Tigers Should not let this happen!!!! Get Him First [Archive]

Jonesy

12-08-2005, 09:07 AM

Arms for Blalock?
Dec 8 - The Twins spent parts of Tuesday and Wednesday talking with the Rangers about a deal for third baseman Hank Blalock, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports.
The Twins likely would give up pitching, possibly left-handed reliever J.C. Romero. The newspaper also dangles right-hander Scott Baker's name as possible trade bait, but says the team would like to keep starter Kyle Lohse. The deal could be expanded to include Kevin Mench.

Canon Fodder

12-08-2005, 09:09 AM

25 year old lefty to play 3B? A respectable +.270 BA? Seems like a nice fit for the Tigers. It would be much better the have him on the roster than to face him 19 times a season.

snoogit

12-08-2005, 09:11 AM

I dont know how romero compares to the lefties on our team, but it might be worth looking into moving one of them, and maybe even a guy like brandon inge, who can play 3rd to sweeten the deal.

Ron Burgandy

12-08-2005, 09:13 AM

Seems to be that Inge, Maroth or Robertson, and Tata would be a better package for Texas than what the Twins are offering...and with the Rogers signing we can afford to move Maroth or Robertson.

Jonesy

12-08-2005, 09:16 AM

I was Thinking Verlander, Inge, and either Robertson/Walker
For Blalock

Alex

12-08-2005, 09:20 AM

Seems to be that Inge, Maroth or Robertson, and Tata would be a better package for Texas than what the Twins are offering...and with the Rogers signing we can afford to move Maroth or Robertson.

I would agree with this statement

zimm

12-08-2005, 09:20 AM

Partyplayerjay

12-08-2005, 09:23 AM

I was Thinking Verlander, Inge, and either Robertson/Walker
For Blalock
hell no, that is way to much to give up for blalock. Now i'm not saying blalock isn't a good 3rd basemen cuz he is but his stats wouldn't be as good in comerica park. His stats are pretty good right now but he is also playing in a hitters park. i would think about the trade if it were Inge, Robertson/Walker and tata but no way in hell do u give up verlander in a trade for him

Yoda

12-08-2005, 09:23 AM

I agree that Verlander is crazy talk... but He's a darn good defender and Comericas gaps could help him.

Tigercub33

12-08-2005, 09:24 AM

Arms for Blalock?
Dec 8 - The Twins spent parts of Tuesday and Wednesday talking with the Rangers about a deal for third baseman Hank Blalock, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports.
The Twins likely would give up pitching, possibly left-handed reliever J.C. Romero...........

Intersting how this story was posted in another thread over a week ago and nobody mentioned it..........

Yoda

12-08-2005, 09:25 AM

Well.. for what its worth, he has a career .563 OPS at Comerica.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/6871/career_by_all_batting_splits.html

Tigercub33

12-08-2005, 09:25 AM

I was Thinking Verlander, Inge, and either Robertson/Walker
For Blalock

And why exactly would this be smart when The Twins are only offering JC Romero as the centerpiece to thsi trade? Holy crap, talk about overpaying.........

Ron Burgandy

12-08-2005, 09:27 AM

Well.. for what its worth, he has a career .563 OPS at Comerica.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/6871/career_by_all_batting_splits.html

But he wouldn't have to face the Tigers' pitching staff anymore...

Buddha

12-08-2005, 09:29 AM

I was Thinking Verlander, Inge, and either Robertson/Walker
For Blalock

Oh my God. Who are you? John Hart?

I would have a problem trading Verlander for most major league third basemen, much less one coming off the season Blalock just had.

thewave84

12-08-2005, 09:33 AM

Surely Blalock's numbers would come up from his career numbers "outside of Arlington" if he had a new team. The guy is still pretty young and had a good minor league career. He is a better 3B than anything the Tigers have. I wouldn't want to include Verlander but how about Maroth + Robertson + Tata?

zimm

12-08-2005, 09:33 AM

I agree that Verlander is crazy talk... but He's a darn good defender and Comericas gaps could help him.

i'm not inclined to think that. (sample size wanring!!!) in 44 career ab's in Comerica he posted the following line:

BA: .205
OBP: .245
SLG: .318
OPS: .563

In comparable AL parks, he's posted the following OPS lifetime:

Oakland: .650
Seattle: .835
Yankee Stadium: .513

he's really a dead pull hitter, so i dont think big gaps would help unless he were to reinvent himself as a hitter.

Cameron

12-08-2005, 09:35 AM

I'm not worried about his OPS against lefties, since we apparently plan to employ 10% of all lefty starters in the league on our team.

Ron Burgandy

12-08-2005, 09:35 AM

Wow, he's had a full 44 career ABs in Comerica.

Blalock is one of the best young 3B in baseball, would help balance out our righty-lefty lineup problems, and we'd be buying low after a subpar year.

This would be a no brainer. Unfortunately, there is no indication we are in on this.

Greenwit

12-08-2005, 09:40 AM

remind me again why we would want blalock

career OPS vs RHP: .880
career OPS vs LHP: .624

career Home OPS: .927
career road OPS: .692

2005 OPS vs RHP: .817
2005 OPS vs LHP: .583

2005 Home OPS: .895
2005 Road OPS: .611

he's horrible against lefties and can't hit outside of the launching pad at arlington. furthermore, his 2005 numbers were regressions against his career numbers, so it can't be said that he's improving in his problem areas as he ages.

and it's being suggested that we give up Verlander for him!?! crazytalk...

I live in the Dallas area and Blalock is developing a reputation locally for being a below average ML hitter when you consider where he plays. He hits .230 away from the Launching Pad.....just think how well he'd do in Comerica. His BA, slugging AVG, OBP have dived since 2003 and he strikes out too much. Now that it looks like we grossly overpaid for Rogers, if we end up with Blalock for anything in the vicinity of Zum/Verlander/Shelton, etc., DD will begin to look more and more like Smith and the nonsense we had to go through for years.

Yoda

12-08-2005, 09:42 AM

He hits .230 away from the Launching Pad.....just think how well he'd do in Comerica.

Biggest misconception ever. Comerica is a good hitters park.

zimm

12-08-2005, 09:47 AM

Surely Blalock's numbers would come up from his career numbers "outside of Arlington" if he had a new team.

why would his numbers in stadiums other that the ballpark at arlington increase if he were to call a new park home? he's had 252 career games and 1003 ab's to prove that he's cabable of putting up a career sub .700 OPS outside of arlington.

are you implying that he has had a significant mitigating factor that has caused him to transform from an excellent player at arlington to a below average 3b in every other park in baseball? does he not sleep well in hotels? do all of the other stadiums "batting eyes" in CF keep him from seeing the ball? is he so afraid of flying that he's a nervous wreck for days after each flight?

hoping blalock be a similar hitter in Comerica park to what he was in arlington is like hoping that vinny castilla could put up Coors numbers in Comerica. there's no factual reason to assume this-only wishful thinking.

Edman85

12-08-2005, 09:47 AM

Biggest misconception ever. Comerica is a good hitters park.

No it's not.

thewave84

12-08-2005, 10:09 AM

Zimm - I think there is something to be said for higher performance due to familiarity with your home. The home routine is different than the road-trip routine and somehow, someway it might be affecting him. Maybe his permance suffers when he doesn't sleep well, etc. Arlington might be the ideal park for Blalock's hitting style (who knows) but I have to believe that there are some other parks where he could approach those numbers if they were a part of his home routine.

zimm

12-08-2005, 10:24 AM

snoogit

12-08-2005, 10:27 AM

No it's not.

Thats why the Home Run Derby record was shattered there this year... If you can get a Power Hitting Lefty, chances are HR stats would go up considerably.

If Cleveland (whose full of lefties) were playing at Comerica instead of Jacobs, they probably would have won the Central.

bradleyca

12-08-2005, 11:04 AM

Don't forget, Blalock is also a free agent this upcoming offseason, so trading someone like a Humberto Sanchez or Jordan Tata over a guy like Verlander (with Inge and Robertson) may be more feasible. Rumor on the Texas board says that Showalter has been high on Robertson....this may have legs.

jadefalcon

12-08-2005, 02:35 PM

No it's not.

Yes it is. Just because it doesn't avg. 3 HR's a game doesn't mean that it's not a good hitters park. It is a great triples park and there is a ton of room for base hits to fall in and boost averages. Also, Blalock is a lefty, power, pull-hitter who would really excel with the short porch in right. I am also almost certainly sure that the right feild in Texas is pretty close to the right feild in Comerica. So almost all of the HR's that he hit out of Texas would have probably have gone out of Comerica. He also needs to draw more walks-our new hitting coach may be able to help him out in this respect.

Buddha

12-08-2005, 02:39 PM

Yes it is. Just because it doesn't avg. 3 HR's a game doesn't mean that it's not a good hitters park. It is a great triples park and there is a ton of room for base hits to fall in and boost averages. Also, Blalock is a lefty, power, pull-hitter who would really excel with the short porch in right. I am also almost certainly sure that the right feild in Texas is pretty close to the right feild in Comerica. So almost all of the HR's that he hit out of Texas would have probably have gone out of Comerica. He also needs to draw more walks-our new hitting coach may be able to help him out in this respect.

Ameriquest Field:

Left field: 334 ft.; left-center: 388 ft.; center field: 400 ft.; right-center deepest: 407 ft.; right-center: 381 ft.; right field: 325 ft.; backstop: 60 ft.; foul territory: small.

Comerica Park:

Left field: 345 feet (2000); left-center: 395 feet (2000), 370 feet (2003); center field: 420 feet (2000); right-center: 365 feet (2000); right field: 330 feet (2000); foul territory: small.

zimm

12-08-2005, 02:43 PM

Rumor on the Texas board says that Showalter has been high on Robertson....this may have legs.

i would love this if we were talking about Wilkerson instead of Blaock...

Big Toe

12-08-2005, 02:45 PM

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/discussion/weighted_park_factors_2003_2005/

According to this link, in Detroit it's:

92% as easy to score runs as average.

100% as easy to get hits as average.

82% as easy to get doubles as average. (Likely do to tons of triples, which they don't mention.)

86% as easy to hit homers as average.

98% as easy to draw walks as average.

98% as easy to get strikeouts or be struck out as average.

Looks very much like a pitchers park according to this.

Tigercub33

12-08-2005, 02:49 PM

i would love this if we were talking about Wilkerson instead of Blaock...

I second that motion!

Ron Burgandy

12-08-2005, 04:28 PM

Twins-Rangers talks have broken down...

http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051208&content_id=1279582&vkey=hotstove2005&fext=.jsp

zachcadillac

12-08-2005, 04:50 PM

Thats why the Home Run Derby record was shattered there this year... If you can get a Power Hitting Lefty, chances are HR stats would go up considerably.

You're right. Comerica is a hitters' park, when the pitcher is throwing 65, down the middle, with no movement.

Buddha

12-08-2005, 04:51 PM

You're right. Comerica is a hitters' park, when the pitcher is throwing 65, down the middle, with no movement.

And the balls are juiced.

eastside billee

12-08-2005, 04:55 PM

I want Blalock on the Tigers. Make whatever trade is necessary. Just don't touch Bonderman. I don't think DD is the kind of guy to make stupid trades.
I think Verlander and Inge for Blalock and ?? would be reasonable. I'd rather see it be Dmitri, Robertson and German for Blalock even up.

Jonesy

12-08-2005, 08:53 PM

First of all, For everyone that hammered me over Saying Verlanders name, I am not as High on the kid as you all are. I think he is an Arm Problem waiting to Happen. I also Think he would make a Better Reliever than a Starter.

Bottom Line is I do not want to go into next Season With Verlander AND Zum in the Rotation. One of them will be, Why Not trade one of them to get us better at a Position that is a weakness? ie. Power hitter, and Third Base

Hongbit

12-08-2005, 08:58 PM

I think that Hank is a nice player. That being said, he's one of the most overrated players in MLB. He's not the budding superstar that some make him out to be. His post all-star break numbers have been awful for his whole career.

Bondo

12-08-2005, 09:08 PM

Jonsey, why trade one of them just for the sake of trading them.

Every pitcher is an arm injury away.

Blalock is a tad overated, he could easily be had for Robertson/Inge/tata or sanchez type package.

He's better than sean burroughs, but alot of those third basemen from a few eyrs ago were extremely overated. Crede,Hinske,Burroguhs,Blalock.

Even Glaus to a degree because of his injuries.

Still I would love to have him, but not for a precieved top ten major league prospect, I'm glad your not running the organization. gesh.

If you were going to trade Verlander with your thinking, you would sell the hype and most likely would be able to get a established mlb star player, not a just above average 3rd basemen.