

its a win win

[Buddha]

I think their pitching is worse though... This week is huge for the Sox too... going out West is never easy.

Either way the Tigers need to put a halt to the slump and beat the teams they are facing this week. There is no excuse not to be above .500 in this homestand.


BTW I don't consider myself optimistic or pessimistic. I am just keepin that middle ground.

I think our starters are better but their bullpen is just as good, if not better than ours.

And, as you and i have both said, their lineup is worlds better than ours. It's not even close.

[kdog]

I'm with Burgundy. I know the team is struggling. I don't need to see 300 definitive pronouncments how "done" they are. If they win 90+ games and don't make the playoffs, I won't be that upset. The competition from the other 2 teams in our division is tough and losing to them isn't a big deal.

[estrepe1]

I think our starters are better but their bullpen is just as good, if not better than ours.

And, as you and i have both said, their lineup is worlds better than ours. It's not even close.

Agreed.

One final note all season the Tigers have made their lead by beating the teams they are supposed to beat. They don't really match up well with any of the contenders due to their lack of offense. But this last stretch of the season they really only face one more contender. If they follow the formula that even got them close to here they will be fine.

But the way they are playing I wouldn't bet on them against anyone.

[Al de Blanc]

The hard part is that we are not used to the Tigers being in the thick of things and have been holding our collective breath all year waiting for the rug to be pulled out from under us. We keep looking for signal games- a good game from Rogers showing he is out of his slump, Dmeat to come back from the minors blasting the ball, etc. and we get both good and bad signal games tantilizing us even more. This week game 1 against the Twinkies had me thinking they had turned the corner and the ship was upright again. Halfway thru Twinkie game 2 the score was 4-2 and I felt better yet. Then the wheels came off and now it looks like game 2 could have been the pivotal game we will cry about later. The point is that we want it so bad that we have no patience (sounds like puppy love), but that is the beauty of a pennant race- you are supposed to be nervous as it goes down to the wire. We just forgot the joy of this kind of agony. Post away folks, both good and bad. Without the total perspective we will be cheated out of the full experience.

[pyrotigers]

Chicago's bullpen is better on paper than ours, but they have sucked for the last 3 weeks, and are a bit part of their problems.

[tiger337]

Estrepe's unrelenting realism is making him an MVP candidate.

[Biff Mayhem]

I'm not really concerned yet.

[Buddha]

I'm not really concerned yet.

why not?

[DaYooperASBDT]

I'll say I'm concerned, but hopeful. Tigers do have a favorable schedule, especially that batch of games against KC. I would be very surprised if they don't get at least the wild card at that point.

Estrepe for MVP? That dork ??? :cheeky:

[IdahoBert]

Agreed.

One final note all season the Tigers have made their lead by beating the teams they are supposed to beat. They don't really match up well with any of the contenders due to their lack of offense. But this last stretch of the season they really only face one more contender. If they follow the formula that even got them close to here they will be fine.

But the way they are playing I wouldn't bet on them against anyone.Very astute observation. My mind tells me they can still make it to the playoffs but my heart is wavering. These previous 30 games seem too much like last year's collapse for comfort. It just seems hard to believe that the same team that was once 40 games over .500 is now struggling so badly.

[estrepe1]

Very astute observation. My mind tells me they can still make it to the playoffs but my heart is wavering. These previous 30 games seem too much like last year's collapse for comfort. It just seems hard to believe that the same team that was once 40 games over .500 is now
struggling so badly.

No doubt. I don't have a ton of faith left in them being able to hold on. They have had such a bad offensive stretch it is tough see them actually bouncing back from it but if this week can't do that for them nothing will.

Really they need one good series. I thought they would need just one good game but in reality they need one good series. Until they win a series I am not going to believe they are back. The first games of the Angels, Mariners, and Twins series were just a big tease.

[DaYooperASBDT]

Not to make excuses, but they did have a tough schedule over the past month. Hopefully as Estrepe said, they can get some wins against the "weaker" teams.

[pyrotigers]

They actually had a good offensive showing in game 2 of the Twins series as well ;)

[Corky]

How do you know what rotten meat in your stomach feels like? Have you eaten a bunch of rotten meat? That sounds foolish, I thought you were smarter than that.:grin:

I know. Let me tell ya about my wife's cooking . . .

[estrepe1]

Not to make excuses, but they did have a tough schedule over the past month. Hopefully as Estrepe said, they can get some wins against the "weaker" teams.

They didn't taken advantage when they were facing a weaker team in Seattle though. That series really was one they should have won facing a team that bad on the road.

If they get in all you will hear about is that they haven't beat the top competition consistently. But thats alright at least they would be in. It is a very big deal to make it to the postseason in baseball. The list of teams that actually gets in is so small.

As a society we have gotten used to the NHL/NBA/NFL type playoffs where half the teams from each conference make it, when those teams get in it is not quite a special. When a baseball team gets in that is a real testament to how good that team really was.

I hope the Tigers find their hitting again against Texas and Baltimore. If they get even an average showing from their offense of around 5 runs a game over that stretch I think they can win at least 3 of the 5 games.

[pyrotigers]

If you look at the press pass, we have a ridiculous record when scoring 5 or more runs in a game, it's something like 60-12...if we can do that I would expect 4 or even 5 wins.

[FloridaTigers]

Actually there are 3 problems -- the same points I've made for a month
1. Can't hit and have no plate discipline
2. Make too many critical errors in the field and baserunning
3. Jim Leyland has not been a good manager the last 5 weeks by any stretch of anyone's imagination.

Even today with giving up 8 runs, our pitching has been solid and is first overall in the MLB, and second in the MLB for the last month.

I've never been a huge Jim Leyland fan. I wasn't excited when he came on, and I think this season was been due to players having a breakout season. Jimmy is a great motivator, I'll give you that, but theres a reason he's a career .500 manager, right?

[pyrotigers]

Yes, it's because he's coached alot of bad teams.

[DaYooperASBDT]

All managers are either over-rated or under-rated, IMHO.

[FloridaTigers]

Yes, it's because he's coached alot of bad teams.

He had the 1997 Marlins, and the Pirates of the early 90s. He couldn't help but deal with 1998, but many other years he was just an average manager.

[estrepe1]

I've never been a huge Jim Leyland fan. I wasn't excited when he came on, and I think this season was been due to players having a breakout season. Jimmy is a great motivator, I'll give you that, but theres a reason he's a career .500 manager, right?

Managing has a lot to do with the talent that you have. When Jim Leyland has had a talented ball club he has done well.... Just like any other manager. Take Joe Torre for an example.

Did you know that Joe Torre's career record as a manager when he came to the Yankees was 894-1003? That is good for 0.471... well under .500.... Leyland has that beat with a 1069-1131 record that is good for .486...

Did you expect the Tigers to be a good club this year? Since the answer is likely no then wouldn't that in turn mean Leyland has done a good job?

He has been a pretty good manager. I don't like some of his moves but overall I don't think he is the problem causing the tough stretch. There is a reason that he will likely win his second manager of the year award.


He had the 1997 Marlins, and the Pirates of the early 90s. He couldn't help but deal with 1998, but many other years he was just an average manager.

Was he an average manager or was he a manager of an average team?

All managers are either over-rated or under-rated, IMHO.

The winning managers typically are over-rated. The losing ones under-rated. They get too much blame and at the same time too much credit.

I think that the GM is way more important in baseball than the manager.

[beek_27]

I love division races and the post season push, especially with my team, the Detroit Tigers, fighting for both. This is something I have not know as a Tigers fan and it is fun!

With that said, we just need to take care of business, one pitch, one swing, one game, one series at a time. We still control our own destiny being in first place and that is a great position to be in this late in the season. What a year we have had and I'm looking forward to seeing how it plays out, no matter what happens.

[Biff Mayhem]

why not?


Let me rephrase that, I'm not worried. I'm concerned about the hitting but until they lose the division lead I am not worried. Maybe the kool-aid tastes too good but I'm not panicking yet.

[Tyrus]

How do you know what rotten meat in your stomach feels like? Have you eaten a bunch of rotten meat? That sounds foolish, I thought you were smarter than that.:grin:


I'll tell you exactly what a piece of rotten meat tastes like: Jerry Hairston, circa 1983.

[A.J.K.]

Is anyone else more put off by all of this drama than the actual games?


No, I'm definitely more put off by the games. This drama is easier to ignore.

[tiger337]

All managers are either over-rated or under-rated, IMHO.

yes they are. It's mostly about the players.

[tiger337]

No, I'm definitely more put off by the games. This drama is easier to ignore.

The way some people respond the games is more annoying than the poorly played games for me. So I try to stay away from the board during the games and read the drama later.

[Oblong]

I wish I could but I have to when I'm free. The game threads have made moderating a pain. Hopefully those people who read this get a guilty conscience.

For the most part the users here have made our job easy over the years. Th past 2 or 3 weeks have changed that.

[A.J.K.]

The way some people respond the games is more annoying than the poorly played games for me. So I try to stay away from the board during the games and read the drama later.



I don't even read the game threads most of the time anymore... it's usually just a bunch of reactionary drama and people going "Pudge!!!!" or "Monroe! yesssss!" or whatever.

Sometimes there are good posts, but they're becoming more and more like the proverbial needle.

[sabretooth]

Is anyone else more put off by all of this drama than the actual games?

No, I'm way, way, way, way (extended dance version) more put off by the actual games for the last month. I'm extremely sore at the offense, I can't believe how badly the team is hitting.

Why Maggs, Pudge, Thames and Casey had to suddenly go all Carlos Pena-in-May on us is beyond my comprehension. Seems like Maggs and Pudge are hitting a little better right now, but without some power-hitting, we won't exceed 3.5 runs/game, and even our superb pitching cannot keep pace with that kind of pathetic offense.

Our pitching HAS been suberb for the whole season. I could not be prouder of our bullpen, and of Rogers, Verlander and Roberston. They have all been awesome. Bondo has been a disappointment, but don't write him off yet this year. He's too talented to be written off at any point.

Plus, for all of JL's mistakes (Perez, benching Shelton too long), his handling of the pitching staff and bullpen in particular has been incredible. We wouldn't even be competitive if our bullpen was anything like it's been for the last 13 years under other managers. Some of that is talent (Zumaya), but a lot of that is handling, I think (Grilli, Walker, Rodney, Jones, etc.).

[sabretooth]

Let me rephrase that, I'm not worried. I'm concerned about the hitting but until they lose the division lead I am not worried. Maybe the kool-aid tastes too good but I'm not panicking yet.

I'm not panicking but I am depressed right now. I need a boost from this team.

[Tyrus]

I wish I could but I have to when I'm free. The game threads have made moderating a pain. Hopefully those people who read this get a guilty conscience.

For the most part the users here have made our job easy over the years. Th past 2 or 3 weeks have changed that.


Just curious, Oblong -- what are you referring to? Have folks been violating the rules during the game threads?

[Oblong]

We've seen continuous examples of people evading the censors, we've seen excessive use of bad language in general, which gets filtered, but it's still a problem. It's never been an issue with us until now. What we start to see are posts filled with nothing but asterisks.

Then people will start threads on every individual thought they get.

You can read my sticky thread above.

People have just started acting stupid.

[TigersSlappy]

The bottom line is perspective which the band wagon jumpers lack. This winter and spring if ANY of us would have been told that the Tigers would be sitting on September 11th with a 2 game division lead and a 97% chance to make the playoffs we would have been ecstatic. And that folks is where we're at. This season has nothing yet on 1987 for nerves and excitement, get me to the final weekend and maybe we'll get close.

[DaYooperASBDT]

People have just started acting stupid.

I'm starting to blend in well !! :lick:

[DaYooperASBDT]

The bottom line is perspective which the band wagon jumpers lack. This winter and spring if ANY of us would have been told that the Tigers would be sitting on September 11th with a 2 game division lead and a 97% chance to make the playoffs we would have been ecstatic. And that folks is where we're at. This season has nothing yet on 1987 for nerves and excitement, get me to the final weekend and maybe we'll get close.

Never buy high then sell low, as the stockbrokers say.

[DaYooperASBDT]

I'll tell you exactly what a piece of rotten meat tastes like: Jerry Hairston, circa 1983.

Damn him. Milt had retired 26 straight before that little so-and-so ruined my day !!!!! :dead: :dead: :dead:

[syrett4]

Co-sign.

Actually, if the people that believe that the playoffs are gone and the Tiger season will end on Oct 1 could just leave the forum, that'd be great, thanks.

I am really getting sick of this mentality. Nobody believes the Tigers are actually out of the playoffs yet. EVERYONE THAT BOTHERS to post on this forum does so because they love the Detroit Tigers. Just because they are concerned that they have seen a 10 game lead shrink to 2 with three weeks left in the season doesn't make them a "negative poster". I would argue that the ones that are "negative" are more concerned about how this team is playing than the "don't worry, be happy" posters.

I have loved the Tigers since I was a kid, I remember my first Tiger game in 1974. I was 6. The last 15 years have been brutal. NOBODY expected this team to be this good this year. HOWEVER, when they were 10 games up in August, not only did my expectations of this team switch from "fun season" to a World Series contender, I expected them to play at that higher level, only because that is where they have to be if they are going to win the World Series.

I don't want this team to settle/back door into a wild-card, I want a World Series Champion, and if the fact that I am worried that they are throwing it all away makes me a negative fan then I guess I'll just go away.

I don't understand why this board no longer tolerates different points of views without someone else going on personal attacks/rants. Remember we ALL love the Tigers. You don't love them more because you are all, "lets see if I cry on Oct 1st." To assume that you do makes you obnixous.

[mc_madness]

Everyone's just pissy because of this bad stretch of baseball. To me, the Tigers greatly exceeded my expectations this year. This collapse hasn't phased me at all. Make it or not, it's been an enjoyable year.

[JonBenke]

The Tigers simply can not hit and the pitching has fallen off and can no longer compensate for that fact.
You're a complete tool.

I love how you left when you had nothing to complain about, but ... now ... now you have something to "ACT LIKE A LITTLE GIRL" about!

:disappnt:

...it gets old.

[estrepe1]

Jon I think you need to read the post at the top of the board. They really frown on trying to duck the censor.

[JonBenke]

Jon I think you need to read the post at the top of the board. They really frown on trying to duck the censor.
Yeah, I'll fix it .. but his act is getting so old.

[Microline133]

but his act is getting so old.
Admittedly, so is the act of disdain every time someone you dislike posts something like this. Just ignore the threads, put them on ignore.....something...but posts of this general nature are not required on a routine basis.

[JonBenke]

No, Easy .. he was talking about...and to me. It's cool. I'll try and ignore them, but, yeah - whatever. It won't happen agian.

[Casimir]

Nobody believes the Tigers are actually out of the playoffs yet.

Yeah, well, you ain't read some of the posts lately.

[Domino]

I am really getting sick of this mentality. Nobody believes the Tigers are actually out of the playoffs yet. EVERYONE THAT BOTHERS to post on this forum does so because they love the Detroit Tigers. Just because they are concerned that they have seen a 10 game lead shrink to 2 with three weeks left in the season doesn't make them a "negative poster". I would argue that the ones that are "negative" are more concerned about how this team is playing than the "don't worry, be happy" posters.
...
I don't understand why this board no longer tolerates different points of views without someone else going on personal attacks/rants. Remember we ALL love the Tigers. You don't love them more because you are all, "lets see if I cry on Oct 1st." To assume that you do makes you obnixous.

You make absoultely excellent points, and I echo your thoughts.

However, regarding actually believeing we won't make the playoffs...here are the facts:
1. A couple weeks ago the Mets pass us up for best overall record.
2. This weekend the Yankees passed us up for best AL record
3. The Twins won big tonight and Liriano is back Wednesday, this means we are talking a 1.5 game lead as of right now (that's right, we are down to a 1.5 game lead!!!) with the Twins on fire, getting an outstanding pitcher back this week.
4. We are in the worst slump in the AL, second only to the Cubs in the entire MLB.

So yes, I beleive we are in MAJOR trouble because I see absolutely no signs of this train wreck ending soon. There is no more time for dilly-dallying we are talking a 1.5 game lead right now with the Twins on fire and us in the worst slump in the AL (all facts). Personally my feeling is if we don't break the slump THIS week we are definitely out as the AL Champ and our only hope is a wildcard IMHO and that the White Sox continue to suck as well.

[pyrotigers]

" am really getting sick of this mentality. Nobody believes the Tigers are actually out of the playoffs yet."

Then maybe they should stop making posts saying we are out of the playoffs.

[tiger337]

I am really getting sick of this mentality. Nobody believes the Tigers are actually out of the playoffs yet. EVERYONE THAT BOTHERS to post on this forum does so because they love the Detroit Tigers.

It's probably true that very few believe that they are actually out of the playoffs but many have stated that they are. When an anonymous poster says that he thinks the Tigers are done, people tend to believe he thinks they are done. It's not quite the same as real life when your friend (who you know loves the Tigers) says it out of frustration.

[holygoat]

I am really getting sick of this mentality. Nobody believes the Tigers are actually out of the playoffs yet.

The best part is you posted this in a thread titled "Say goodbye to the playoffs".

[billfer]

My issue with these threads is that there is nothing new being discussed. I think it goes without saying that if the Tigers continue to lose 2 out of every 3 games they'll find themselves home in September regardless of what the other teams do.

And yes, there is this belief that there is nothing to indicate the Tigers will snap out of it, and that's just kind of what happens when things are sucking. But what sort of indication did anyone have in April that the team would start out 76-36? And what sort of indication in early August did anyone have that the team would go 10-22?

But at the same time, the Tigers are still the ones being chased. They are still in a better position than the Twins or White Sox. They don't have to worry about what other teams do.

I certainly understand being frustrated with the way the team is playing, and I understand the need to vent. But kissing the playoffs good bye when the team is still leading the division (even if the lead is marginal), is nonsensical.

[DaYooperASBDT]

My issue with these threads is that there is nothing new being discussed.

I certainly understand being frustrated with the way the team is playing, and I understand the need to vent. But kissing the playoffs good bye when the team is still leading the division (even if the lead is marginal), is nonsensical.

Bingo. And bingo. Some posters here anymore just like to hear the sound of their virtual voice. It's like being a freaking bartender!

/rant off

[tiger337]

And yes, there is this belief that there is nothing to indicate the Tigers will snap out of it, and that's just kind of what happens when things are sucking. But what sort of indication did anyone have in April that the team would start out 76-36? And what sort of indication in early August did anyone have that the team would go 10-22?



Exactly. As Joaquin Andujar would say: yaneverknow

[Oblong]

I have a belief/hope that the offensewill straighten out. I think baseball is a game with equilibrium. The offense has been brutal for some guys so they'll get hot to even out to their averages.

We owned MN all year until this last series. My only fear is that we've also owned KC. Maybe by the time we play them they will be playing AAA guys.

[tiger337]

I have a belief/hope that the offensewill straighten out. I think baseball is a game with equilibrium. The offense has been brutal for some guys so they'll get hot to even out to their averages.



I don't think things necessarily even out but I also don't think their poor offense of the past month is an indicator that their offense will continue to be poor for the rest of the year. I don't know if they'll snap out of it but I think it's easier for a team to snap out of a slump than people think. They suddenly fell into this slump. They can suddenly come out of it. If teams were incapable of snapping out of prolonged slumps, the Twins would be 25 games behind.

[soxfnnlansing]

If I were a Tiger fan, I'd feel a little better about them tanking a bunch of games right NOW STILL WITH THE LEAD IN THE DIVISION, than if they won the division by 10 games and tanked in the 1st round. Baseball is a funny sport. I watched the Sox play 500 ball the last month of the season and turned it on the last 2 regular season series (@Det and @cle). They went 11-1 in the playoffs to win it all.

I say that the Tigers will probably reel off another 5/6 game winning streak and that will be the spring board they might need. Remember, baseball is a funny sport.

[FloridaTigers]

It's probably true that very few believe that they are actually out of the playoffs but many have stated that they are. When an anonymous poster says that he thinks the Tigers are done, people tend to believe he thinks they are done. It's not quite the same as real life when your friend (who you know loves the Tigers) says it out of frustration.

I've done it many times this month out of frusteration. I'll be the first to admit it. I said it two days ago, I believe threw out the "F" word, and said something along the lines of "This time is pathetic, we're done". Of course, I don't believe that, but its all part of a nervous pennant race reaction. :beard:

[Casimir]

I've done it many times this month out of frusteration. I'll be the first to admit it. I said it two days ago, I believe threw out the "F" word, and said something along the lines of "This time is pathetic, we're done". Of course, I don't believe that, but its all part of a nervous pennant race reaction. :beard:

Gotta keep your cool. You know that baseball has a lot of highs and lows. You're young enough that this is definitely the highest that you've ever seen the team. Enjoy it. Its a belabored point, but if at the beginning of the season you were promised a pennant race featuring the Tigers in September you'd have taken it without asking for details. Enjoy it.

[DaYooperASBDT]

Update 9/12 10:12 PM: I'm still having fun. Anybody else? :wink:

[Yoda]

Update 9/12 10:12 PM: I'm still having fun. Anybody else? :wink:

I know one person who isn't...

[Casimir]

Mmmmm.... say hello to the playoffs instead?

[Yoda]

Gee, where did TR go?

[Casimir]

Gee, where did TR go?

Dunno. Just glad the nonsensical sky is falling crap has gone by the wayside. The slump was bad enough, but the reaction by some in the forum just multiplied it 4fold.

[Yoda]

Don't assume its over yet.

[Casimir]

Don't assume its over yet.

Ugh,.. you're probably right.:dead:

[estrepe1]

I think I am one of the few that likes Tigersrok from what I can tell from you two.

Either way I don't think the playoffs are a foregone conclusion yet. But at this point its going to take quite a stumble to miss it.

[Casimir]

I think I am one of the few that likes Tigersrok from what I can tell from you two.

Either way I don't think the playoffs are a foregone conclusion yet. But at this point its going to take quite a stumble to miss it.

I don't dislike Tigersrok. I just find it amusing how not that long ago, there was quite a bit of foolish dismay suggesting the Tigers were pretty much not going to make the playoffs, and now that the team has righted the ship as of late, that chatter has gone away.

[FloridaTigers]

I think I am one of the few that likes Tigersrok from what I can tell from you two.

Either way I don't think the playoffs are a foregone conclusion yet. But at this point its going to take quite a stumble to miss it.

Thats not far-fetched.

[DaYooperASBDT]

It's hard not to note how certain guys emerge from the woodwork as soon as the Tigers trail in a ballgame. And I suppose I tend to post less when the boys are losing, and more when they are winning. So it does work both ways to some extent.

[tiger337]

I don't mind TRok. Although I think he's too negative, he knows a lot about the game and he's a good contributor to our discussions when he's not in one of his agitated states. He doesn't say negative stuff to sound smart or to draw attention to himself. He just gets really frustrated.

[pyrotigers]

I don't mind TRok. Although I think he's too negative, he knows a lot about the game and he's a good contributor to our discussions when he's not in one of his agitated states. He really wants the Tigers to win. He doesn't say negative stuff to sound smart or to draw attention to himself. He just gets really frustrated.

I agree, unlike some people who may or may not have been released, he actually seems happy when the Tigers do well.

[estrepe1]

Thats not far-fetched.

Do you realize how bad the Tigers would have to play to even be tied with the White Sox? After today the Tigers are 5 games up with 11 games to go. If the Tigers go 3-8 the White Sox need to go 8-3 to TIE them. To put it out of reach all the Tigers need to do is play 6-5 with 11 games left. If they do that the White Sox would need to go 11-0.

Sometimes I think you are negative just for the sake of being negative.

[Domino]

Do you realize how bad the Tigers would have to play to even be tied with the White Sox? After today the Tigers are 5 games up with 11 games to go. If the Tigers go 3-8 the White Sox need to go 8-3 to TIE them. To put it out of reach all the Tigers need to do is play 6-5 with 11 games left. If they do that the White Sox would need to go 11-0.


Yep that's correct. Basically the Sox would have to get insanely hot and the Tigers would have to play sub .500 ball the rest of the way for us to miss out. Very slim.

However it's still going to leave a bad taste in my mouth going in as the wildcard when we dominated this division all season long and backed into the playoffs because we can't finish it at the end - and because the Sox sucked as well!

[JonBenke]

Do you realize how bad the Tigers would have to play to even be tied with the White Sox? After today the Tigers are 5 games up with 11 games to go. If the Tigers go 3-8 the White Sox need to go 8-3 to TIE them. To put it out of reach all the Tigers need to do is play 6-5 with 11 games left. If they do that the White Sox would need to go 11-0.
Yeah, and keep in mind .. as I know you know, easy -- we have way too many games against the Royals, who people say are not the same team, but some teams just have other teams number, and our team is the Royals. If we hold onto the division, plus, but we're going to the playoffs -- it's fact!!

[billfer]

However it's still going to leave a bad taste in my mouth going in as the wildcard when we dominated this division all season long and backed into the playoffs because we can't finish it at the end - and because the Sox sucked as well!

I don't understand this talk of backing into the playoffs. It's a 162 game season, whether you survive it or dominate it, if you're getting in you deserve to be there.

And if the Sox deserved to be there, they would win more games. It's not like they have been hurt by injuries. They just haven't taken care of their own business.

[Ingefanclub]

I don't understand this talk of backing into the playoffs. It's a 162 game season, whether you survive it or dominate it, if you're getting in you deserve to be there.

And if the Sox deserved to be there, they would win more games. It's not like they have been hurt by injuries. They just haven't taken care of their own business.

If the Tigers play .400 ball the rest of the way but still make the playoffs and open at New York there is a very good chance they go down 3 games to none...If they are lucky they will bow out 3 - 1 which would still be very bitter.

[Yoda]

Once you get into the plaoffs, how you got there is irrelevent. Haven't you been following the playoffs for the last 5 or 6 years? Convincing yourself that the Tigers are going to preform based on how they got there is dumb. It has nothing to do with it.

[billfer]

If the Tigers play .400 ball the rest of the way but still make the playoffs and open at New York there is a very good chance they go down 3 games to none...If they are lucky they will bow out 3 - 1 which would still be very bitter.

But don't they also stand a good chance to split the first 2 games before heading home? Yes, I like their chances better if they aren't heading to New York, but I'm not going to call it a foregone conclusion that they'll be lucky to win a game.

And even if they get to wait until the 2nd round to face the Yankees, they'd still stand a very good chance (using your words) to get beat by the Yankees. Is losing the in the ALDS really that different than losing the ALCS? And if you think that the Tigers are that inferior to the Yankees, wouldn't you rather face them in a shorter series where an inferior team has a better chance at knocking of a superior team?

And I know I don't speak for everyone, but I am more than willing to take first round of the playoff elimination bitterness over anything that has happened since 1987.

[DaYooperASBDT]

I agree, unlike some people who may or may not have been released, he actually seems happy when the Tigers do well.

Very subtle. I know exactly who you were referring to when you said "or may not have been released" (yet) ... :wink:

[JonBenke]

They can't beat their main competition for the playoffs.
...anyone seen T'Rok ?

Taking 2/3 from Chicago, in Chicago .. does that impress you ?

[Oblong]

he's in mourning over Chicago's fate.

[Yoda]

Taking 2/3 from Chicago, in Chicago .. does that impress you ?

"No, Chicago handed that to them"

How was that?

[pfife]

good morning playoffs, how are you? :classic:

[estrepe1]

Thats not far-fetched.

Seems even more far-fetched now.

"No, Chicago handed that to them"

How was that?

Thats not all that fair to Tigersrok. He isn't the one of these people we see here that only say bad things about the Tigers even though they are "fans." He actually enjoys when good things happen.

He is just a overly passionate.

[Yoda]

Thats not all that fair to Tigersrok. He isn't the one of these people we see here that only say bad things about the Tigers even though they are "fans." He actually enjoys when good things happen.

He is just a overly passionate.

Of course. He gets excited when they win. But to say that he doesn't blame a Tigers win on the other team is incorrect. He did it several times earlier in the season. And he does say things like that just to annoy people. He has a long history of this.

I like TR at times, but he can be a bit of a troll at times as well.

[estrepe1]

Of course. He gets excited when they win. But to say that he doesn't blame a Tigers win on the other team is incorrect. He did it several times earlier in the season. And he does say things like that just to annoy people. He has a long history of this.

I like TR at times, but he can be a bit of a troll at times as well.

Thats not what I am arguing. I am arguing that when good things happen certain posters still act like the sky is falling. Trok actually enjoys the good things.

He just says a lot of negative stuff about the team when they are going bad. I think he understands the game which is more than I can say for most of the posters that people seem to dislike.

[Tyrus]

I can totally understand when people come here to vent their frustrations, and during the Tigers' slide in August, there were a lot of frustrations to vent!

My problem is with those who only show up here to post negative things. Why be a Tiger fan if you're only going to pay attention to the negative stuff?

I mean, look at me: I haven't posted how much I hate Mike Ilitch in ages! :happy:

[JonBenke]

He just says a lot of negative stuff about the team when they are going bad.
Which is Granderson striking out four times, while leaving four guys on base in a 10-2 game .. we are winning. It just got old, well, to me anyway.

I know you like him, Easy, and you're one of my favorite posters here - BY FAR, but that's just the way he rubs some people. It's cool, though - now.

:knocked:

It's all in good fun, though, for the most part.

[estrepe1]

I am just saying he is better than some of the negative posters that have come and gone.

I think he really wants the Tigers to succeed.

[zachcadillac]

Thats not what I am arguing. I am arguing that when good things happen certain posters still act like the sky is falling. Trok actually enjoys the good things.


Yeah, I agree with this. TR's schtick can be tiresome, but he does seem genuinely thrilled when the team performs consistently well. That's in sharp contrast to some people who aren't happy unless they're miserable.

[RobSk]

Zach,

Agreed. I cut TRok a ton of slack for that exact reason. He has not entered the Drew Sharp zone of "fan"dom.

Rob

[Casimir]

I haven't posted how much I hate Mike Ilitch in ages! :happy:

Neither have I. But I think we just got tired of beating a dead horse.

[DaYooperASBDT]

As long as he doesn't read Rob Parker, TR gets a free pass from me for life !! :cheeky:

[DetroitTigerEv1991]

Actually Minnesote is 0.5 games beind and the Tigers are doing fine:
They just need to work on thier hitting.

[Zakk_Wylde]

FWIW I've never minded TRok. He is usually negative, but his negativity is usually backed up by facts, and is justified in most cases, unlike a certain other former poster. And of course he always enjoyed the good times like the rest of us.

As for the question of "where is TRok"? I beleive a few months ago I think he mentioned in a post that he'd moved away somewhere. Maybe he's lost interest in Detroit area sports in favour of wherever he's moved to, or maybe he just doesn't currently have access to a computer.

Since I currently have nothing better to do at the moment, I think I'll browse through his posting history for clues as to his whereabouts.

[ErieTigerFan]

I believe that with the Twinnies and (more importantly) Santana's falling apart last night that the Tigers magic number for the playoffs is now 4.

Lookin' pretty good to me, although I would prefer us winning the division AND posting the best record for home field advantage. Need to keep on eye on the Yankers while we take care of our own business.

Otherwise, my "favorite" teams the next week will be the Orioles and (ulp!) The Wipe Sox. Acchh! Never thought I could say that.

HE GONE!!! (nice, Yoda...)

[DaYooperASBDT]

Update: 9/22/06 7:59 PM - I am still having fun.

[Yoda]

I'm still thuroughly enjoying this baseball season.

I will say goodbye to the playoffs. But not for another couple weeks, at least.

[Casimir]

I'm still thuroughly enjoying this baseball season.

I will say goodbye to the playoffs. But not for another couple weeks, at least.

Co-sign.

[estrepe1]

3 outs and you can say HELLO! to the playoffs!!!

[DaYooperASBDT]

Say goodbye to this dumb-butt thread !!!!!!!!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[JonBenke]

3 outs and you can say HELLO! to the playoffs!!!
WHAT A YEAR!

[monkeytargets37]

The Tigers simply can not hit and the pitching has fallen off and can no longer compensate for that fact.

Minnesota is only 2 games behind now, with Chicago also closing in. Even the nearness to the end of the season will not save the Tigers from this historic collapse. The first 4 months of the season were a pleasant surprise, but the same old Tigers have reappeared with another late season collapse. They have major holes that are showing. And moreso are choking majorly.

They can't beat their main competition for the playoffs. They can't even win series from non-contenders like the Angels and Mariners. What a disgusting collapse.



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[Yoda]

Well said, Monkey.

[JAYB]

blah blah blah....

[JonBenke]

Anyone want to guess the over/under on if T'Rok will ever post in here again ?

[sabretooth]

Anyone want to guess the over/under on if T'Rok will ever post in here again ?

Chances that TRok will still whine a lot if he does return: 100%

[tigersrok]

Well I'm glad my prediction did not come true. This was posted at the true lowpoint of the season when it seems they could not buy a win. I'm glad they pulled it together the past 10 games to clinch a playoff berth and I hope they can hold on for the division.

Now, your personal attacks are totally unwarranted. I don't like specific posters on this board but I NEVER throw attacks around. I'm getting a little tired of the fact that the same courtesy is not shown to me. I should be allowed to post my opinions on the board without fear of personal attacks. We're all big fans of the Tigers on here and attacking eachother accomplishes nothing. JonBenke especially needs to get over his hatred and need to demean and attack other posters who he doesn't agree with.

[Yoda]

Chances that TRok will still whine a lot if he does return: 100%

Score. That didn't take long.

[JonBenke]

JonBenke especially needs to get over his hatred and need to demean and attack other posters who he doesn't agree with.
:silly:

Welcome back, buddy - no hard feelings - lol.

[Oblong]

Ok, since we made the playoffs and everybody's said their peace or piece, I'll close this thread up. It can only go downhill from here.